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Cannabis leaf discoloration *helped
    #21879989 - 06/30/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hello. This is my first time growing cannabis and I'm really enjoying it so far. I have 9 seedlings in 1 quart pots of happy frog soil. They've been under a 1200w LED (550w true) for about 1 week now. I kept 1 separate under fluorescents as a control. The LED plants have exploded in growth and are noticeably bushier than the one under fluoro's. Temps have been around 86F, sometimes up to 90 for a bit during the first few days. I saw some signs of heat stress but have raised the light a bit and they seem to be settling in. Today however, I started to notice speckles on some of the leaves. Also the first set of true leaves have some spots between the veins which I think is related to the heat stress.

Almost all the LED plants are showing spotting on first leaves, slight yellowing around edges, and light speckling + dark spots on newer leaves. The control plant isn't showing any of those symptoms.



I've looked at the picture guides for common cannabis problems and couldn't quite pin the cause. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Icon]
    #21880009 - 06/30/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

looks to me like early stage nitrogen deficiency. The veins are still dark green, in between is lightening. Maybe a slight phosphorus issue as well.

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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Icon]
    #21880014 - 06/30/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like maybe magnesium or phosphorus deff.
Also your soil looks pretty dry, and there is definitely signs of heat stress in those pics.

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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21880357 - 06/30/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the quick replies! I reviewed those deficiencies and will take them into consideration. I'm going to raise the light even more because I think these deficiencies could just be side effects of too much light + heat stress. The top half inch of soil is definitely dry but I just watered them yesterday and below is quite moist yet. I'll keep a close eye on them the next few days and update with progress.

Oh, I also haven't been testing my PH, do you think it could be a PH problem? I noticed some similarities in the research I just did. I've been watering them with tap water and this house has a water softener so they may be getting extra salty. I have a soil PH meter and will update once I know more about that too.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Icon]
    #21880388 - 06/30/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It would be nice to know what your water pH is and what nutrients you're using yes.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21882664 - 07/01/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I knew :frown: Can't afford the bottles to calibrate my pH pen. And my soil pH meter doesn't seem to be reading, or the soil pH is exactly the same as the meter's default - 7.0. I'm not feeding them any nutrients yet, but they've been in 1 quart Fox Farm Happy Frog soil for about 2 weeks now.

Here's how one of them look this morning :frown: the blotches have gotten larger and darker, in the middle of the 2nd set of true leaves. The serrated edges also have darkness.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Icon]
    #21882679 - 07/01/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is there nutrients in that soil? You should absolutely be feeding by now. Most growers I know including myself start feeding as soon as the first set of true leaves shows up.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21882734 - 07/01/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is there nutrients in that soil? You should absolutely be feeding by now. Most growers I know including myself start feeding as soon as the first set of true leaves shows up.



Just called them up and the rep said Happy Frog potting soil does have nutrients in it to last 2-3 weeks, then I'd want to start a feeding schedule. So I guess they could be getting hungry now with how hard the light is working them.


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    #21882750 - 07/01/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes start feeding! I recommend advanced nutrients, their Mother Earth tea and iguana juice lines are FUCKING EXCELLENT!! :heart:


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21882902 - 07/01/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, thank you again for your help and recommendations! I'll scrap some cash for nutes and pH balancing. Do you use those advanced nutrients in hydro or soil? Or does it not matter? And which should I use for vegetation, both iguana juice and mother earth tea?


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Icon]
    #21883580 - 07/01/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that's a phosphorus deficiency. It can be fixed real easy. Use quarter to half strength of recommended dose on bottle. You do not want to burn them worse.

Look for new growth to be healthy and green. Older growth will stay damaged.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21883600 - 07/01/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Get your ph to 6.2,  and don't over do the nutrients / food,  it will do more harm than good... Are you gonna be using pots/ soil,  ir hydro?


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    #21883624 - 07/01/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To ensure no bugs get in your room,  don't ever walk from outside, to directly back to your room, without changing your cloths and shoes....


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    #21883970 - 07/01/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mother Earth tea and iguana juice both come in vegetative and flowering formula. I think I prefer iguana juice but the Mother Earth is more common and slightly cheaper. They are both %100 organic and have a "pH perfect" guarantee so no matter your water source the pH will come out to around 6.0 after you add the nutrients. Means you don't need any pH testing equipment! It works with soil/soilless and hydro.

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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21883982 - 07/01/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also I have up to tripled the nutrient dose when using organics and never seen any nute burn. By week 2 im typically feeding full strength. Ready to flower at week 4-5 from seed. I'll never ever ever never again use synthetic nutrients after switching to organic.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21885006 - 07/01/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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that's a phosphorus deficiency. It can be fixed real easy. Use quarter to half strength of recommended dose on bottle. You do not want to burn them worse.

Look for new growth to be healthy and green. Older growth will stay damaged.




Thanks! I've heard the bottle recommendations can be overpowering. Definitely going to start quarter strength and work up.

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Ok, good tip, thanks! And I'm using happy frog potting soil. I'll work on lowering the pH.

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They are both %100 organic and have a "pH perfect" guarantee so no matter your water source the pH will come out to around 6.0 after you add the nutrients. By week 2 im typically feeding full strength. Ready to flower at week 4-5 from seed.




Sweet! That sounds completely amazing to flower at 5 weeks. Prob going to get the iguana juice, looks like my local shop is sold out of mother earth tea.


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    #21885033 - 07/01/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Please throw up a post on how you like the iguanna juice later on!! I fucking love that shit! So easy to work with.


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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21894886 - 07/03/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good job team! I watered them with 3ml / liter of the iguana juice last night and I could already see noticeable improvement today. The discoloring has stopped and has faded some, looking a lot less nasty than before. The new growth is pretty small still but looks healthy.

I have another question though. I watered them about 24 hours ago and now they look a little thirsty already again. Should I use the nutrients every time I water, even if that is every day?

I picked up the pots and they do feel much lighter than when I set them down last night. The plants are on their 6th node I think, and I have them in 1 quart pots. I noticed a few days ago that roots were already showing through the bottom holes of all the pots. Does this sound like a good time to transplant to a bigger pots?

If so, what would size pot would you recommend? My strain supposedly takes about 90 days to harvest and will be 3 feet tall so from what I've researched that's kind of between the 3 gal and 5 gal pot sizes. Another consideration is my space is 3x3 feet, how many plants should I do in 9 sq. ft.? It's actually 8 sqft because one corner square foot is taken up by a tower fan. I have 9 plants in the space now, but I'm not sure if I could fit nine 5-gal pots in there. So a few options I've been thinking of is maybe the 4 best plants in 5-gal pots, or 8 plants in 3-gal pots, 1 per sq. ft. But I'd really like some advice.


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    #21894974 - 07/03/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I wish I knew :frown: Can't afford the bottles to calibrate my pH pen. And my soil pH meter doesn't seem to be reading, or the soil pH is exactly the same as the meter's default - 7.0. I'm not feeding them any nutrients yet, but they've been in 1 quart Fox Farm Happy Frog soil for about 2 weeks now.

Here's how one of them look this morning :frown: the blotches have gotten larger and darker, in the middle of the 2nd set of true leaves. The serrated edges also have darkness.





Dude, I got ph 7 solution. Just shoot me a message and I'll send you some. You only need very little for a calibration.


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    #21896566 - 07/04/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Iguana juice FTW !!

I watered with that exact nutrient 2/3 waterings irregardless of whether or not I watered every day.
So my schedule essentially was: nutrients, nutrients, water. nutrients, nutrients, water. Repeat.
And I was watering everyday. Also I was using 4-6ml per litre. But work your way up and watch how the plants respond, don't go from 3ml nutrient to 6ml in one day lol.

In flowering it was common to feed with triple what the bottle says. I've done 3 high powered indoor grows with iguana juice and never once got nutrient toxicity from over feeding, which I did often hahaha!

As for pot size general rule is 1 gallon for every month the plant has been alive.
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Re: Cannabis leaf discoloration help [Re: Zombi3]
    #21896691 - 07/04/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First off nice plants,
I think its a nitrogen issue from pH block possibly, or could be just a deffeciency not related to pH. I'd hit them with a watering with cal-mag it does contain low nitrogen and is usually my go to for early stage issues. Hope that helps some, I like the short stalky plants.


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    #21896817 - 07/04/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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First off nice plants,
I think its a nitrogen issue from pH block possibly, or could be just a deffeciency not related to pH. I'd hit them with a watering with cal-mag it does contain low nitrogen and is usually my go to for early stage issues. Hope that helps some, I like the short stalky plants.




Thanks for taking a look! I'm in love with them.

And ofc thanks again Zombi3; very helpful! I also found suggestions of 1 plant per sq. ft., so looks like I'll go with eight plants in 3 gal pots for 3 months :smile:

I'll post more pics here soon or in a new log thread so you guys can follow along.


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    #21950000 - 07/15/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, anyone have time to take a look at these again?

They've been growing a lot, especially in the past 3 days since feeding them in their new pots. I watered 2 liters per plant, 3ml/liter Iguana Juice, 1.5ml/liter CalMag. I got some color strips to pH test and the solution appeared to be about 7.5. So I've gotten some ph-up/down for the next watering. But I'd like some help learning what the plants are trying to tell me here.

This one is directly under the light and looking more yellow overall than the others. The leaves are very narrow and some are cupping as if heat stressed. But the leaf temps are 75-80F and RH is 55%.



Some of the other plants have this yellowing between the veins on middle-tier fan leaves. There's also a small amount of brown spots or speckling, but that may have been there from before.



Here's a good image of probably the most severe yellowing on one of the plants. The veins are still green and very distinct. I think this has all appeared in the past 3 days.



Other than that they're looking very good in general. I topped them awhile ago and there are many branches in development. The internodes used to be about a centimeter, but have stretched to a little over an inch now. Going to veg for another couple weeks. Thanks very much for the help!


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    #21950574 - 07/16/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

still looks N deficient mixed with a little P deficiency too. The outside of the leafs and veins are still green, but they are yellowing from the inside out. If it is on older growth, its just a remnant from the last time. If it is new growth, you need to flush, then fert.

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    #22089463 - 08/13/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wanted to share an updated pic with anyone still following this thread. Iguana Juice ftw! I picked up a bloom bottle and flipped to flower a couple weeks ago.



I think my problem was the pH was too high, even with the "pH perfect" technology. I got some pH down and have been adjusting to 6.0, haven't had any problems since.


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    #22090043 - 08/14/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Holy hell lookin good!! I love that iguana juice it's hella good shit!!


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    #22090084 - 08/14/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lookin good, Icon
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Glad you've gotten your deficiencies all figured out.
I recommend getting some "Cal-mag+" for future reference..
Its used for the broad spectrum of plant deficiencies. Hasn't done me wrong yet. :thumbup:

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3 days ago..


Gotta go check on them after work today.

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    #22090152 - 08/14/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Daaamn those are looking good!

Yea I forgot to mention I'm also feeding them some GH CalMag and molasses. Got them in happy frog soil so I think that makes it an organic grow.


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    #22090436 - 08/14/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks horticulture, brother

Your buds are going to be hella tasty!!!!
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    #22090439 - 08/14/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How many plant's are you running?


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    #22090453 - 08/14/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm so excited for them! Eight plants, 1 per square foot with a fan in the corner square. Here's a pic of the layout while they were smaller:



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    #22090477 - 08/14/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is your bucket setup a "DWC" setup? I haven't researched the hydro methods much at all yet, kinda intimidates me. But I saw some pictures of roots growing in those and I think it would be really amazing to grow mimosa hostilis in that system. The roots have DMT and you could theoretically just harvest from them perpetually.


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    #22090736 - 08/14/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm so excited for them! Eight plants, 1 per square foot with a fan in the corner square. Here's a pic of the layout while they were smaller:






Beautiful!
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But to answer your question..
Yes, it is Deep Water Culture.
5Gallon buckets.
Currently using Fox Farms nute line..
w/ some Rhino Skin (potassium silicate) by Advanced Nutrients.

For flowering I plan on using FF solubles (Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, & Cha Ching) w/ some Bud candy by advanced nutrients.

I used those nutes on last years Girl Scout Cookies..
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    #22090780 - 08/14/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think Mimosa hostilis would do well in a hydro system.
Due to the fact that hydroponics require synthetic nutrients..

Organics has no place in hydro.. It'll just give you a ton of root rot.

I mean I guess one could experiment using synth's but I'm not too keen on how it would effect the plant after a 2 week flush prior to harvesting.. (in attempt to wash out all synth's/impurities)


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    #22411736 - 10/20/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey I wanna give you guys a final update of how it went with my first grow and the Iguana Juice. It went so amazingly that I wanna say thanks again for the support and I'd definitely recommend the Iguana Juice line of nutrients to anyone else thinking about a grow. I also gave them calmag and molasses. The pH perfect feature of Iguana Juice didn't seem to work for me so I started pH'ing manually and that solved all the other deficient nutes that were locked out.










I have enough quality bud to last me a year but now I miss taking care of the plants and am excited for another round.


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    #22412085 - 10/21/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Mmmm sticky green/purple plantation.

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