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Need some quick advice on substrate
    #21879853 - 06/30/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just mixed all my substrate together. I used 1 parts millet,rye,verm,and peat moss. half of the grain i ground up and half I left whole. I forgot to soak the grain before mixing it and im wondering if that is vital or not....also wondering how much water I am supposed to add to the substrate before pressure cooking it. I read that you are supposed to be able to only squeeze a couple drops of water from the substrate after its mixed properly...is this correct in this situation?

Thank you in advance for your help.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21879907 - 06/30/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Post a link to what tek you are using. I suspect some serious misunderstanding here.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21879937 - 06/30/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Post a link to what tek you are using. I suspect some serious misunderstanding here.




I don't have one. I'm using the mixture my friend used successfully for 6 years for substrate. All I'm doing is trying to prepare and sterilize it for innocculation...as far as I know that's not a specific "tek"....it's just what you are supposed to do.....


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21879961 - 06/30/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

May want to ask that friend then, because that sounds nothing like any recipe or technique ive seen around here.

Well, it sort of does, but in the "toss thanksgiving dinner in a blender" way. Normal method is:

0)Soak and boil grain to hydrate
1)Sterilize grain and inoculate with spores
2)Mix colonized grain with a pasteurized bulk substrate (most frequently coir and vemriculite) - Optional
3)Case with peat moss and vermiculite (50/50) to help induce fruiting - Optional

Your buddies method resembles tossing all those steps together and running full tilt. If it works, that is hilarious and awesome.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: matsc]
    #21879978 - 06/30/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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May want to ask that friend then, because that sounds nothing like any recipe or technique ive seen around here.

Well, it sort of does, but in the "toss thanksgiving dinner in a blender" way. Normal method is:

0)Soak and boil grain to hydrate
1)Sterilize grain and inoculate with spores
2)Mix colonized grain with a pasteurized bulk substrate (most frequently coir and vemriculite) - Optional
3)Case with peat moss and vermiculite (50/50) to help induce fruiting - Optional

Your buddies method resembles tossing all those steps together and running full tilt. If it works, that is hilarious and awesome.




None of what you said makes sense to me. I'm not spawning grain and mixing with bulk substrate. I am filling jars with substrate...pressure cooking them to sterilize...and then innoculating them inside the jars. Incubating..and then fruiting. Its no different from what I've already done except that I am making my own substrate mix instead of using presterilized jars that I bought online.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21880007 - 06/30/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I just mixed all my substrate together. I used 1 parts millet,rye,verm,and peat moss. half of the grain i ground up and half I left whole. I forgot to soak the grain before mixing it and im wondering if that is vital or not....also wondering how much water I am supposed to add to the substrate before pressure cooking it. I read that you are supposed to be able to only squeeze a couple drops of water from the substrate after its mixed properly...is this correct in this situation?

Thank you in advance for your help.



I would skip the peat moss and use coir next time

it would probably be best to hydrate the grain and hydrate then all of the coir(peat moss if you use that for some reason) and verm separate.

you want the grains to be at the right moisture content and the substrate like material to be at field capacity.

you might be able to calculate the hydration and just add water but I wouldn't ever do it like that. I would make the grain the right way and the other material to field capacity and load into jars then sterilize

it's like the muda bottle tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20591316/fpart/1/vc/1
and the updated one
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168958#21168958

bottle substrates like that work quite well these people are just close minded. listen to people with experience actually doing something similar.


these are rye and CVG (coir verm gypsum) and rye and coir and straw

bottle subs work great but hydrate your grain properly and field capacity your dirt and verm stuff then mix and load into jars and cook. I would do at least 2 hours at 15psi for a quart jar


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21880040 - 06/30/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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matsc said:
May want to ask that friend then, because that sounds nothing like any recipe or technique ive seen around here.

Well, it sort of does, but in the "toss thanksgiving dinner in a blender" way. Normal method is:

0)Soak and boil grain to hydrate
1)Sterilize grain and inoculate with spores
2)Mix colonized grain with a pasteurized bulk substrate (most frequently coir and vemriculite) - Optional
3)Case with peat moss and vermiculite (50/50) to help induce fruiting - Optional

Your buddies method resembles tossing all those steps together and running full tilt. If it works, that is hilarious and awesome.




None of what you said makes sense to me. I'm not spawning grain and mixing with bulk substrate. I am filling jars with substrate...pressure cooking them to sterilize...and then innoculating them inside the jars. Incubating..and then fruiting. Its no different from what I've already done except that I am making my own substrate mix instead of using presterilized jars that I bought online.
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AuoraBorealis said:
I just mixed all my substrate together. I used 1 parts millet,rye,verm,and peat moss. half of the grain i ground up and half I left whole. I forgot to soak the grain before mixing it and im wondering if that is vital or not....also wondering how much water I am supposed to add to the substrate before pressure cooking it. I read that you are supposed to be able to only squeeze a couple drops of water from the substrate after its mixed properly...is this correct in this situation?

Thank you in advance for your help.



I would skip the peat moss and use coir next time

it would probably be best to hydrate the grain and hydrate then all of the coir(peat moss if you use that for some reason) and verm separate.

you want the grains to be at the right moisture content and the substrate like material to be at field capacity.

you might be able to calculate the hydration and just add water but I wouldn't ever do it like that. I would make the grain the right way and the other material to field capacity and load into jars then sterilize

it's like the muda bottle tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20591316/fpart/1/vc/1
and the updated one
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168958#21168958

bottle substrates like that work quite well these people are just close minded. listen to people with experience actually doing something similar.


these are rye and CVG (coir verm gypsum) and rye and coir and straw

bottle subs work great but hydrate your grain properly and field capacity your dirt and verm stuff then mix and load into jars and cook. I would do at least 2 hours at 15psi for a quart jar




Well the problem is I already mixed everything. If what you said is true I'm thinking my best bet is to soak it all overnight and then make sure that there is not too much moisture before I pressure cook it. It may not be ideal but I Honestly don't see why it matters at this point. I'll just remember for next time


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21880056 - 06/30/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

do your best to judge. it's dumb not to have a notebook and keep track of things like dry weight and wet weight if you want to do things like that. I do things the right way and do them individually and mindfully to make sure it's done properly so I do each by eye and judgement rather than by weights and measures since ingredients change and so do other factors. best bet though is go with what you think the right moisture content is and then sterilize away.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21880057 - 06/30/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

These are what the jars I have colonized now look like. I am casing these. I am going to colonize my homemade substrate and do the same thing.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21880073 - 06/30/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well either way I'll be learning something. Thank you for the advice.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21880086 - 06/30/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

probably be A ok


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21880117 - 06/30/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what are you using to inoculate?


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: Rubestoad]
    #21880131 - 06/30/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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what are you using to inoculate?




Spore syringes


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21880153 - 06/30/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that will work just takes forever


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21880168 - 06/30/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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that will work just takes forever




I am only doing it because I have 2 extra spore syringes left. My next setup that I will be starting in another week will be different. I have a colonized spawn bag that I will be using to quickly inoculate more jars.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: matsc]
    #21888621 - 07/02/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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May want to ask that friend then, because that sounds nothing like any recipe or technique ive seen around here.

Well, it sort of does, but in the "toss thanksgiving dinner in a blender" way. Normal method is:

0)Soak and boil grain to hydrate
1)Sterilize grain and inoculate with spores
2)Mix colonized grain with a pasteurized bulk substrate (most frequently coir and vemriculite) - Optional
3)Case with peat moss and vermiculite (50/50) to help induce fruiting - Optional

Your buddies method resembles tossing all those steps together and running full tilt. If it works, that is hilarious and awesome.




I just winged it. I later talked with my friend and he said that's exactly what he always did with success. Put all the ingredients together...add water to the right consistency and then pressure cook.


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Re: Need some quick advice on substrate [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #21888692 - 07/02/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Huh, cool. Wacky hybrid all-in-one recipe hooray. If it works, it works, and in the end that's all that really matters. :grin:


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