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Personal ecosystem
    #21879645 - 06/30/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey all, I saw this thread where someone mentioned trying a living terrarium where you put live plants and maybe a pet into the same cage to make your own little environment. my plan is to get a tree frog or two and setting up a little ecosystem for them with lots of plants to climb around on. however any such animal needs no ventilation. so my question is if I made this with a little space blocked off for mushrooms and buried a substrate would the plants give enough FAE for fruiting??? my plan was to follow this plan for an ecosystem - http://homeguides.sfgate.com/build-tropical-terrarium-74203.html I saw the top layer is perlite/verm/peat moss that would be an excellent casing layer wouldn't it?


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21879654 - 06/30/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: JvF]
    #21880575 - 06/30/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

another Q are there any small plants I can put in here that like high humidity that will give me some fruits or maybe some aya vine along with an emerald skink? havn't read too much about their habitat but I know they like to have a trunk base to climb on. I have a tall cabinet thing that would be perfect


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21894189 - 07/03/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bump. I'll just start with plants and fungi


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21895069 - 07/03/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hate it nobody jumped in here with any help. I've never researched or attempted anything like this myself, so I'm no help either. If you end up trying this out, be sure to post some pics and observations so we can all learn from your experiment. :thumbup:


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21895077 - 07/03/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know people have posted about their terrarium set ups here in the past. I can't remember who it was, but I'm sure searching this forum will turn up some results. I don't know much about this.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: karode13]
    #21895100 - 07/03/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i found one thread that actually gave me the idea. haven't found anything else. I will definitely try after I get what I was looking for though. I haven't gotten grow #1 under my belt


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21895171 - 07/04/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it was Hookahead that brought this up last but I can't remember much about it "Through all the riddles and attempted insane poetry" but I do remember he somewhat gave up on a lot of his original ideas toward the end.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: spaceman101]
    #21896138 - 07/04/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

after I get me some fruits I will start working on this, looking up growth parameters of each species and see how far those boundaries could stretch. my theory is if lion's mane (a CO2 intolerant species) has enough gas exchange with the other plants to grow well, then cubensis should have no problem growing in that environment. is that a sound idea?


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21896279 - 07/04/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ive given this a bit of thought in the shower/while driving and i doubt this is what youre talking about, but i thought this would be cool/do-able

Get a terrarium, put dirt/coir on the bottom, about 10 inches.

Dig all the way on the bottom build a housing made of a few quart jars or something similar and fill with both mature crickets and cricket eggs. Inside, place a large amount of cricket food that doesnt expire.(this can also be substituted with flys and maggots, or another type of insect) Then, leave a small tunnel for the occasional few to escape to the sutface

ABOVE the dirt/coir, place a reptile or amphibian. This might work for tree frogs, lizards, etc. They will eat the stray crickets(i know crickets like to centralize in one area)

IN the dirt/coir, plant plants. Not sure what kind  but it will help with the co2 buildup. Plus it would be cool to have a live forest for our lizardy friends.

The problems i see are that there would be too many crickets/they would reproduce at a high rate, too high to be eaten.

Another problem is water. Not sure how the crickets would remain hydrated


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: JvF]
    #21896442 - 07/04/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like your thinking, maybe have a little separate chamber for the crickets where you can maintain water for them, then have tubes going to multiple lizard cages. I think I'm going to start with plants and fungi because I'm worried that an animal will add too much co2 and the mushrooms won't like it. but if things go well I will try this. probably block off a section so the mushies don't get ruined.
Mainly, just incorporate the cricket method into multiple lizard cages so they can be kept up with. if I still have too many crickets I'll start feeding my friend's bearded dragons


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21928948 - 07/11/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In my experience keeping caged critters, creating an ecosystem is problematic especially if you consider fungi growth. Animals are easily affected by molds that grow from living plants. Unless you can control the environment on a microscopic level, your coir will attract mites, your fungi will propagate mold, and your frog will die. You would need ventilation, flowing water, isolated feed dishes, etc. it's all very complicated when working with an enclosed space. The only reason life exists so seamlessly in the wild is because there are environmental factors and maintenance organisms. Sounds cool but requires a lot of consideration first.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: Pseudo-Tim]
    #21929484 - 07/11/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the info, I plan on excluding the animal from the experiment at first. it shouldn't be nearly as bad with just plant and fungal growth right?


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21931742 - 07/12/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you can provide sufficient lighting and moisture and you maintained cleanliness, I couldn't see why it wouldn't work. The inclusion of an animal is possible but it just requires a lot of meticulous care. You aren't caring for one living organism, your caring for three in the same environment. You have to make sure all species can coexist.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: Pseudo-Tim]
    #21932596 - 07/12/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh yea for sure. I was planning on doing TONS of research to make sure I picked really good ecopartners that help each other out. but I'm worried about an animal adding too much CO2 to the mix


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21933307 - 07/12/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shrooms will add a ton of co2. But, if you get an aquarium with a screen, the gas will escape.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: Pseudo-Tim]
    #21933683 - 07/12/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that is why i wanted to add plants


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21933922 - 07/12/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Those 2 organisms should kind of cancel each others outputs out.


Sounds like a wonderful plan but if your gonna want to grow mushies in there as well you might want to find some plants that enjoy water alot.


You know those mushies don't need to dry out:grin:


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: spaceman101]
    #21935078 - 07/12/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:headbanger:


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21935691 - 07/13/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are multiple types of ecosystems, I'm sure you or someone you know already have one in your home in the guise of a fish aquarium! Live plants for gas exchange, fish for nutrients, sucker fish to clean the sides of the tanks, the snails to eat the excess fish waste!

Fish aquariums are incredibly useful for indoor gardens. The water is rich in nutrients that plants can use fairly quickly, and it's all natural!


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    #21936417 - 07/13/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have an epiphytic vivarium, /terratium. that I have some Wittia amazonica, and some Epiphyllum, and some Rhipsalis species inside. I also scattered some Blossfeldia liliputana seed in it too. the lava rock substrate has some native moss and all the soil bacterias fungus etc, that came from the outdoor rock. My container has been going strong for over 6 months now, with no signs of failure. :tongue2:









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    #21936454 - 07/13/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I do want to add something about frogs.  I used to keep reptiles and amphibians. The OP- Tryptkloids, asked about putting frogs into a vivarium setting or paludarium. This kind of environment is very difficult to maintain, and I wish you luck with it. The main problem I might forsee, would be keeping up the humidity, while at the same time monitoring your (frogs), so that they do not suffer from various infections. Frog species can get various kinds of bacterial,viral, and fungal infections. Good luck with your project. I wish you the best of luck.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21936540 - 07/13/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the reason I said tree frog is because I was looking at animals that need 95% humidity. as long as they thrive in the same temp and humidity as the mushrooms they should be good right?


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21938156 - 07/13/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You could also get a tank and make glass dividers for different parts of the ecosystem. Mushroom grow in one compartment, plants in another. If you can, any drainage water floods into the "pond" water for the frog. Divided but accessible.


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: Pseudo-Tim]
    #21940963 - 07/14/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, while that is true, Trypt. .. amphibians do like very high humidity, as do fungus.. some kinds of fungi can be harmful, cause disease, and even be fatal to some frogs.

Here is the Wiki link to: (Chytrididomycosis) the fungal disease that kills frogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chytridiomycosis

I just urge caution.. especially if you plan on spending good money on a frog species, and or various kinds of plants and mushroom species. I just don't want to see you try it, and end up spending a bunch of money on it, if it fails.

There are some articles you could read on Paludariums, that I saw and read that you might want to take a look at..

http://www.paludariums.net/

the planted tank -(forum), has a thread on species for Paludariums

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27008

My biggest concern, would be for the welfare of the animal life, that you would put in the environment. When I had Tokay geckos, I had them in an enclosure that was 6'tall, x 4'wide, x 3'back. . . it was like the size of a wardrobe. Anyway, I had a vivarium environment in it for the Geckos, with plants. Cleaning and maintanance are a pain. Lizards defecate EVERYWHERE!! lol. . they can be MESSY. That is another concern. The maintanance of the environment. I was forever wiping white streaks off the glass.

Also keep in mind. . that if you have arrow-frogs..there is the (handling issue, as they excrete a toxin on their skin), as well.

good luck, and keep us posted on how things progress. :wink:


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: spaceman101]
    #21941284 - 07/14/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Those 2 organisms should kind of cancel each others outputs out.


Sounds like a wonderful plan but if your gonna want to grow mushies in there as well you might want to find some plants that enjoy water alot.


You know those mushies don't need to dry out:grin:




I was going to mention that. Starting first with mushies in there, ud have to find what plants would be acceptable to those conditions. For instance if you tried to grow cannabis in there with the mushrooms it wouldn't work, ur bud would end up moldy etc etc ya know? I hope you can make this work id love to start my own if we could get a thread on it outlining the whole process. Good luck -kushroom


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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: kushroom]
    #21941431 - 07/14/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm waiting until I have a grow under my belt first but I will definately start soon and keep you guys updated


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