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tryptkaloids
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#21879645 - 06/30/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey all, I saw this thread where someone mentioned trying a living terrarium where you put live plants and maybe a pet into the same cage to make your own little environment. my plan is to get a tree frog or two and setting up a little ecosystem for them with lots of plants to climb around on. however any such animal needs no ventilation. so my question is if I made this with a little space blocked off for mushrooms and buried a substrate would the plants give enough FAE for fruiting??? my plan was to follow this plan for an ecosystem - http://homeguides.sfgate.com/build-tropical-terrarium-74203.html I saw the top layer is perlite/verm/peat moss that would be an excellent casing layer wouldn't it?
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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: JvF]
#21880575 - 06/30/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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another Q are there any small plants I can put in here that like high humidity that will give me some fruits or maybe some aya vine along with an emerald skink? havn't read too much about their habitat but I know they like to have a trunk base to climb on. I have a tall cabinet thing that would be perfect
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Bump. I'll just start with plants and fungi
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I hate it nobody jumped in here with any help. I've never researched or attempted anything like this myself, so I'm no help either. If you end up trying this out, be sure to post some pics and observations so we can all learn from your experiment.
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I know people have posted about their terrarium set ups here in the past. I can't remember who it was, but I'm sure searching this forum will turn up some results. I don't know much about this.
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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: karode13]
#21895100 - 07/03/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i found one thread that actually gave me the idea. haven't found anything else. I will definitely try after I get what I was looking for though. I haven't gotten grow #1 under my belt
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I think it was Hookahead that brought this up last but I can't remember much about it "Through all the riddles and attempted insane poetry" but I do remember he somewhat gave up on a lot of his original ideas toward the end.
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after I get me some fruits I will start working on this, looking up growth parameters of each species and see how far those boundaries could stretch. my theory is if lion's mane (a CO2 intolerant species) has enough gas exchange with the other plants to grow well, then cubensis should have no problem growing in that environment. is that a sound idea?
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Ive given this a bit of thought in the shower/while driving and i doubt this is what youre talking about, but i thought this would be cool/do-able
Get a terrarium, put dirt/coir on the bottom, about 10 inches.
Dig all the way on the bottom build a housing made of a few quart jars or something similar and fill with both mature crickets and cricket eggs. Inside, place a large amount of cricket food that doesnt expire.(this can also be substituted with flys and maggots, or another type of insect) Then, leave a small tunnel for the occasional few to escape to the sutface
ABOVE the dirt/coir, place a reptile or amphibian. This might work for tree frogs, lizards, etc. They will eat the stray crickets(i know crickets like to centralize in one area)
IN the dirt/coir, plant plants. Not sure what kind but it will help with the co2 buildup. Plus it would be cool to have a live forest for our lizardy friends.
The problems i see are that there would be too many crickets/they would reproduce at a high rate, too high to be eaten.
Another problem is water. Not sure how the crickets would remain hydrated
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Re: Personal ecosystem [Re: JvF]
#21896442 - 07/04/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like your thinking, maybe have a little separate chamber for the crickets where you can maintain water for them, then have tubes going to multiple lizard cages. I think I'm going to start with plants and fungi because I'm worried that an animal will add too much co2 and the mushrooms won't like it. but if things go well I will try this. probably block off a section so the mushies don't get ruined. Mainly, just incorporate the cricket method into multiple lizard cages so they can be kept up with. if I still have too many crickets I'll start feeding my friend's bearded dragons
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In my experience keeping caged critters, creating an ecosystem is problematic especially if you consider fungi growth. Animals are easily affected by molds that grow from living plants. Unless you can control the environment on a microscopic level, your coir will attract mites, your fungi will propagate mold, and your frog will die. You would need ventilation, flowing water, isolated feed dishes, etc. it's all very complicated when working with an enclosed space. The only reason life exists so seamlessly in the wild is because there are environmental factors and maintenance organisms. Sounds cool but requires a lot of consideration first.
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Thanks for the info, I plan on excluding the animal from the experiment at first. it shouldn't be nearly as bad with just plant and fungal growth right?
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If you can provide sufficient lighting and moisture and you maintained cleanliness, I couldn't see why it wouldn't work. The inclusion of an animal is possible but it just requires a lot of meticulous care. You aren't caring for one living organism, your caring for three in the same environment. You have to make sure all species can coexist.
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oh yea for sure. I was planning on doing TONS of research to make sure I picked really good ecopartners that help each other out. but I'm worried about an animal adding too much CO2 to the mix
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Shrooms will add a ton of co2. But, if you get an aquarium with a screen, the gas will escape.
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that is why i wanted to add plants
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Those 2 organisms should kind of cancel each others outputs out.
Sounds like a wonderful plan but if your gonna want to grow mushies in there as well you might want to find some plants that enjoy water alot.
You know those mushies don't need to dry out
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There are multiple types of ecosystems, I'm sure you or someone you know already have one in your home in the guise of a fish aquarium! Live plants for gas exchange, fish for nutrients, sucker fish to clean the sides of the tanks, the snails to eat the excess fish waste!
Fish aquariums are incredibly useful for indoor gardens. The water is rich in nutrients that plants can use fairly quickly, and it's all natural!
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