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Achillita
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Mushrooms are Safer than Water 1
#21879223 - 06/30/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, So if you didn't know, mushrooms are physically safer for you then water. The LD50 of water is actually lower than psilocybin. I'm a bout to head out, but when I get back, I'll post the science and sources and whatnot behind my claim.
I made this thread mainly because every once and a while, people(noobs mostly) will be scared of any physical dangers from using psychedelics. I figured out a little bit ago that it's actually safer than drinking water. So maybe it'll help a few noobs out.
Feel free to comment or voice opinions. See ya in a bit guys!
Here is the reasons why psilocybin is safer to water, with sources.
The LD50(dose it'd take for 50% chance of dieing) for water is 90 ml/kg.(Source) Since 1 ml of water weighs 1 gram, I'll be using grams as I can compare it to the weight of psilocybin.
Psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, has an LD50 of 280 mg/kg(Source) according to erowid(which is very credible). These LD50s are both on rats, which is very comparable to humans.
If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 grams, A little over 6 liters of water. At the same time, it'd take 19,600 mg of pure psilocybin to have a 50% chance of dieing.
Now, pure psilocybin is pretty hard to extract. It's actually easier to synthesise it. So if we add the extra weight of the actual mushrooms(dried of course), it goes drastically up. The average amount of psilocybin in P. Cubensis mushrooms is about 1%. If each gram has 10 mg of psilocybin, that means it'd take 1,960 grams of mushrooms. Almost 2 Kilograms, your stomach would burst before you ever even reached that amount.
Mushrooms are physically safer for you than Water.
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Edited by Achillita (07/01/15 12:54 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21879238 - 06/30/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep. I think you would burst your stomach before you could consume enough mushrooms to poison your self.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21879244 - 06/30/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
#21879285 - 06/30/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
Yep but someone always seems to bring it up. I guess toxicity is the only measurement of safety 
Cars must be super toxic since so many people die using them! 
Like another poster once said in these silly threads comparing the LD50 of water to drugs, "eat 100g of water, then eat 100g of cubes and tell us which you think is safer."
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21879321 - 06/30/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive heard if mushrooms being safer than milk.. Buttt water?? Fuckk mee.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21879330 - 06/30/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course mental instability is a possible side effect, and usually caused from a deeper problem in the psyche. Whenever mental health problems are brought up by using psychedelics, it is almost always pre-existing but underlying. Suicide usually falls into this category.
But physically, mushrooms are safer than even water.
crap I was gonna go into the LD50 of both, but I gots to go.
And even considering the possibility of suicide on mushrooms, the death toll from water overdose is surprisingly high. I'll go into more detail in a bit.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita] 1
#21879351 - 06/30/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think this hasn't been discussed before in the 12 years I've been a member here.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman] 4
#21879367 - 06/30/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Soo eating a shit storm of fresh shooms would kill you from the water content first.
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Do you think this hasn't been discussed before in the 12 years I've been a member here
Fo real! Or by every damn chemistry/med undergrad and drug "activist" on the planet.
Psilocybin containing mushrooms are far more dangerous than water.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21880200 - 06/30/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course it's been talked about, but I've been seeing quite a few noobs around here worrying about the possibility of them overdosing on mushrooms or other psychedelics. And if there are noobs asking the question, then there are probably tons of lurkers wondering it aswell, so I thought I'd make a post.
Anyways, I'll be quoting data from reputable sources to back my claims.
The LD50(dose it'd take for 50% chance of dieing) for water is 90 ml/kg.(Source) Since 1 ml of water weighs 1 mg, I'll be using milligrams as I can compare it to the weight of psilocybin.
Psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, has an LD50 of 280 mg/kg(Source) according to erowid(which is very credible). These LD50s are both on rats, which is very comparable to humans.
If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 mg, A little over 6 liters of water. At the same time, it'd take 19,600 mg of pure psilocybin to have a 50% chance of dieing.
Now, pure psilocybin is pretty hard to extract. It's actually easier to synthesise it. So if we add the extra weight of the actual mushrooms(dried of course), it goes drastically up. The average amount of psilocybin in P. Cubensis mushrooms is about 1%. If each gram has 10 mg of psilocybin, that means it'd take 1,960 grams of mushrooms. Almost 2 Kilograms, your stomach would burst before you ever even reached that amount.
Psilocybin is actually less toxic than water is. I also updated the OP.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21880236 - 06/30/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought the LD50 was the amount it took for half of the rats to die, not "50% chance of dying"
someone correct me if im wrong
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21880241 - 06/30/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That sounds like the same thing. 50% of the rats died. So 50% chance you'd die if you took a dose equal to the amount the rat took compared to body weight. I guess anyway haha
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Yeah, 50% of the test subjects died at this dose. Since you can't really pick which one was on what side, You have a 50% chance of it being lethal.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21880461 - 06/30/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol water kills alot of people. Never seen people drown in shrooms. Water killz.
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Never seen people drown in shrooms.
You have obviously never been to portland oregon
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21880553 - 06/30/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so when water, i give mushroom?
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21880643 - 06/30/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I thought the LD50 was the amount it took for half of the rats to die, not "50% chance of dying"
someone correct me if im wrong
That is correct.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: BayerPhi]
#21880869 - 06/30/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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when you start getting into the 20 gram range of cubensis it seems the physiological load on your brain and body can start to be pretty rough. it seems like seizures and other traumatic bodily events become far more likely when you start eating that much. I've read a lot of trip reports where people consume that much and overheat/pass out and occasionally straight up seize. the effect on your mental state from driving yourself that far off the deep end seems like it can also be quite dangerous long term. the argument that physical overdose is the only real worry is a bit silly
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21880883 - 06/30/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
#21881417 - 07/01/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
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nicechrisman said: So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
This is not the point man you can die from drinking to much water, it is damn near physically impossible to eat that many mushrooms to die period plain and simple. Not every one eats mushrooms but most people drink water and there have been many casualties. Not the same can be said about mushrooms from over consumption.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21881670 - 07/01/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Physically they are safer than water, psychologically they are not.
Many people are not prepared for the effects of psilocybin or the experience of ego death. They often begin off instinct instead of thought and are filled with paranoia because they don't know what they are experiencing.
The biggest danger of magic mushrooms is a lack of knowledge of effect and low self awareness.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: sudly] 1
#21881718 - 07/01/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sudly said: Physically they are safer than water, psychologically they are not.
Many people are not prepared for the effects of psilocybin or the experience of ego death. They often begin off instinct instead of thought and are filled with paranoia because they don't know what they are experiencing.
The biggest danger of magic mushrooms is a lack of knowledge of effect and low self awareness.
"Physically they are safer than water, psychologically they are not" This I agree with
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There's only been like 2 deaths attributed to psilocin, and in one of them the women just had heart surgergy a few days prior....
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_death.shtml
Every case seems pretty murky to me, I'm of the oppinion that psilocin can not kill a human, and the evidence is actually on my side of this debate, regardless if psilocin was blamed in these cases...
I think the "saftey" argument only applies in politics, the real issue is no human or government has the right to tell you what plants you can and can not consume.
These arguements are great for pointing out the hypocrissy of drug policy that was meant to "protect us from ourselves" but doesn't hold much wieght in other areas of the debate...
After watching the film "supper high me" most would come to the conclusion that 30 days of non-stop marijuana is safer than 30 days of non-stop mcdonalds, yet if you make the statement "marijuana is safer than mcdonalds" even on shroomery you will be met with heavy backlash...
The truth is all the classic psychedelics are physically benign, the risks are psychological, these are the facts. Now, does anybody have the right to tell you that you cant make an educated decision and take these risks? That's the real issue here...
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yea maybe physical death like an organ failure, but i think obviously more death can be attributed to psilocin .must atleast have 1000 freaked out suicide in history of shroom minimum. hell even I freaked out on shroom once. it even gave me some kind of PTSD for a lil while .
can driking water give you PTSD? 
im totally against the drug war tho, like anybody who has comon sense. and agree shroom is probably one of the safest drug ever
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Yeah, they distinguish death from the compound and death from behaviors on the compound.
Behavioral deaths shouldn't be included in a debate on pharmocological saftey, because in reality it was the persons poor decisions that lead to their death, not the actions of psilocin on their body.
I cant justify behavioral deaths, they are bound to happen, again, I still think its your choice to decide if your fit to take psychedelics or not, and if something negative happens no one is to blame except the person who consumed the compound, its easy to blame the compounds, its harder for people to take personal responsibility for their choices.
There are psychological risks, knowing this, you should act accordingly, be in a safe place, have a sober sitter, etc....if you fail to do these things and get hurt its your own fault. ....where as if a compound poisons you, that's 100% out of your control, and speaks to the true "saftey" of the compound.
People get drunk and hurt themselves and others every day, yet we deal with it in terms of personal responsibility, I think alcohol causes more behavioral deaths than any psychedelic, yet we learn to deal with it....
I'm not going to get into the drug war, but trust me, its working exactly as it was designed to, all the people who have interest in these compounds being contraband are cashing in big, the CIA, the DEA, all drug dealers...if Congress wont fund a dangerous radical foreign army who is fighting our enemys, the CIA will sell drugs (cocaine and herion predominantly), to fund them....but that's a whole other discussion....
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I've never personally seen a life ruined from psychedelic use. I've seen and experienced temporary psychosis but everyone I know has recovered.
Alcohol on the other hand I've seen play a part in a number of suicide attempts as well as long term addictive behavior with associated issues. Both physically and psychologically I find it a far more dangerous substance.
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nicechrisman said: I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
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nicechrisman said: So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
This is not the point man you can die from drinking to much water, it is damn near physically impossible to eat that many mushrooms to die period plain and simple. Not every one eats mushrooms but most people drink water and there have been many casualties. Not the same can be said about mushrooms from over consumption.
100% of people who drink water die. 100% of people who take mushrooms die.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#21882007 - 07/01/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: 100% of people who drink water die. 100% of people who take mushrooms die.
This isn't true. I drink water and eat mushrooms. Not dead
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Good luck with that
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
#21882031 - 07/01/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everybody dies..
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
#21882040 - 07/01/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you're missing the point, hes talking about ld50 not staying hydrated. Mushrooms will not keep you hydrated.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Toadstool5]
#21882266 - 07/01/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
Yep but someone always seems to bring it up. I guess toxicity is the only measurement of safety 
Cars must be super toxic since so many people die using them! 
Like another poster once said in these silly threads comparing the LD50 of water to drugs, "eat 100g of water, then eat 100g of cubes and tell us which you think is safer." 
.......lmfao...
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i think fresh mushrooms are only 8% safer than water
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paperbackwriter said: I've never personally seen a life ruined from psychedelic use. I've seen and experienced temporary psychosis but everyone I know has recovered.
Alcohol on the other hand I've seen play a part in a number of suicide attempts as well as long term addictive behavior with associated issues. Both physically and psychologically I find it a far more dangerous substance.
I completley argree about your statements regarding psychedelics, in my personal experience any psychosis was temporary, and eventually the person reached baseline. Though I do have some PTSD like symptoms induced by high dose DMT and psilocin trips, just recalling these experiances causes ones hairs to stand on end, the hands shake, the mind recoils in horror at the recollections and trys to advert to any other line of thought....though at the same time these were the most meaningful and transformitive experiances of my life, and the lasting positive effects far out weigh the slight PTSD like effects induced by the experiance, being born is a trauma, dying is a trauma, and genuine break-through psychedelic experiances can be traumatic, it does not necessarily mean they are negative....
Psychedelics are the coincidentia oppistorum, they are a union of opposites...I'm always reminded of the quntum principles that allow mag-lev trains to work, when they supper cool a magenet it is able to both attract and repel at the same time (you know how if you take a two magnets on one side they stick on the other they push away from one another? When supper cooled they are doing both at the same time) allowing the train to Hoover above the tracks, but not be pushed off of them entirely (when things are super-cooled they also become super-conductive, buts that's another discussion) so this quantum principle of being two opposite things at the same time is what reminds me of the psychedelic experiance, it was the most amazing, beautiful, enlightening, transcendent experiance of my life, while at the same time ive never been more disoriented, scared, horrorfied, etc...at the same time, the psychedelic experiance is "heaven and hell", its quantum in that its every opposite universially simultaneously, while we are used to things being one or the other, black or white, in the psychedelic experiance things are one and the other, black and white, and so on....
I got way off track....
Ive used the classic psychedelics all numerous times, enough to have experianced the full range of effects good and bad of each individual compound, and though I have had what some would call "bad-trips" where I was horrified, in a panic, in what I thought was a psychological fight for my existance (when your in these States your confronted with the true nature of mind, you realize that inner space is just as big as outter space and that the key to life and death lays within the mind itself, but this is another discussion as well) but in the end I learned more about myself, existance, the nature of life and death and the nature of mind from these experiances, its the difficult experiances that seem to have had the longest lasting effect, which has been positive aside from the PTSD like response induce when recalling some of the difficult experiances (I came out of all these difficult experiances with and new love and appreciation for life, and the stability of existing in a body in 3 dimentional space and time)
These are not experiances that should be taken lightly though, generally I'm all for the ken kesey tradition of fun, laughter, and so on, and these compounds can be great for opening up that side of people that just want to show love to one another, appreciate the beauty in life and over all have fun, but there also is a deep spiritual (for lack of a better word) side to these things, where you can be thrown through the door which the dead pass daily, and be confronted with some of the most serious issues one can confront, such as ones own death, the meaning of ones life, the truth behind the nature of existance in the time and space you happen to be in, and how your time there is not permanent, it confirms the notion that the physical body and conscious-self are in fact two seperate things that are very closely intertwined (like lichen, lichens are sn algea and a fungi, they needed an electron microscope to see this, it was assumed to be a single entity before that point) and that when your physical body dies (or through entheogens, near death experiance, etc...) your conscious being continues on in these other dimentions....
Getting off track again, well, before I wrote all this I smoked a decent ammount of hash, which should explain this post....I'm going to go eat some cocoa-pebbles and take a nap....
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
#21882600 - 07/01/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 mg, A little over 6 liters of water.
So 6 grams of water is 6 liters of water?
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Again these satatements like "mushrooms are safer then water" are perfect for pointing out how absurd it is to make laws to "protect us from ourselves" and how hypocritical it is to out-law these things on the grounds that we may "hurt ourselves with them" when just about anything can be just as dangerous, or in the case of psychedelics, more dangerous than an out-lawed substance under proper circumstances.....these statements are great for pointing out how hypocritical and absurd the arguement that our benevolent government is simply trying to protect us is, but don't hold much wieght in other areas of the debate....
The classic psychedelics (mescaline, psilocybe fungi, DMT preperations, marijuana) have been in use by man for thousands of years, these compounds are physically benign, your at no risk of death from ingesting these compounds, now, this doesn't mean we have the right to abuse these things, but we should have the right to use them, humans having been using them for more of their existence than they have been out-lawing them, and honestly, no person or government should be able to tell you what plants you can and can not consume, as a free individual you should be able to alter your consciousness if you choose to do so.....
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: s240779]
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Achillita said: If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 mg, A little over 6 liters of water.
So 6 grams of water is 6 liters of water? 
Oops I meant to type grams, not Milligrams. I'll fix that.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
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OK, so that's 225 ounces of water. You're saying that a person can consume 225 ounces of psilocybin powder and not die? This thread is just ridiculous. Water is certainly safer than psilocybin by weight.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said: OK, so that's 225 ounces of water. You're saying that a person can consume 225 ounces of psilocybin powder and not die? This thread is just ridiculous. Water is certainly safer than psilocybin by weight.
I think it was refering to consuming psilocin in the form of fungal cataphores, and not as a pure compound, in which case if you figure the LD50 of psilocin by the psiloc(yb)in content of the dry wieght of the mushrooms, your left with an unconsumable ammount of mushrooms, your stomach wouldn't be able to hold the mushrooms, ergo you can not eat the amount of psilocybe cataphores required to reach the LD50, where as with water, there have been cases (generally in probation officies regarding UA's so the person drinks a ridiculous ammount of water in a short ammount of time) where people have become very ill and even hospititslized due to water intoxication,....
I'm not sure this is a thread that was meant to be taken super seriously, though out of any available drugs id would have to say that psilocin and mescaline are amoung the safest known to man, with the longest histories of human use, we can look at tribal cultures that are still using these compounds today and have been for thousands of years, and we don't see high rates of still births, genetic mutations, high rates of mental illness, high rates of early death in adults, we don't see anything to indicate genetic or chromosome damage long term, and we don't see any evidence of health problems in the people currently using these compounds, and modern science and pharmocology confirms this, tor example: As senior LSD researcher Dr. David Nichols, Distinguished Chair of Pharmacology at Purdue University and head of one of the world's top LSD research labs, stated in his 2004 review article on hallucinogens, "There is no evidence that any of the hallucinogens, even the very powerful semisynthetic LSD, causes damage to any human body organ. [...] Hallucinogens do not cause life-threatening changes in cardiovascular, renal, or hepatic function because they have little or no affinity for the biological receptors and targets that mediate vital vegetative functions...(-erowid)
If your going to put a compound into your body, the classic psychedelics are the best choice, all the classics are either tryptamines or phenethylamines, just as your higher neurotransmitters are tryptamines (serotonin, meletonin, pinoline (pinoline is also a beta-carboline, but can be considered a tryptamine) or phenethylamines (dopeamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine) your body reconizes these compounds and has built in pathways to neutralize the compounds without any damage to any part of the body being caused, its no coincidence that DMT is endogenous and when taken alone is neutralized within 15 minutes, its because your body says "ah, I know this molecule, and I know what to do with it"
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Changing the topic, a bit, I don't believe it's correct to denote psilocin as the representative chemical of mushrooms, as I've seen you do multiple times, E.B. All the scientific literature I've even seen represents psilocybin as the main chemical in mushrooms. I've caught wind of studies done using psilocybin and indeed it is psilocybin that is used in the studies. This would appear to be because A) psilocybin is the final product of biosynthesis of the mushrooms and B) psilocin is unusually unstable, thusly it's not really in line with any other psychoactives as it will just be gone after a while unless kept in special conditions.

Agurrel, S. and J.L.G. Nilsson. 1968. Biosynthesis of Psilocybin: Part II. Incorporation of Labelled Tryptamine Derivatives. Acta Chemica Scandinavica 22(4): 1210–1218. DOWNLOAD See page 1217.
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The methanolic extracts could be stored in a freezer at -5C for over 1 year with little change, although storage at room temperature led to complete loss of psilocin and some loss of psilocybin within a few months.
Beug, M. W. & Bigwood, J. 1981. Quantitative Analysis of Psilocybin and Psilocin in Psilicybe Baeocystis (Singer and Smith) by High-Performance Liquid Chromatography and by Thin-Layer Chromatography. Journal of Chromatography, Vol. 207, No. 3, pp. 379-385 DOWNLOAD Cf. 'Results'
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said: Changing the topic, a bit, I don't believe it's correct to denote psilocin as the representative chemical of mushrooms, as I've seen you do multiple times, E.B. All the scientific literature I've even seen represents psilocybin as the main chemical in mushrooms. I've caught wind of studies done using psilocybin and indeed it is psilocybin that is used in the studies. This would appear to be because A) psilocybin is the final product of biosynthesis of the mushrooms and B) psilocin is unusually unstable, thusly it's not really in line with any other psychoactives as it will just be gone after a while unless kept in special conditions.

Agurrel, S. and J.L.G. Nilsson. 1968. Biosynthesis of Psilocybin: Part II. Incorporation of Labelled Tryptamine Derivatives. Acta Chemica Scandinavica 22(4): 1210–1218. DOWNLOAD See page 1217.
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The methanolic extracts could be stored in a freezer at -5C for over 1 year with little change, although storage at room temperature led to complete loss of psilocin and some loss of psilocybin within a few months.
Beug, M. W. & Bigwood, J. 1981. Quantitative Analysis of Psilocybin and Psilocin in Psilicybe Baeocystis (Singer and Smith) by High-Performance Liquid Chromatography and by Thin-Layer Chromatography. Journal of Chromatography, Vol. 207, No. 3, pp. 379-385 DOWNLOAD Cf. 'Results'
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: s240779]
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Achillita said: If you weigh 70 kilograms(which is about 150 pounds), The LD50 dose for drinking water would be 6,300 mg, A little over 6 liters of water.
So 6 grams of water is 6 liters of water? 
"For water, the oral LD50 is greater than 90 mL/kg. In this particular case, it means that they failed to reach a dose of water that killed half their rats, and are calculating based on the highest dose that they were able to give to rats. That means, that if you give a rat 90 mL of water/kg of rat into their stomach, less than 50% of them will die. If you translate this into a human (where the numbers won't be exactly the same, but will be fairly similar), you can give a little over 6L of water to a 150 lb human before 50% of them will die (6 L is about 1.5 gallons). Or around 13.5 lbs of water. That's a lot of water."
From this credible source here: http://conspiracyfactory.blogspot.com/2007/05/everything-is-toxic.html
EDIT: Ooops! Wrong interpretation of Da2ra the Explorer .
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Eh, kind of a dumb claim in my opinion. Plus you have to remember mushrooms dont ONLY contain psilocybin, I'm sure a excess of some of the other 1000's (Correct me if its less) of chemicals could have more adverse side effects than simple water.
Tremors and more active tendon reflexes along with the mental and/or feelings of coldness/hotness certainly make water more desirable than a hefty dose of shrooms and by my book that makes water safer.
You do have a point on the fact water overdoes is much more likely than mushrooms overdose(impossible) but lets not boast information that they are safer than the most essential thing to life.... c'mon
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: enjoi-more]
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This thread is pretty cool. The OP suggests that we live in a dangerous universe where most things would and could kill us outside of a very specific set of circumstances. I really appreciate that life is so fragile and it makes me realize how often people take it for granted by placing themselves outside of those circumstances.
Shrooms give us a chance to really appreciate life and reach spiritual growth. Because they are powerful I consider them to be sacred and even though they are relatively non-toxic, they can be really dangerous when misused. Just remember that without water, you are without shrooms. Everything's connected man.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: enjoi-more]
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I feel like there are two kinds of "safe" being discussed here.
In most arguments, it's best to leave out outlier situations, as the end result of the discussion is meant to be a general statement, so my attempt at this discussion will be under the assumption that we are talking about normal recreational use of mushrooms (ie; 19 year old kid eating shrooms with his friends in lower doses, and higher doses alone in his bed on a regular to semi-regular basis.)
ANYWAY, In one camp, you're arguing that mushrooms are "safer" than water because chemically they will not be able to kill you eaten as mushrooms themselves before other non-specific causes of death are far more likely (stomach bursting). In this sense, yeah, psilocybin mushrooms are safer than water. Simply put, you can't die from the action of mushrooms and mushrooms alone by eating them, while you can from drinking enough water.
In the other camp, you're stating that you need to take into account that because of the state mushrooms put you in, you are far more vulnerable to mental harm (PTSD, anxiety, delusions, paranoia, lasting drug-related psychosis, HPPD) than anything water could do to you. In this sense, mushrooms can be considered exceptionally more dangerous than water.
Everyone's right here. Mushrooms are safer and also more dangerous than water. In my opinion though, the argument shouldn't be about whether one substance is more dangerous than another, it should be about the free man's right to ingest whatever it is they damn well please. I've personally never SEEN mushrooms cause a violent incident, psychosis, seizures, sexual assault, social disruptions, depression, or lead to suicidal behavior, and I cannot say the same about heavy use of alcohol.
So the real question is; why are psychedelics banned from use and possesion and demonized while alcohol has commercials on television?
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Ihateyou]
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said: So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
This is not the point man you can die from drinking to much water, it is damn near physically impossible to eat that many mushrooms to die period plain and simple. Not every one eats mushrooms but most people drink water and there have been many casualties. Not the same can be said about mushrooms from over consumption.
100% of people who drink water die. 100% of people who take mushrooms die.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said: So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
This is not the point man you can die from drinking to much water, it is damn near physically impossible to eat that many mushrooms to die period plain and simple. Not every one eats mushrooms but most people drink water and there have been many casualties. Not the same can be said about mushrooms from over consumption.
100% of people who drink water die. 100% of people who take mushrooms die.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said: Changing the topic, a bit, I don't believe it's correct to denote psilocin as the representative chemical of mushrooms, as I've seen you do multiple times, E.B. All the scientific literature I've even seen represents psilocybin as the main chemical in mushrooms. I've caught wind of studies done using psilocybin and indeed it is psilocybin that is used in the studies. This would appear to be because A) psilocybin is the final product of biosynthesis of the mushrooms and B) psilocin is unusually unstable, thusly it's not really in line with any other psychoactives as it will just be gone after a while unless kept in special conditions.

Agurrel, S. and J.L.G. Nilsson. 1968. Biosynthesis of Psilocybin: Part II. Incorporation of Labelled Tryptamine Derivatives. Acta Chemica Scandinavica 22(4): 1210–1218. DOWNLOAD See page 1217.
Stability info:
The methanolic extracts could be stored in a freezer at -5C for over 1 year with little change, although storage at room temperature led to complete loss of psilocin and some loss of psilocybin within a few months.
Beug, M. W. & Bigwood, J. 1981. Quantitative Analysis of Psilocybin and Psilocin in Psilicybe Baeocystis (Singer and Smith) by High-Performance Liquid Chromatography and by Thin-Layer Chromatography. Journal of Chromatography, Vol. 207, No. 3, pp. 379-385 DOWNLOAD Cf. 'Results'
That picture you loaded skipped a steps in the biosynthetic pathway for DMT...
First via AADC (amino acid decarboxylsde) tryptophan is decarboxylated to tryptamine, then the tryptamine via INMT (indole-amine-methyl-transferase) and SAM (s-adenosyl-meyhionine) which is converted to SAH (s-adensoyl-homocystine) is converted to N-methyl-tryptamine (NMT) then via the same process (INMT/SAM TO SAH) the NMT is converted to N,N-dimethyltryptamine.
As for psilocybin, are you making reference to the fact the psilocybin is NOT active, its a pro-drug, meaning its metabolized into the active compound (psilocin)...
Or that 4-po-NMT and 4-ho-NMT exist alongside side psiloc(yb)in?
Im not sure I understood what you were trying to say...
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Am I missing most of the picture you posted? Is it suposed to enlarge when you click on it?
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I use psilocin as the representive chemical because it is the active compound, psilocybin is inactive (pro-drug) so ill use "psilocin" more often when speaking about these mushrooms...
But I'm on a tablet, and may be missing a good chunck of your post. (I'm not sure I understood what you were pointing out with the biosynthetic pathway of psilocin...)
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When you look at the fact that psilocin is just a stage in the biosynthesis of the final product of psilocybin and when you look at the fact that psilocin decomposes quickly when outside of a freezer, it just seems improper to represent psilocin as the chemical essence of mushrooms. And someone in the Chemistry forum pointed out that that biosynthesis info I posted is outdated (his post is copied below), however psilocin still precedes psilocybin in the mushroom biosynthesis of psilocybin going by the updated information he provided.
And for those wondering if there's a synergy in the combination of psilocybin and psilocin, read Albert Hofmann's account of his giving curandera, Maria Sabina psilocybin pills: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20234319
As we took leave of María Sabina and her clan at the crack of dawn, the curandera said that the pills had the same power as the mushrooms, that there was no difference.
By the way, see if viewing the image in isolation gives you the option to resize it. And see if the bottom of the post contains a scroll bar...
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WillSolvem said: N,N-Dimethyltryptamine has never been found in any mushroom anywhere, once N,N-Dimethyltryptamine-hydrogen-oxalate was found but only in trace amounts.
The synthesis pathway found in psiloc(yb)in containing mushrooms is as follows:
L Tryptophan

Decorboxylation of L Tryptophan produces Tryptamine
Tryptamine

Oxidation on the 4th position of tryptamine produces 4-hydroxytryptamine
4-hydroxytryptamine

Enzymatic methylation of 4-hydroxytryptamine produces 4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine (4-hydroxy NMT)
4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine

A second enzymatic methylation of the now 4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine produces 4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (4-HO-N,N,DMT) commonly known as psilocin
4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (psilocin)

Enzymatic phosphorylation of psilocin produces a phosphate ester of 4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine commonly called psilocybin
4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine phosphate ester (psilocybin)

This biosynthesis shows why every psilocybin mushrooms will contain 4-hydroxytryptamine, 4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine, and (nor)baeocystin but never any N,N-Dimethyltryptamine without a hydroxyl attached.
Source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21454460#21454460
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: s240779]
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Yeah, I suppose that makes sense, its definantly accurate.
strangely enough 4-phosphorloxy-N-methyl-tryptamine exists in psilocybe fungi as well. its known as baeocystin. Why the fungi would apply the phosphorloxy end point to 4-ho-nmt is bizzare...
I only consider psilocin the essence of the mushroom because psilocybin is not active its a pro-drug, meaning it must he metabolized in vivo into the active compound, which is psilocin, so sense psilocybin has no psychological effects, I consider psilocin to be the true essence of the mushroom.
Psilocybe fungi will 4-hydroxylate and 4-phosphoralate any tryptamine which they are presented, jochen gartz described inocculating the psilocybe mycelliums substrate with n-methyl-n-ethyl-trptamine (MET) and observing the compound 4-hydroxy-n-methyl-n-ethyl-tryptamine being produced by the fruited cataphores. As well as 4-po-MET...he did this with several tryptamine compounds, most of which were incredibly difficult to produce in the lab. I love researching the biisynthetic pathways of tryptamine compounds, weather its humans converting tryptophsn into serotonin which in converted to meletonin /n the pineal body, the pineal body also produces pinoline, which is 6-methoxy-tetrahydro-beta-carboline, a compound very similar to the harmala alkaloids in ayahuasca brews, DMT is endogenously produced, though it has not been confirmed where the DMT is being produced. These mushrooms are producing compounds that mimic our higher neurotransmitters, /n similar manor as well...so its always fascinated me...
Ive always found it bizzare that the fungi seems to Intentionally protect its active compound by taking the extra effort to convert the active psilocin into its more stable pro-drug. Psilocin is fairly unstable in its pure form, however while inside the cataphore it remains fairly protected from degradation. Psilocybin is for sure the more stable compound, its as if the mushroom wanted to ensure that the compounds they were producing would remain stable long enough for a mammal to consume them, these compounds are not tertiary, they are nit waste. products and they are not poisons, these mushrooms put the majority of their metabolic energy into producing psilocybin (and every step in between tryptophan to psilocybin)
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A good deal of the post got messed up, chuncks were deleted, typos, etc...
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Okay sorry I haven't been on this post, I've been quite busy recently.
Yeah some of the info was wrong because I mis labeled, and then that caused myself to miscalculate. The point of the post was never for water being safer than psilocybin, but the active mushrooms.
I quite enjoyed reading many of your responses. Also, I know that water is very safe, You need water to live! But I was pointing out that physically, it is impossible to consume enough mushrooms to die from.
Mentally however, is a whole other story. Super high doses of mushrooms can cause a scarring mental reaction, but you're not going to die directly from mushrooms.
And I didn't even mention the that people drown in water all the time 
But know your dose, and you should be fine consuming mushrooms. But even if you munched down until you were full, you wouldn't be able to OD.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
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mate, what about cannabis / paracetamol ?
taking more than 4 paracetamol at once damages the liver, taking at least I would say 6,7,8 or more at once and you have liver failure.... yet this shit is the common pain killer? what the fuck , are we living in post medieval times?
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: pineapple3]
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Mushrooms are actually safer than marijuana physically. The LD50 is somewhere between 50-80 mg/kg I know you'd have to smoke 15 grams of medically quality weed to reach that. About 3 grams of pure THC. But you have to do it within 15 minutes. You'd probably pass out long before that would ever happen though.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
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Cannabis is generally benign.
Daily Mcdonalds is worse for you than regular cannabis use.
Anytime you combust a hydrocarbon it can be carcinogenic, so smoking anything is not healthy, but eating THC in reasonable ammounts shouldn't damage the body.
I guess it comes to responsibility, if you put an outrageous ammount of a substance in your body it can cause damage, but when used properly cannabis should be benign.
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nicechrisman said: I've never heard of anyone taking their life because they freaked out from taking water.
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nicechrisman said: So you're telling me OP that you would be more comfortable giving your grandmother a fat dose of mushrooms than a glass of water? Did you know that you will die if you don't drink water? Has anyone ever died from NOT eating mushrooms?
This is not the point man you can die from drinking to much water, it is damn near physically impossible to eat that many mushrooms to die period plain and simple. Not every one eats mushrooms but most people drink water and there have been many casualties. Not the same can be said about mushrooms from over consumption.
100% of people who drink water die. 100% of people who take mushrooms die.
This statement makes sense if you have down syndrome.
You must be at least partially retarded if this doesn't make sense to you.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: nicechrisman]
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It's redundent to say that 100% of people who drink water die, or to say 100% of people who use mushrooms die. Everything dies, people know this. It's the same as if I say 100% of people who drink water were living, and 100% of people who use mushrooms are alive.
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It's also redundant to make posts about things that have been discussed 100s of times on the Shroomery. Just sayin.
Why don't you make your next post about how unfair it is that the government stifles our psychedelic exploration by making psychedelics illegal?
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Daily Mcdonalds is worse for you than regular cannabis use.
Anytime you combust a hydrocarbon it can be carcinogenic, so smoking anything is not healthy, but eating THC in reasonable ammounts shouldn't damage the body.
I guess it comes to responsibility, if you put an outrageous ammount of a substance in your body it can cause damage, but when used properly cannabis should be benign.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Ihateyou]
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Water is one of the most dangerous things out there, and it has nothing to do with the LD50.
You can be boiled, you can drowned, you can dry up without it. A flood can destroy everything you have. You can have water on the brain. If you are unable to drain your bladder it can damage your kidneys. Mushrooms carry none of those dangers.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Universe]
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last time i checked water doesnt significantly increase your heart rate, possibly leading to a cardiac event in someone with a preexisting condition. this thread is bullshit
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Marijuana usually increases your heart rate more than mushrooms can. There has been only a handful(if that) of deaths that are even close to being caused by magic mushrooms.
I looked it up, erowid only has 2 confirmed deaths. One of a seizure(the person had a history of epilepsy) and a person who had a heart attack. That same person had a heart transplant 10 years before. They were smoking marijuana at the time as well, which is honestly another thing which could have caused the heart attack.
But not once have I said that mushrooms do not have dangers. But chances are, they are safer than 90% of the things you do on a daily basis. You're far more likely to die every time you get in your car and drive than you are from magic mushrooms.
The only real danger for using magic mushrooms is eating misidentified mushrooms and then being poisoned. And even that is freaking rare.
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Mushrooms are Safer than Water
Water is one of the most dangerous things out there, and it has nothing to do with the LD50.
You can be boiled, you can drowned, you can dry up without it. A flood can destroy everything you have. You can have water on the brain. If you are unable to drain your bladder it can damage your kidneys. Mushrooms carry none of those dangers.
Mushrooms are 90% percent water so they carry 90% of those dangers.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
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water is digestible, chitin in mushrooms is not. for instance, if someone with g.i. issues were to consume a large amount of an indigestible material, it could lead to life-threatening complications such as an intestinal blockage.
by "mushrooms" im assuming you are referencing all psilocybin mushrooms. a majority of these are wood-loving fungi which can be a little different from your regular cubensis. they will absorb and concentrate any and all toxins existing in their habitat. i believe a girl in europe died from eating p. cyanesence due to these potential toxins, there was a recorded death.
this thread is really the opposite of harm reduction, instead of addressing potential dangers and problems you are simply ignoring them and implying that others should do the same.
thats like if someone whos never tripped before made a thread asking if he should lemon tek an ounce for his first time, instead of even suggesting there might be a possible problem, just saying "ya bro they're safer then water have fun"
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I'm not saying that they don't have dangers. And because they are physically safer than water doesn't change the extreme effects they have mentally and emotionally. This thread was not made to say you can do however many mushrooms you want and have good time.
The thing is, physically they are safe. And there was a death for a small girl in 1962, from eating mushrooms that were later identified as P cyanescens. But she died 3 days after in the hospital. Most likely from poisonous gallerinas that can grow right next to cyans and not the cyans themselves. Plus she was a small child!
That being said cyans can contain toxins depending on the wood they grow in, but most cases notice nothing more than some temporary facial paralysis. So we have 3 deaths possibly from the ingestion of magic mushrooms, out of millions upon millions of times mushrooms have been used.
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Re: Mushrooms are Safer than Water [Re: Achillita]
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https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_death.shtml
Mushroom death (erowid)
All of these cases are murky.
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