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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879893 - 06/30/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: "Since the original monument was erected in 2012, several other groups have asked to put up their own monuments on the Capitol grounds. Among them is a group that wants to erect a 7-foot-tall statue that depicts Satan as Baphomet, a goat-headed figure with horns, wings and a long beard. A Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group, and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster also have made requests."
3 years and still haven't gotten approval, that guy who passed his own bill through is sure taking a long time to let other people do it.
probably because he has more money. which means more lobbying power.
welcome to capitalism
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Shins] 1
#21879948 - 06/30/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: seperation of church and state doesn't mean what many people think.
I think there is a general consensus of what the phrase implies and people that agree with it.
The way I used it was not to say 'it is law and needs to be followed', but that 'IMO there should be no relationship whatsoever between religion and government'.
I mean, did you all just assume anyone who agrees with the idea of 'separation of church and state' thinks it is written in the constitution?
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Shins]
#21880019 - 06/30/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sksoul said: Separation of church and state
"Seperation of church and state" is not in the constitution anywhere. The phrase came from a letter written by one of the founding fathers.
However the constitution does forbid the federal government from "establishment of religion"
what that means is that the government cannot have an official religion, or exclude other religions to favor just one. It also means that any and all religions could be involved in government, just as long as the government doesn't pick just one to establish as the state government.
seperation of church and state doesn't mean what many people think.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Shins]
#21880082 - 06/30/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: As far as I'm conncerned, banning anything religious from government means that the government has then established atheism as its official religion.
Atheistic Communism, libs should check out mao and stalin if they like atheistic Communism
I know exactly what Mao and Stalin did, they didn't do it in the name of atheism, they did bad things, and happened to be atheist. Hitler was never denounced from the Roman Catholic church and even if he happened to be atheist, 2/3 of his foot soldiers, the ones that actually did the horrible things, were either lutheran or catholic, and wore "god with us" on their belts.
Atheism had nothing to do with what they did, beliefs on the other hand, have been the exact reason why people committed terrible atrocities, in the name of their religion, and there is no convincing someone who thinks they are doing gods work that what they're doing is wrong, they might of turned out to be psychopaths if they didn't have religion as an excuse for all I know, that isn't the point. They didn't do those acts in the name of atheism, and atheism doesn't equate to communism.
Our government, is by definition a secular government, secular means "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis."...I would very much like our government to be as far from religion as possible.
There were even many very influential people who were deist which is a god does not intervene or interact with humans in any way and works through natural laws. Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Albert Einstein, and a large majority of the founding fathers who wrote these laws and made this country so great were largely influenced by deism and believed in little supernatural claims in judeo-christian traditions.
We've been a secular government, I just want it to stay that way and make sure it's enforced to the best of its ability. I'm also not an atheist if that was directed at me.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21880110 - 06/30/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OP,not trying do bait, but are you saying "deism" is different than religion? or am i misinterpreting that?
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
#21880124 - 06/30/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It could be considered a religion if that's what you're getting at, but basically can't be compared.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21880152 - 06/30/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21880204 - 06/30/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i like alot of what you have to say. after a little looking, there does seem to be a distinction between deism and traditional religion.
i agree with you on most of this, i just think that if they are going to remove one reference to religion, they should remove them all
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