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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
    #21879685 - 06/30/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Does it still say "In God We Trust" on US currency?




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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
    #21879690 - 06/30/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Separation of church and state




Actually, while there should be, there is no mention of "Separation of church and state" in the Constitution.

What it says is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

In plain English... Congress can't start, endorse, stop or tamper with religion. As the Constitution is a document expressly designed to limit the power of the federal government, the states should be free to do as they wish.

"Separation of church and state" is a moronic reading of the Constitution by a moronic Supreme Court bench who legislated on the fly.




Yea, I guess I'm somewhat religious... I just think it is supposed to be personal and intrinsic in nature. Makes no difference to me whether they keep it or not. Does it still say "In God We Trust" on US currency?




Doesn't say which god.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879697 - 06/30/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it doesn't matter which god it is.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adden] * 1
    #21879706 - 06/30/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you agree that it should or disagree and why or why not? I personally disagree solely because it is a government building and a violation of separation of church and state IMO, and in a country where we have freedom of religion, one religion should not be favored publicly by the government.

What are your thoughts on the matter? Discuss Intelligently.




It's a piece of religious history and also a piece of art. It could be The Madonna and make no difference to me as far as removing it. It's where America comes from and is one of the few values, morals, respect institutions that exist. I fully support church and state, but a piece of art and history is something that belongs there. Removing it would make us deny who we are as Americans as a whole. It's part of the main faith that Americans have been subscribing to since it's inception. Leave it alone.




That's a fair argument.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
    #21879709 - 06/30/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love coin collecting and the history behind it.. I think the In God We Trust thing is interesting.

Here's some Knowledge is Power if anyone's up for a cool read about history.

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In God We Trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1889 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.[1][2] Secularists have expressed objections to its use, and have sought to have the religious reference removed from the currency.[3]

"In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864[4] and has appeared on paper currency since 1957. A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956 declared IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. This motto was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957






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, the 84th Congress passed a joint resolution "declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States." The law was signed by President Eisenhower on July 30, 1956, and the motto was progressively added to paper money over a period from 1957 to 1966.




And yeah it's still on our money.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
    #21879711 - 06/30/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it doesn't matter which god it is.




it does, every religion believes in god, just god doesn't put any one above any others, and the government isn't publicly putting one religion over others.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul] * 1
    #21879717 - 06/30/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Separation of church and state





"Seperation of church and state" is not in the constitution anywhere.  The phrase came from a letter written by one of the founding fathers.

However the constitution does forbid the federal government from "establishment of religion"

what that means is that the government cannot have an official religion,  or exclude other religions to favor just one.  It also means that any and all religions could be involved in government,  just as long as the government doesn't pick just one to establish as the state government.

seperation of church and state doesn't mean what many people think.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879724 - 06/30/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it doesn't matter which god it is.




it does, every religion believes in god, just god doesn't put any one above any others, and the government isn't publicly putting one religion over others.





the very concept of a 'god' itself puts others above you.

the essential definition of god is "A Supreme Being"

which puts him above me.


"I demand any and all references to god within the public domain be removed"

^notice how retarded that sounds?


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
    #21879736 - 06/30/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mean, it doesn't put the christian god above the hindu god, it doesn't put the hindu god above the christian god, of course god would be above us and the supreme being......but it's just "god"....they aren't publicly placing one religion above all other religions just by using the word god. Where the ten commandments is undoubtedly Christian, and favoring one above any others.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Shins]
    #21879762 - 06/30/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Separation of church and state





"Seperation of church and state" is not in the constitution anywhere.  The phrase came from a letter written by one of the founding fathers.

However the constitution does forbid the federal government from "establishment of religion"

what that means is that the government cannot have an official religion,  or exclude other religions to favor just one.  It also means that any and all religions could be involved in government,  just as long as the government doesn't pick just one to establish as the state government.

seperation of church and state doesn't mean what many people think.




God finally thank you.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879765 - 06/30/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As far as I'm conncerned, banning anything religious from government means that the government has then established atheism as its official religion.


Atheistic Communism, libs should check out mao and stalin if they like atheistic Communism


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879768 - 06/30/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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they aren't publicly placing one religion above all other religions just by using the word god. Where the ten commandments is undoubtedly Christian, and favoring one above any others.






It just doesnt matter if there is no specific 'god' they are they are referring to.

the very concept of god implies religion. it doesnt matter which one.

and by oregons standards, that concept needs to be wiped away.



If non-christians have the right to remove a piece of art because it contains the 10 commandments, atheists have every right to remove any reference of any god, of any kind, from public domain

you know, like north korea.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Shins]
    #21879773 - 06/30/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The people in office can be whatever religion they want to be, and they can let its morals guide them into doing what they think is right for all I care, but I don't think they should be favoring one religion publicly over any other one, because we have freedom of religion in this country and all of them should be respected equally.

They can even go on tv and say they love Jesus, but we shouldn't decorate government property making it look like we have a christian government, we have a secular government.


Edited by SirShroomsAlott (06/30/15 07:40 PM)


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
    #21879787 - 06/30/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rolleyes:

It seems our society is getting more tolerant yet dumber every day. Making it so fucking complicated when it's not. Let people be people. Fucking Christ.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
    #21879806 - 06/30/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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they aren't publicly placing one religion above all other religions just by using the word god. Where the ten commandments is undoubtedly Christian, and favoring one above any others.






It just doesnt matter if there is no specific 'god' they are they are referring to.

the very concept of god implies religion. it doesnt matter which one.

and by oregons standards, that concept needs to be wiped away.



If non-christians have the right to remove a piece of art because it contains the 10 commandments, atheists have every right to remove any reference of any god, of any kind, from public domain

you know, like north korea.




It matters alot, it does not refer to religion just by referencing god, Thomas Jefferson for example, was a deist, not a theist, god is just a creator, a supreme being, usually coupled with the belief he doesn't really give a shit about the daily lives of humans, not a personal god.

Calling it art is just semantics, it is on state property favoring one religion over another, they can have it on any property they want, a church right nex to the road, out front of their houses, who cares. That is the only thing I disagree with, is government property only depicting one religion and no others. Especially when the man who funded it also passed the bill allowing it to be constructed, he is using his own power to favor his own religion on government property.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879828 - 06/30/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It matters alot, it does not refer to religion just referencing god, Thomas Jefferson for example, was a deist, not a theist, god is just a creator, a supreme being, usually coupled with the belief he doesn't really give a shit about the daily lives of humans, not a personal god.





:youseethisshit:

god = religion. i'm sorry, but this is just a fact.


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Calling it art is just semantics, it is on state property favoring one religion over another, they can have it on any property they want, a church right nex to the road, out front of their houses, who cares. That is the only thing I disagree with, is government property only depicting one religion and no others.




it's not semantics.

it's not favoring any religion over another, either.

It's just sitting there. you dont even have to look at it


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Especially when the man who funded it also passed the bill allowing it to be constructed, he is using his own power to favor his own religion on government property.





it seems like all he wants is the ability to speak freely

he spent his own money on that statue



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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
    #21879845 - 06/30/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I disagree, I think there's a god, and that's the only thought I give it, because that is the only thing I think I can know about the subject, and that to me isn't a religion in any way, shape, or form. Then why don't they let the Hindu leader or the satanist put up their statues? It's art and they just want to speak freely....oh wait, that's only allowed for Christian's on government property, that's the problem.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879847 - 06/30/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
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SirShroomsAlott said:
they aren't publicly placing one religion above all other religions just by using the word god. Where the ten commandments is undoubtedly Christian, and favoring one above any others.






It just doesnt matter if there is no specific 'god' they are they are referring to.

the very concept of god implies religion. it doesnt matter which one.

and by oregons standards, that concept needs to be wiped away.



If non-christians have the right to remove a piece of art because it contains the 10 commandments, atheists have every right to remove any reference of any god, of any kind, from public domain

you know, like north korea.




It matters alot, it does not refer to religion just by referencing god, Thomas Jefferson for example, was a deist, not a theist, god is just a creator, a supreme being, usually coupled with the belief he doesn't really give a shit about the daily lives of humans, not a personal god.

Calling it art is just semantics, it is on state property favoring one religion over another, they can have it on any property they want, a church right nex to the road, out front of their houses, who cares. That is the only thing I disagree with, is government property only depicting one religion and no others. Especially when the man who funded it also passed the bill allowing it to be constructed, he is using his own power to favor his own religion on government property.




You make a good argument I agree. But also who cares? Is it nice? Is there a picture of it? Is it carved on a statue of a dick? That's offensive. But how much money does the state have to pay to move it.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21879862 - 06/30/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well I disagree, I think there's a god, and that's the only thought I give it, because that is the only thing I think I can know about the subject, and that to me isn't a religion in any way, shape, or form. Then why don't they let the Hindu leader or the satanist put up their statues? It's art and they just want to speak freely....oh wait, that's only allowed for Christian's on government property, that's the problem.





if they were willing to pay enough, they would be allowed.


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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
    #21879877 - 06/30/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"Since the original monument was erected in 2012, several other groups have asked to put up their own monuments on the Capitol grounds. Among them is a group that wants to erect a 7-foot-tall statue that depicts Satan as Baphomet, a goat-headed figure with horns, wings and a long beard. A Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group, and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster also have made requests."

3 years and still haven't gotten approval, that guy who passed his own bill through is sure taking a long time to let other people do it.


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