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Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol
#21879138 - 06/30/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.koco.com/news/10-commandments-statue-must-be-removed-from-state-capitol-oklahoma-supreme-court-rules/33849476
Do you agree that it should or disagree and why or why not? I personally disagree solely because it is a government building and a violation of separation of church and state IMO, and in a country where we have freedom of religion, one religion should not be favored publicly by the government.
What are your thoughts on the matter? Discuss Intelligently.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879177 - 06/30/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its a nice monument, as long as they just relocate it and dont destroy it who cares where its sitting.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Zombi3]
#21879211 - 06/30/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Since then, others have asked for space, including a Nevada Hindu leader, animal rights advocates, the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and a group pushing for a Satan statue."
Why should one be okay, and the others not? I agree that it should just be relocated and not destroyed, but disagree with putting it on any public or state owned property, which in the article they mention that they are attempting to amend the constitution in order to make that statue acceptable where it is while also calling for impeachment of the people who voted for it to be removed, which IMO is a problem.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879218 - 06/30/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Separation of church and state
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
#21879226 - 06/30/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sksoul said: Separation of church and state
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul] 1
#21879230 - 06/30/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
#21879239 - 06/30/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If they wouldn't allow monuments of other faiths, including the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then it should be removed.
Something tells me the only one that would be allowed to stay is the Ten Commandments.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
#21879240 - 06/30/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bullshit. it should stay, unless the school administrators vote to have it removed themselves. the gov't shouldnt have to be involved
its just a statue. what is so wrong with having a reminder to be a good person?
just a bunch of butthurt people who hate christians
also, has anyone ever heard of Prague? if they started enforcing rules like this, the entire city would have to be demolished
Edited by Adolin (06/30/15 05:31 PM)
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
#21879266 - 06/30/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Czech Republic doesn't have the same constitution as the USA, it is on government property and a government should not favor one religion over any other.
America was founded on laws like this, they believed in the freedom of religion, and came here to escape religious persecution(and other reasons of course), if it was on private property such as someones house, no problem, but state property and the government should never publicly favor one religion, especially one that claims to be a secular government, unless they are willing to allow any and all other groups to also display what they like in the same area.
Public schools also have no say in the matter since they are a state run facility, meaning separation of church and state still applies.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879268 - 06/30/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They're just buthrt because they got the shit trolled out of them by a bunch of atheists and satanists.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin] 1
#21879280 - 06/30/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is there a 10 Commandments monument outside of the capital in the first place?
What are they trying to say by putting it out there?
If they aren't trying to say anything, what's the problem with having it removed?
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: space walk]
#21879292 - 06/30/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A republican legislator privately funded it. "Rep. Mike Ritze, a Republican from Broken Arrow whose family paid about $10,000 for the monument's construction, pushed the bill authorizing the monument." "which was privately funded by a Republican legislator"
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879295 - 06/30/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: The Czech Republic doesn't have the same constitution as the USA, it is on government property and a government should not favor one religion over any other.
America was founded on laws like this, they believed in the freedom of religion, and came here to escape religious persecution, if it was on private property such as someones house, no problem, but state property and the government should never publicly favor one religion, especially one that claims to be a secular government, unless they are willing to allow any and all other groups to also display what they like in the same area.
Public schools also have no say in the matter since they are a state run facility, meaning separation of church and state still applies.
Idealism is cool and all, but the fact is that there are references to religion (not only christianity) plastered all over public places and documents, all around the country
can you think of how many millions, if not billions, of dollars it could cost to remove the word "God" from every single public document and monument?
again, i know that there is separation of chruch and state. but that doesn't mean you can't deptict, or practice religion in a public place
again, this is just a statue
(You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make idols. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.)
it does say these things, but they are not enforced on campus.
it is still 100% legal to have gods before god, make idols, use the name of the lord in vein, and ignore the sabbath day
Edited by Adolin (06/30/15 05:45 PM)
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
#21879311 - 06/30/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"again, i know that there is separation of chruch and state. but that doesn't mean you can't depict, or practice religion in a public place"
But it does mean that if the government is the one depicting it or practicing it publicly, which isn't legal according to the constitution which is why the supreme court had a 7-2 voting that it should be removed. And why they are trying to amend the Oklahoma constitution in order to make it legal.
Im not advocating going around removing the word god from everything and doing all that, but I do agree that it shouldn't be there in the first place if it is government run, and mentioning god isn't the problem, they can do that all they want, it is mentioning a specific god to a specific religion that I disagree with when it is the government behind it.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879333 - 06/30/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: "again, i know that there is separation of chruch and state. but that doesn't mean you can't depict, or practice religion in a public place"
But it does mean that if the government is the one depicting it or practicing it publicly.
It was privately funded, and again, they arent enforced rules.
it might be illegal to steal, murder, etc. on campus. but the 10 commandments themselves aren't enforced.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Adolin]
#21879366 - 06/30/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The construction of it was privately funded, where it was constructed was on public state owned property, which is illegal and IMO should be enforced. And the same guy who funded it, is the one who pushed the bill through allowing it to be constructed, he is using his own power to push his own religion, that is an issue. I'm all for people believing whatever they want, but then how come they won't allow the Hindu group to build a statue, how come it can only be Christian depictions. It sets up a system where only one religion is allowed to be publicly depicted by our government and almost places it above all other religions. The depiction itself isn't the issue, it's the fact Christians are granted special privileges when it comes to the constitution and is almost directly saying our religion is better then yours to everyone who isn't Christian, in a country where we are supposed to have freedom of religion and a secular government.
Separation of Church and State goes all the way around, if it was a muslim, jewish, hindu depiction on government property, I'd still have a problem with it, there's a time and place for everything, and government isn't the time or place for religion.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Sksoul]
#21879404 - 06/30/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sksoul said: Separation of church and state
Actually, while there should be, there is no mention of "Separation of church and state" in the Constitution.
What it says is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
In plain English... Congress can't start, endorse, stop or tamper with religion. As the Constitution is a document expressly designed to limit the power of the federal government, the states should be free to do as they wish.
"Separation of church and state" is a moronic reading of the Constitution by a moronic Supreme Court bench who legislated on the fly.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21879531 - 06/30/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Do you agree that it should or disagree and why or why not? I personally disagree solely because it is a government building and a violation of separation of church and state IMO, and in a country where we have freedom of religion, one religion should not be favored publicly by the government.
What are your thoughts on the matter? Discuss Intelligently.
It's a piece of religious history and also a piece of art. It could be The Madonna and make no difference to me as far as removing it. It's where America comes from and is one of the few values, morals, respect institutions that exist. I fully support church and state, but a piece of art and history is something that belongs there. Removing it would make us deny who we are as Americans as a whole. It's part of the main faith that Americans have been subscribing to since it's inception. Leave it alone.
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21879669 - 06/30/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Sksoul said: Separation of church and state
Actually, while there should be, there is no mention of "Separation of church and state" in the Constitution.
What it says is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
In plain English... Congress can't start, endorse, stop or tamper with religion. As the Constitution is a document expressly designed to limit the power of the federal government, the states should be free to do as they wish.
"Separation of church and state" is a moronic reading of the Constitution by a moronic Supreme Court bench who legislated on the fly.
Yea, I guess I'm somewhat religious... I just think it is supposed to be personal and intrinsic in nature. Makes no difference to me whether they keep it or not. Does it still say "In God We Trust" on US currency?
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Re: Supreme court in Oklahoma ruled Ten Commandments Statue must be removed from state Capitol [Re: Salomon]
#21879680 - 06/30/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Salomon said:
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Sksoul said: Separation of church and state
this^
religious paraphernalia do not belong anywhere near bodies of government
This has nothing to do with Religion and its influence on laws (or lackthereof . This is a cultural thing. Why dont you fucking liberals paint the world white already......or rainbow :rolleyes
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