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oontribe

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fan and potency?
#21878597 - 06/30/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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why fan drying doesnt make your shrooms lose potency? they are still exposed to oxygen in the open air.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: fan and potency? [Re: oontribe]
#21878619 - 06/30/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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oxidation causes a loss in potency not exposure to air. not being dried out = oxidation can happen. usually it's an enzyme like MAO(mono amine oxidase) which can go to work while the shroom is still "alive" but if you dry it out you stop the oxidation reactions.
oxidation doesn't mean oxygen get that out of your head. oxidation is named after oxygen that's all
this is why for most of us fan drying sub par and using a food dehydrator is standard.
fan drying is fucking around with your shrooms taking more than 24 hours to dry. and that's unacceptable for some of us.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (06/30/15 03:27 PM)
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Charleskun
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Re: fan and potency? [Re: oontribe]
#21878641 - 06/30/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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As long as they aren't moist and exposed long enough for other organisms to start feeding off of them, they can't lost potency. You should not keep them out in open air for longer than it takes to dry them for the elements will take toll.
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Edited by Charleskun (06/30/15 03:32 PM)
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Kizzle
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Yeah at least the degradation of psilocybin to psilocin does not require O2. Also even though the mushrooms are harvested they're still alive. In theory it's even possible they continue to accumulate psilocybin during part of the fan drying process.
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Re: fan and potency? [Re: Kizzle]
#21878753 - 06/30/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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as far as I know even the O2 mediated oxidation of chemicals like indoles are catalyzed by enzymes. without the enzyme action the O2 won't oxidize the indole on it's own. it requires the catalyzing enzyme.
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Kizzle
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I know exposure to UV Light or the presence of Fe(III) are both capable of degrading psilocin without enzymes. I'm not sure about without O2 but I'm guessing the -OH present in water is all it needs since psilocin is a phenol and it's known to be particularly unstable in alkaline conditions.
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oontribe

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I see. Did someone ever faced potency issues from fan drying before?
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bodhisatta 
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Re: fan and potency? [Re: Kizzle]
#21878924 - 06/30/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kizzle said: I know exposure to UV Light or the presence of Fe(III) are both capable of degrading psilocin without enzymes. I'm not sure about without O2 but I'm guessing the -OH present in water is all it needs since psilocin is a phenol and it's known to be particularly unstable in alkaline conditions.
well in that case the iron in that oxidation state it's the catalyst or "enzyme" since an enzyme is biologically produced catalyst machine
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Re: fan and potency? [Re: oontribe]
#21878925 - 06/30/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
oontribe said: I see. Did someone ever faced potency issues from fan drying before?
it's much much more likely they faced a potency issue before harvesting
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oontribe

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Genatics?
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Kizzle
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Re: fan and potency? [Re: oontribe]
#21878969 - 06/30/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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People have made claims but none have been substantiated. Because of the lack of actual evidence most of what you've heard about fan drying and potency is probably just speculation. Personally I haven't noticed much of a difference as long you use a desiccant after fan drying so I wouldn't consider it an important factor in whether or not you fan/desiccant dry or use another method like a dehydrator or oven. Just do what's most convenient for you.
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