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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21889303 - 07/02/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Same sex marriage was outlawed for all as well.  You have the legal reasoning ability of a ten year old.  Anyway, it begins

http://www.krtv.com/story/29450937/montana-polygamist-family-applies-for-marriage-license

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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21891406 - 07/03/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, still 3 or 4 times your reasoning ability.

Multiple marriage is against the law for all. Marriage between 2 people was against the law for some.

Read it and weep.

nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

No wonder it was so easy for certain posters to drive you from Politics. There's just no challenge in pointing out the stupidity of some of your positions.

Early onset Alzheimer's perhaps? Seek help.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21892605 - 07/03/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/scalias-full-dissent-same-sex-marriage-ruling

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I join THE CHIEF JUSTICE’s opinion in full. I write separately to call attention to this Court’s threat to American democracy.

The substance of today’s decree is not of immense personal importance to me. The law can recognize as marriage whatever sexual attachments and living arrangements it wishes, and can accord them favorable civil consequences, from tax treatment to rights of inheritance.

Those civil consequences—and the public approval that conferring the name of marriage evidences—can perhaps have adverse social effects, but no more adverse than the effects of many other controversial laws. So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about marriage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court. The opinion in these cases is the furthest extension in fact— and the furthest extension one can even imagine—of the Court’s claimed power to create “liberties” that the Constitution and its Amendments neglect to mention. This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves.




Marriage between two people of the same gender was also against the law.  Are you arguing that number is protection or of particular difference?  Because that's stupid.

The government should get out of the marriage sanctioning business entirely.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892616 - 07/03/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quoting scalia. :rolleyes:

The guy has no business being a judge of anything. He is an emotional fool beholden to catholic doctrine.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
    #21892626 - 07/03/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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of the Court’s claimed power to create “liberties” that the Constitution and its Amendments neglect to mention.




Again, the fucking ninth ammendment:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Scalia is an embarrassment.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
    #21892635 - 07/03/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He has respect for the Constitution unlike five feckless cunts on the bench and the current occupant of the White House.

We were getting to homo marriage the proper way.  Do you not understand his point?  5 unelected and unremovable judges should not be the arbiters of this.  It should be the people.  I find it very intimidating that 5 judges can impose their political will and invent rights that are clearly nonexistent against the will of the electorate.  Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892640 - 07/03/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, then you should leave the US because that is the way our government works.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
    #21892685 - 07/03/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No.  We need to get rid of some of these judges.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892698 - 07/03/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/scalias-full-dissent-same-sex-marriage-ruling

Quote:

I join THE CHIEF JUSTICE’s opinion in full. I write separately to call attention to this Court’s threat to American democracy.

The substance of today’s decree is not of immense personal importance to me. The law can recognize as marriage whatever sexual attachments and living arrangements it wishes, and can accord them favorable civil consequences, from tax treatment to rights of inheritance.

Those civil consequences—and the public approval that conferring the name of marriage evidences—can perhaps have adverse social effects, but no more adverse than the effects of many other controversial laws. So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about marriage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court. The opinion in these cases is the furthest extension in fact— and the furthest extension one can even imagine—of the Court’s claimed power to create “liberties” that the Constitution and its Amendments neglect to mention. This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves.




Marriage between two people of the same gender was also against the law.  Are you arguing that number is protection or of particular difference?  Because that's stupid.

The government should get out of the marriage sanctioning business entirely.




Quoting the guy from the losing side. How convincing!  :lmafo:

I guess the beating you've taken in this thread has robbed you of your remaining common sense (and ability to read the written word unambiguously) 

Bigot.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
    #21892707 - 07/03/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Quoting scalia. :rolleyes:

The guy has no business being a judge of anything. He is an emotional fool beholden to catholic doctrine.




Quote:

koods said:
Quoting scalia.




That was pretty funny seeing as Scalia was complaining that the written word needs to mean what the written word says. He was right about that.

Here's the pertinent written words:

nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

He and zappa could use a good circle jerk.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892709 - 07/03/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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He has respect for the Constitution unlike five feckless cunts on the bench and the current occupant of the White House.

We were getting to homo marriage the proper way.  Do you not understand his point?  5 unelected and unremovable judges should not be the arbiters of this.  It should be the people.  I find it very intimidating that 5 judges can impose their political will and invent rights that are clearly nonexistent against the will of the electorate.  Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution.




:rofl:

You should retake high school civics.

How odd that I've never seen you complain when you agree with the courts decision.

:laugh2:


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5 9 unelected and unremovable judges should not be the arbiters of this.




At least get that right. :whatever:


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21892714 - 07/03/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You still seem to not understand either my or Scalia's objection.  I have no objection to homos getting married.  But that should be decided by  the states and the electorate.  I do not know why you are willing to cede control to the slimmest possible majority of unelected and unaccountable oligarchs.  I guess you prefer a dictatorship to and elective republic.  There is not one single word about marriage in the Constitution.  Thus the right to regulate marriage is reserved to the states.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892720 - 07/03/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, I understand your position. It's wrong, bigoted and moronic.

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I have no objection to homos getting married.




Of course not.  :rolleyes:


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There is not one single word about marriage in the Constitution.




Doesn't have to be. That comes across as more stupid each time you say it.


nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21892736 - 07/03/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

zappaisgod said:
He has respect for the Constitution unlike five feckless cunts on the bench and the current occupant of the White House.

We were getting to homo marriage the proper way.  Do you not understand his point?  5 unelected and unremovable judges should not be the arbiters of this.  It should be the people.  I find it very intimidating that 5 judges can impose their political will and invent rights that are clearly nonexistent against the will of the electorate.  Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution.




:rofl:

You should retake high school civics.

How odd that I've never seen you complain when you agree with the courts decision.

:laugh2:




Why would I complain when I agree?  When they adhere to the text I have no problem.  I have quoted the relevant text several times.  Do you know what other decision I object to?  Roe v Wade.  Not because I oppose abortion rights but because the judges should not be the people deciding.  I have actually read Blackmun's decision and aside from a bunch of other flaws there was one that I knew would rear its ugly head in a few years.  The rationale for determining when it is unacceptable except in the most dire conditions and that is viability.  In Blackmun's time it was 26 weeks and the fetus did not survive before that.  Now we have improved technology so much that 20 weeks is doable.  So are we to repeal the decision?


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21892743 - 07/03/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
No, I understand your position. It's wrong, bigoted and moronic.

Quote:

I have no objection to homos getting married.




Of course not.  :rolleyes:


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There is not one single word about marriage in the Constitution.




Doesn't have to be. That comes across as more stupid each time you say it.


nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws





So now we will have polygamy.  And every state will have to accept every other state's gun permits.  Equal protection, right?


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892745 - 07/03/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's the judges job.

Watching your bigoted self melt down over this has been one of my most amusing times at the Shroomery.

The judges did their job in a way you don't like, so now you say it's not their job to do their job.

Boo-fucking-hoo Bigot.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892759 - 07/03/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now we will have polygamy.  And every state will have to accept every other state's gun permits.  Equal protection, right?




Your memory appears to be shorter than my dick.

Polygamy is against the law for all and not just for a group that bigots and homophobes disapprove of. That is equal.

And as I've pointed out before, gun rights (being a constitutional right) do apply nationwide. Some states just have yet to catch on... like you and gay marriage.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21892767 - 07/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Look, you're wasting your time.

The court followed the constitution, acted correctly and constitutionally.

Your butthurt makes it seem as if you're afraid 'gay' will rub off on you. They won't bite... unless you ask.

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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21892785 - 07/03/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You still seem to not understand either my or Scalia's objection.  I have no objection to homos getting married.  But that should be decided by  the states and the electorate.  I do not know why you are willing to cede control to the slimmest possible majority of unelected and unaccountable oligarchs.  I guess you prefer a dictatorship to and elective republic.  There is not one single word about marriage in the Constitution.  Thus the right to regulate marriage is reserved to the states.





Scalia believes that people rights should be up to popular vote.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
    #21892790 - 07/03/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Scalia believes that people rights should be up to popular vote.




Apparently Clearly, so does zappa.


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