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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Beanhead]
#21882864 - 07/01/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some of the truest things in life are the saddest.
Many people are full of hate for each other.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Beanhead]
#21882870 - 07/01/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i don't care who hates who; living in a just society is what concerns me.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Beanhead]
#21883080 - 07/01/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Beanhead said: Yeah make it a state issue!
All bigots should go livebe deported in one state so they can wallow in each others hate whilst the rest of the world makes love.



Who said anything about bigotry, I believe the issue at hand is where are the lines between the courts?
@everyone, that yeasty malcontents wasn't directed at those participating in this civil discourse. I got cunty, and I apologize
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
#21883095 - 07/01/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was mostly trying to provoke
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21884053 - 07/01/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: When it comes to marriage, there would have been one other constitional problem for states that chose to ban gay marriage: the constitution requires that all states recognize legal and contractual agreements made in the other states. so, as long as gay marriages were recognized and legally valid in one state, every state would be required to honor those marriages. They might have gotten away with not permitting such marriages to occur within the state, but they could not prevent a couple from getting married elsewhere.
Article IV, Section 1: Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof
I ask again. Does this not apply to gun laws as well? Should a pistol permit issued in Idaho not be honored in NY?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21884367 - 07/01/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A marriage is a legally binding contract. A permit is a license. Contracts just be honored everywhere. Licenses are only good in the jurisdiction they are issued, unless there is some type of voluntary reciprocity agreement.
A gun permit allows you to carry a gun in the state it is issued, just as a law or medical license only allows you to practice those professions in the states they are issued.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods] 1
#21884455 - 07/01/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: A gun permit allows you to carry a gun in the state it is issued, just as a law or medical license only allows you to practice those professions in the states they are issued.
So you're OK with constitutional rights ending at state lines?
Should you not have the right to freedom of speech when you cross a state line?
Is gay marriage a constitutional right? Should it end at state lines?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21884608 - 07/01/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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koods said: A gun permit allows you to carry a gun in the state it is issued, just as a law or medical license only allows you to practice those professions in the states they are issued.
So you're OK with constitutional rights ending at state lines?
Should you not have the right to freedom of speech when you cross a state line?
Is gay marriage a constitutional right? Should it end at state lines?
gun rights and marriage rights are not the same.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21884616 - 07/01/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: A marriage is a legally binding contract. A permit is a license. Contracts just be honored everywhere. Licenses are only good in the jurisdiction they are issued, unless there is some type of voluntary reciprocity agreement.
A gun permit allows you to carry a gun in the state it is issued, just as a law or medical license only allows you to practice those professions in the states they are issued.
Do you know that as soon as you are issued a marriage license you are married in the eyes of the law? The ceremony is irrelevant and unnecessary. Many states use a universal bar exam and I don't think you are right about doctors. Gun rights are specifically protected in the Constitution and the reasoning in this case would require that all states accept any other state's permits. This decision overcomes reciprocity statutes. So if reciprocity doesn't apply to marriage why would it apply to guns?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: millzy]
#21884627 - 07/01/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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koods said: A gun permit allows you to carry a gun in the state it is issued, just as a law or medical license only allows you to practice those professions in the states they are issued.
So you're OK with constitutional rights ending at state lines?
Should you not have the right to freedom of speech when you cross a state line?
Is gay marriage a constitutional right? Should it end at state lines?
gun rights and marriage rights are not the same.
You are correct. Gun rights are specifically granted in the Constitution. The Constitution has nothing at all to say about marriage
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: millzy]
#21884641 - 07/01/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said: gun rights and marriage rights are not the same.
Both are constitutional rights. Why does one end at state lines and one does not? What other rights do you think end at state lines?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21884662 - 07/01/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The Constitution has nothing at all to say about marriage
You can't be that numb. The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment says laws apply equally to all. If straights can marry, gays can marry.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21884676 - 07/01/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
You come off as foolish each time you gloss over the 14th. Give it a rest.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21884681 - 07/01/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The Constitution has nothing at all to say about marriage
You can't be that numb. The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment says laws apply equally to all. If straights can marry, gays can marry.
So can pedophiles? Polygamists? Where is the end? You and I agree almost all the time and I fully support same sex marriage but I find this judicial reasoning to be very scary. I do not think the government should be in the business of sanctioning marriage at all and the tax code should be neutral on it
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21884689 - 07/01/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
You come off as foolish each time you gloss over the 14th. Give it a rest.
What protection is at issue?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21884699 - 07/01/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It says what it says with no ambiguity. nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Pedophilia is against the law for everyone... equally. Polygamy is against the law for everyone... equally.
Marriage was legal for straights, now it's legal for gays... equally. As it should be. . You're making an ass of yourself.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21884703 - 07/01/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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luvdemshrooms said: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
You come off as foolish each time you gloss over the 14th. Give it a rest.
What protection is at issue?
Really?
Just stop beclowning yourself. It's rather pathetic.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21884716 - 07/01/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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marriage, while left to the states, is indirectly protected by the constitution via the bill of rights, the tenth amendment as well as the fourteenth. gun rights are directly protected by the second amendment. and again, it should be self evident that they are not the same; leaving gun laws up to the states (within constitutional limits) is different than the legal quagmire that would surely arise from not having a state recognize out of state marriages. i don't even know why, or if i even should, take your claim seriously zappa.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: millzy]
#21884734 - 07/01/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's no difference but it's not too surprising to see people being OK with shitting on some of them.
A right is a right even if you don't like it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21884745 - 07/01/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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who said anything about shitting on anything? i'm just pointing out that they are not the same.
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