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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21880209 - 06/30/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Abortion and gay marriage are totally state issues.





so you dont believe in equal protections under the law


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
    #21880213 - 06/30/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A state constitution cannot violate the US constitution nor can it violate rights of the people.

Zappa you continue to ignore the import of the ninth ammendment which is very clear that there are rights that are not enumerated in the constitution.

Here is the key text of the gay marriage decision
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(4) The right to marry is a fundamental right inherent in the liberty of the person, and under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment couples of the same-sex may not be deprived of that right and that liberty. Same-sex couples may exercise the fundamental right to marry. Baker v. Nelson is overruled. The State laws challenged by the petitioners in these cases are held invalid to the extent they exclude same-sex couples from civil marriage on the same terms and conditions as opposite-sex couples. 

The Fourteenth Amendment requires States to recognize same- sex marriages validly performed out of State. Since same-sex couples may now exercise the fundamental right to marry in all States, there is no lawful basis for a State to refuse to recognize a lawful same-sex marriage performed in another State on the ground of its same-sex character. 








You do realize the floodgates that opens, right?  For thousands of years marriage has meant one thing.  The only reason this is even an issue is because the government discriminates on the basis of marital status.  Maybe the government should stop discriminating.

I gotta go to sleep.  maybe I'll smack you around some more tomorrow


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21880232 - 06/30/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes. All worship the supreme court. Thank heavens homosexuals can get married now. AS a straight man, it makes me sleep better at night and sure influences my life.

EVERYTHING, from enjoying my evening beer, to working at my job. Everything has now changed because two guys can receive benefits for making man love.

I seriously cant express how much joy I feel. Its as if everything is suddenly right in the world.



See how fucking stupid it sounds when you say it out loud?






wanna know what sounds really stupid?


"same sex marriages will destroy traditional marriage"

I mean seriously, will we now see people like yourself rushing to the courthouse so the can get a divorce from their wives and marry a homosexual?


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21880273 - 06/30/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You do realize the floodgates that opens, right?  For thousands of years marriage has meant one thing.




to the modern western world maybe, Nero had married at least 2 men, it wasnt
uncommon in greece or rome up until around 350AD when a christian emperor
banned same sex marriages, 13 of 14 emperors of rome were bi sexual or strictly
homosexual and several of those had same sex spouses. in china same sex
marriages were also not uncommon, on this contenent, while it wasnt marriage as
the church would recognize it, it was also not uncommon amongst the indians,
again it seems that anywhere that religions such as christianity flourished
that these same sex marriages were outlawed


but hey, you can live in the dark ages and not suck dick for a wedding band



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The only reason this is even an issue is because the government discriminates on the basis of marital status.  Maybe the government should stop discriminating.




insurance companies also discriminate on the basis of marital status, hospitals
can refuse a non-spouse entry to the ICU which left many same sex couples in
some real shit situations during a medical crisis


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21881691 - 07/01/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

open the floodgates to what exactly? a better society? same sex couples should be allowed to marry. polygamy, provided that everyone is a consenting adult, should be legalized too (with limits on how many people you can enter a legally binding contract with). while i'm neither gay nor poly, it seems to me that allowing people to live how they want would be for the greater good seeing that neither of these lifestyles is implicitly harmful. we spend so much time worrying about how everyone else lives, and the only people it seems to truly benefit are the elites who rule us. i wonder what type of society we would have if we spent more time paying attention to what those people are really up to instead of arguing over who marries who.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21881785 - 07/01/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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myc_check1212 said:
Abortion and gay marriage are totally state issues.





so you dont believe in equal protections under the law




I said they are state issues. Everybody gets their say and let the chips fall where they may. In this hypothetical scenario everyone will know where they stand and can act accordingly. So a gay couple could say "oh you dont like us marrying? Cool, ill take my business, my income, and taxes elsewhere". Like a large scale Montgomery Bus Boycott. Outsiders could observe " state X doesn't alow gay marriage, lets not do business there". The flip side could work "we alow gay marriage, come one, come all, bring your families. Bring everything, salgood"

Abortion is used as birth control which flies in the face of Roe v Wades "safe,legs and rare" cop out. Abortion is a debate way beneath me.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21881802 - 07/01/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When it comes to marriage, there would have been one other constitional problem for states that chose to ban gay marriage: the constitution requires that all states recognize legal and contractual agreements made in the other states. so, as long as gay marriages were recognized and legally valid in one state, every state would be required to honor those marriages. They might have gotten away with not permitting such marriages to occur within the state, but they could not prevent a couple from getting married elsewhere.

Article IV, Section 1:
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21881897 - 07/01/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
Yes. All worship the supreme court. Thank heavens homosexuals can get married now. AS a straight man, it makes me sleep better at night and sure influences my life.

EVERYTHING, from enjoying my evening beer, to working at my job. Everything has now changed because two guys can receive benefits for making man love.

I seriously cant express how much joy I feel. Its as if everything is suddenly right in the world.



See how fucking stupid it sounds when you say it out loud?






wanna know what sounds really stupid?


"same sex marriages will destroy traditional marriage"

I mean seriously, will we now see people like yourself rushing to the courthouse so the can get a divorce from their wives and marry a homosexual?



:lol: That was a pretty good comeback :strokebeard2:


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21881930 - 07/01/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

..for later.

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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21881951 - 07/01/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

koods said:
A state constitution cannot violate the US constitution nor can it violate rights of the people.

Zappa you continue to ignore the import of the ninth ammendment which is very clear that there are rights that are not enumerated in the constitution.

Here is the key text of the gay marriage decision
Quote:

(4) The right to marry is a fundamental right inherent in the liberty of the person, and under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment couples of the same-sex may not be deprived of that right and that liberty. Same-sex couples may exercise the fundamental right to marry. Baker v. Nelson is overruled. The State laws challenged by the petitioners in these cases are held invalid to the extent they exclude same-sex couples from civil marriage on the same terms and conditions as opposite-sex couples. 

The Fourteenth Amendment requires States to recognize same- sex marriages validly performed out of State. Since same-sex couples may now exercise the fundamental right to marry in all States, there is no lawful basis for a State to refuse to recognize a lawful same-sex marriage performed in another State on the ground of its same-sex character. 








You do realize the floodgates that opens, right?  For thousands of years marriage has meant one thing.  The only reason this is even an issue is because the government discriminates on the basis of marital status.  Maybe the government should stop discriminating.

I gotta go to sleep.  maybe I'll smack you around some more tomorrow




Yeah well, marriage has been around for thousands of years. It's kinda engrained in society by now. Kinda like how the most dangerous drug (alcohol) is legal everywhere and weed is illegal. Alcohol has been popular everywhere for thousands of years. It anchored itself in society.

As for the floodgates opening; yes. We will all drown in civil liberties. It's gonna be horrible.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21881965 - 07/01/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I won't shut up as per my FIRST amendment right.




Yup. And gays can wed because of their constitutional rights. Ain't that a bitch?


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This was being taken care of by the electorate.




Except, wahhh for you, they weren't. Fortunately we have a constitution that trumps homophobes.


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  Even that homo basher Obama was coming around.




Who gives a fuck what the lying racist thinks. Soon the bigoted asshole will be a footnote in the failure section of American politics.


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  The problem here is judicial over reach.  Do you really want to cede policy to 9 unelected and basically unimpeachable people?  Be careful what you wish for




Them ruling on constitutional issues that are clear and unambiguous is exactly what I wish for and exactly what they correctly did. This time. That's their jobs, duties and legitimate function. That doesn't mean they get them all correct, but this time they nailed it.


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I use "homo"  because the homosexual people I have known in my life are not "gay".  They are mostly miserable.




Seems to me you used it to get a reaction and because you're a bigot.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21881968 - 07/01/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The word marriage does not appear in the Constitution anywhere




How fortunate for the non-bigoted that it doesn't have to.

For someone so concerned about what the constitution says, you seem to have little regard for the portions you don't like.

How sad for you.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21882201 - 07/01/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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myc_check1212 said:
Abortion and gay marriage are totally state issues.





so you dont believe in equal protections under the law




I said they are state issues. Everybody gets their say and let the chips fall where they may. In this hypothetical scenario everyone will know where they stand and can act accordingly. So a gay couple could say "oh you dont like us marrying? Cool, ill take my business, my income, and taxes elsewhere". Like a large scale Montgomery Bus Boycott. Outsiders could observe " state X doesn't alow gay marriage, lets not do business there". The flip side could work "we alow gay marriage, come one, come all, bring your families. Bring everything, salgood"




but states were not giving all people equal protection under the law, one state
makes it legal while another state refuses to recognize it, if in order to make
money you need to move to a different state that doesnt recognize your marriage
then how will that play out and as you've just shown, this only plays well for
those that can afford an interstate move. suppose that move entails crossing
the country. the whole concept will allow for discrimination against some group
or another for which ever rights the individual states choose

maybe you could explain it to me. how does same sex marriage harm anyone

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Abortion is used as birth control which flies in the face of Roe v Wades "safe,legs and rare" cop out. Abortion is a debate way beneath me.




well, I'm all for abortion, sure birth control is a better option but it sure
as hell beats tens of thousands of additional minors and even adults pumping
out kids that will be a burden on me the rest of their lives


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21882332 - 07/01/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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myc_check1212 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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myc_check1212 said:
Abortion and gay marriage are totally state issues.





so you dont believe in equal protections under the law




I said they are state issues. Everybody gets their say and let the chips fall where they may. In this hypothetical scenario everyone will know where they stand and can act accordingly. So a gay couple could say "oh you dont like us marrying? Cool, ill take my business, my income, and taxes elsewhere". Like a large scale Montgomery Bus Boycott. Outsiders could observe " state X doesn't alow gay marriage, lets not do business there". The flip side could work "we alow gay marriage, come one, come all, bring your families. Bring everything, salgood"

Abortion is used as birth control which flies in the face of Roe v Wades "safe,legs and rare" cop out. Abortion is a debate way beneath me.




those are both federal issues. go to college.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21882349 - 07/01/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never said , nor my position is that gay marriage harms anyone. I dont have a horse in that race. My position is that gay marriage and abortion should have been left at a state vote. That's it.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21882421 - 07/01/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I never said , nor my position is that gay marriage harms anyone. I dont have a horse in that race. My position is that gay marriage and abortion should have been left at a state vote. That's it.




your opinion is contradicted by the fact that we have a federal republic in which the states are beholden to federal law. gay marriage and abortion was left to the states, but the courts had to intervene on behalf of the public because, in both cases, the states were violating constitutional rights.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: millzy]
    #21882498 - 07/01/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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millzy said:
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myc_check1212 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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myc_check1212 said:
Abortion and gay marriage are totally state issues.





so you dont believe in equal protections under the law




I said they are state issues. Everybody gets their say and let the chips fall where they may. In this hypothetical scenario everyone will know where they stand and can act accordingly. So a gay couple could say "oh you dont like us marrying? Cool, ill take my business, my income, and taxes elsewhere". Like a large scale Montgomery Bus Boycott. Outsiders could observe " state X doesn't alow gay marriage, lets not do business there". The flip side could work "we alow gay marriage, come one, come all, bring your families. Bring everything, salgood"

Abortion is used as birth control which flies in the face of Roe v Wades "safe,legs and rare" cop out. Abortion is a debate way beneath me.




those are both federal issues. go to college.




I'm surrounded by enough yeasty malcontents here, why pay for it and waste my time at college?


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21882596 - 07/01/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah make it a state issue!

All bigots should go livebe deported in one state so they can wallow in each others hate whilst the rest of the world makes love.
:heart:

:trolldance:

:kingtard:


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Beanhead]
    #21882829 - 07/01/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're kidding yourself if you think the rest of the world doesn't hate each other.


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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21882857 - 07/01/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl2: yeah, pretty sure of that.

:awewtf:

:feelssadman:


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