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Patlal
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21878559 - 06/30/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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For me I think it's a great thing that judges don't get elected.
If these's people will be the country's top judges, I don't want them to be the winner of the charisma pageant that is the election process. I want them to get the job out of merit and track record.
We don't need other elected idiots taking important decisions. At least one of the branches of government should be operated by competent people
Now while I dunderstand that they get appointed by the elected guy that may or may not be an idiot. I know for a fact that lawyers can't just send their resumes and bullshit their way through the interview and get a supreme court job.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21878564 - 06/30/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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We did, that's why some of us are of the mind that there are some things SCOTUS shouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.
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404
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Patlal]
#21878571 - 06/30/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I you want idiots not in your governments, remove the coffers and pensions being bloated by lobbyists and whatnot.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Patlal]
#21878588 - 06/30/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Electing judges is a disaster, which is why there is such a strong movement to end the practice. The last thing you want is judges who owe favors to campaign contributors, not to mention making decisions based on public opinion, rather than the law.
Judges shouldn't be subject to the whims of fickle voters. They should not fear that a legally sound decision could cost them their jobs. If a judge has abused his power, he can be impeached.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: 404] 1
#21878599 - 06/30/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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404 said: As a canadian why do all your threads have to do with the US? You never say eh? either... I'm beginning to suspect you aren't as canadian as you would have us all believe  (Ps did not read any replies to op when i posted this)
Canada is boring as fuck, that's why.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Patlal]
#21878615 - 06/30/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I know for a fact that lawyers can't just send their resumes and bullshit their way through the interview and get a supreme court job.
That's exactly what they do...
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Acaterpillar]
#21878628 - 06/30/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean the aides get hired that way, but judges who would be considered for a seat on the court are way beyond resumes.
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Patlal
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21878634 - 06/30/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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404 said: As a canadian why do all your threads have to do with the US? You never say eh? either... I'm beginning to suspect you aren't as canadian as you would have us all believe  (Ps did not read any replies to op when i posted this)
Canada is boring as fuck, that's why.
Sadly, this is true.
Our biggest headlines right now are about the a Senator accused of assault against his wife. The second biggest is whether or not to buuild a statue in the east coast for some reason I don't reaally care about.
Then we put CNN on and we see riots, church shootings, blatant racism, cops killing people for no reason, escaped prisoners, Donald Trump thrashing Mexico and losing TV rights, etc. At some point, clearly that s more entertaining.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21878638 - 06/30/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, it was really a joke. I just don't believe in the integrity of our supreme court.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21878644 - 06/30/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: No, they are demonstrably not. According to the Supreme Court, states may not ban gay marriage or abortions. Your opinion doesn't matter.
Please point out the word marriage in the Constitution.
I'll point you to the ninth amendment, which specifies there are rights not specified in the constitution
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
You should give this a read

All rights not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states. Now will you please find the phrase in the Constitution that includes the word marriage. I have no problem with same sex marriage, by the way. It doesn't even nudge my Give a Shit Meter. I just don't like how it got here. Really, the people and the politicians were already well on their way. Hell, even Obama had evolved on the issue. There was no reason at all for the SCOTUS to get involved. There is no Constitutional issue and there are simple legislative cures.
I read something the other day about the ramifications of the reasoning here. Does this mean that NY will have to accept Texas gun laws?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21878674 - 06/30/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Does this mean that NY will have to accept Texas gun laws?
Gee, I hope so.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21878716 - 06/30/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: The last thing you want is judges who owe favors to campaign contributors, not to mention making decisions based on public opinion, rather than the law.
Yes, because it's much better to have judges who owe favors to the politicians, not to mention making decisions based on public opinion, rather than the law.
Whether elected or selected... term limits for judges.
As an aside, Roberts blew both his ACA vote and the gay marriage vote. What was really sad was watching him try to explain both away.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21878731 - 06/30/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: No, they are demonstrably not. According to the Supreme Court, states may not ban gay marriage or abortions. Your opinion doesn't matter.
Please point out the word marriage in the Constitution.
I'll point you to the ninth amendment, which specifies there are rights not specified in the constitution
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
You should give this a read

All rights not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states. Now will you please find the phrase in the Constitution that includes the word marriage. I have no problem with same sex marriage, by the way. It doesn't even nudge my Give a Shit Meter. I just don't like how it got here. Really, the people and the politicians were already well on their way. Hell, even Obama had evolved on the issue. There was no reason at all for the SCOTUS to get involved. There is no Constitutional issue and there are simple legislative cures.
I read something the other day about the ramifications of the reasoning here. Does this mean that NY will have to accept Texas gun laws?
koods is right, though not for the reasons he thinks...
The Equal Protection Clause is located at the end of Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21878851 - 06/30/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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anthony lewis makes an interesting case for judicial activism in gideon's trumpet, the novel that chronicles the 1963 SCOTUS case of gideon v. wainwright which brought indigent defendants the right to council. lewis argues that whereas the legislature deals with the people in a broad, general sense, the courts deal with individuals, and that this is how a functioning democracy should work, especially one with such an expansive civil and criminal code that tries to cover virtually every area of human concern. i would tend to agree. depending on our legislature to do anything productive now is naive anyway. the courts seem to be our only immediate path to change things as the need occurs.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: millzy]
#21878872 - 06/30/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would disagree. The Supreme Court, or any court, should rule strictly based on law and constitution.
A court that changes things they way you want this time, might decide a different way next time.
Only the rule of law should matter.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21878904 - 06/30/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the court does plenty of things i dislike. citizen's united will spell fucking disaster for our democracy.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: millzy]
#21878923 - 06/30/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Citizens United was a case where they decided well. The recent ACA case was wrong. Gay marriage was right.
The point is, they need to follow the law and the constitution, not "make changes".
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21878996 - 06/30/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The way I see it, Citizen's United will in essence enable billionaires to buy an election. This is not a good thing, methinks.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21879010 - 06/30/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution at all and all rights not specifically enumerated are granted to the states what would prevent a state from not granting any marriage licenses at all and then having the residents sue the federal government for unequal taxation?
I am going to say this again. I have no problem with same sex marriage. I have a huge problem with the reasoning and jurisdictional issues here.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: Le_Canard]
#21879037 - 06/30/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: The way I see it, Citizen's United will in essence enable billionaires to buy an election. This is not a good thing, methinks.
Are you more comfortable with billionaires who own TV stations, movie companies and newspapers having a monopoly on messaging?
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