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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892793 - 07/03/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It should also be pointed out that the Supreme Court only upheld the decisions of the lower courts.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892800 - 07/03/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: So now we will have polygamy. And every state will have to accept every other state's gun permits. Equal protection, right?
Your memory appears to be shorter than my dick.
Polygamy is against the law for all and not just for a group that bigots and homophobes disapprove of. That is equal.
And as I've pointed out before, gun rights (being a constitutional right) do apply nationwide. Some states just have yet to catch on... like you and gay marriage.
Why are you bigoted against polygamists.
Are you incapable of reading? I said several times that I have no problem with homosexuals marrying each other. I have a problem with the court usurping powers that should be reserved to the states and the people who live in them. Thickness.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892808 - 07/03/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Scalia believes that people rights should be up to popular vote.
Apparently Clearly, so does zappa.
Where is there a right to marriage? It is statutory, not enshrined. No state is required to grant any marriage licenses at all. The Constitution does not mention marriage.. If 49 states decided to stop issuing marriage licenses but kept doing it would they be forced on all states just because of one?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892813 - 07/03/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why are you bigoted against polygamists.
I actually don't care if people practice polygamy. That won't rub off on me either.
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Are you incapable of reading? I said several times that I have no problem with homosexuals marrying each other.
I read the words. I just don't believe you.
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I have a problem with the court usurping powers that should be reserved to the states and the people who live in them. Thickness.
The court followed the constitution, acted correctly and constitutionally.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892831 - 07/03/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Where is there a right to marriage?
Doesn't need to be one.
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It is statutory, not enshrined.
Yup.
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
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No state is required to grant any marriage licenses at all.
m So what? If they grant them to straights, they must grant them to gays.
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The Constitution does not mention marriage..
Wahh. It doesn't have to.
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If 49 states decided to stop issuing marriage licenses but kept doing it would they be forced on all states just because of one?
I doubt it, but if a state grants it to straights, they must grant it to gays.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892836 - 07/03/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It most certainly did not follow the Constitution and acted strictly to expand it's own power. Which is my objection and Scalia's. I don't think these unelected and unremovable people should have that much power to impose what may or may not be acceptable to the states and the electorate. There is no explicit right to marriage at all in the Constitution
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892842 - 07/03/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suppose you disagree with the loving decision, which also relied on the right to marry when overturning bans in interracial marriage?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892846 - 07/03/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It most certainly did not follow the Constitution
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
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Which is my objection and Scalia's.
So you and Scalia share a moronic opinion. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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I don't think these unelected and unremovable people should have that much power to impose what may or may not be acceptable to the states and the electorate.
And yet... they do.
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There is no explicit right to marriage at all in the Constitution
Doesn't have to be.
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892850 - 07/03/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: I suppose you disagree with the loving decision, which also relied on the right to marry when overturning bans in interracial marriage?
I'm unfamiliar with the Loving decision. I'll go look at it.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892858 - 07/03/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That was for Zappa.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892862 - 07/03/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: I suppose you disagree with the loving decision, which also relied on the right to marry when overturning bans in interracial marriage?
Ah, I didn't recognize the decisions name. The Loving decision was also decided correctly.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892868 - 07/03/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Re: luvdemshrooms made it seem otherwise.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892873 - 07/03/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How appalling that it took until 1967 to do away with that.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21892877 - 07/03/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Where is there a right to marriage?
Doesn't need to be one.
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It is statutory, not enshrined.
Yup.
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nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
All homosexuals were always free to marry anybody they wanted of the opposite sex. Equal protection. Exactly equal.Quote:
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No state is required to grant any marriage licenses at all.
m So what? If they grant them to straights, they must grant them to gays.
They have to allow homosexuals the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex. This is not an uncommon occurrence.Quote:
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The Constitution does not mention marriage..
Wahh. It doesn't have to.
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If 49 states decided to stop issuing marriage licenses but kept doing it would they be forced on all states just because of one?
I doubt it, but if a state grants it to straights, they must grant it to gays.
Why? Why does your logic not grant me the right to marry my cats? Or 3 women? Or 3 men? I WANT EQUAL PROTECTION!
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892878 - 07/03/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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From the Loving decision 1967:
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Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892891 - 07/03/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: That was for Zappa.
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The case was brought by Mildred Loving, a black woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, who had been sentenced to a year in prison in Virginia for marrying each other. Their marriage violated the state's anti-miscegenation statute, the Racial Integrity Act of 1924, which prohibited marriage between people classified as "white" and people classified as "colored". The Supreme Court's unanimous decision determined that this prohibition was unconstitutional, reversing Pace v. Alabama (1883) and ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage in the United States.
This is a different issue entirely. First of all the state issued the marriage license in the first place. Second of all this involved prison.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892904 - 07/03/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: So once again unelected and unremovable people invented a right
No, they simply enforced an existing one.
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Then it should be removable by statute
States are free to remove marriage for everyone. Homophobes and bigots just don't get to pick and choose. How sad for you.
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All homosexuals were always free to marry anybody they wanted of the opposite sex. Equal protection. Exactly equal.
Really? 
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They have to allow homosexuals the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex.
Nope. Supreme court and then 14th say otherwise. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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This is not an uncommon occurrence.
Yup. Now it'll be far more common for gays as well, seeing as the Supreme Court bitch-slapped people like you. Bigot.
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Then it is reserved to the states to decide
Except nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
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Why? Why does your logic not grant me the right to marry my cats? Or 3 women? Or 3 men? I WANT EQUAL PROTECTION!
Because that's against the law for... wait for it... everyone. Equally.
The bigots and homophobes lost.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: koods]
#21892907 - 07/03/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: From the Loving decision 1967:
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Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.
You know what's hilarious about that? That the vast majority of Negro children grow up in homes that eschew marriage. Did that decision mention gender? Because It isn't "fundamental to our very existence and survival" that homosexuals marry.
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892912 - 07/03/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why would it not surprise if you were against "them damn darkies polluting our pure white women" as well?
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Re: I'm starting to like Supreme Courts very much [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892920 - 07/03/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Because It isn't "fundamental to our very existence and survival" that homosexuals marry.
It isn't "fundamental to our very existence and survival" that straights marry.
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