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saintdextro
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Find me a buddhist monk that claims to be enlighten.
#21877088 - 06/30/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I heard it told to me that the problem with Buddhism is that it claims the highest goal in the path is to be enlightened, yet no monk proclaims to achieved it them selves, only talk from others about monks thus passed, correct me if this is wrong, other wise there's no end to the path they proclaim, it lacks truth of the goal, a myth.
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Oggy
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Re: Find me a buddhist monk that claims to be enlighten. [Re: saintdextro]
#21877191 - 06/30/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe none of the monks who have achieved a state of nirvana claim they are enlightened because they understand that such claims would be frivolous, and insignificant.
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saintdextro
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Re: Find me a buddhist monk that claims to be enlighten. [Re: Oggy]
#21877225 - 06/30/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So picking a teacher could be a gamble or chance encounter? Don't get me wrong what you say sounds true, just a illusive path, as Buddhist as I am.
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Find me a buddhist monk that claims to be enlighten. [Re: Oggy] 2
#21878518 - 06/30/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Oggy said: Maybe none of the monks who have achieved a state of nirvana claim they are enlightened because they understand that such claims would be frivolous, and insignificant.
Right on! On the common sense level, it is absurdly egotistical to tell another person that one is Enlightened. On the more esoteric level, if there is no real abiding self, then there is nobody to be Enlightened. Enlightenment is the awareness of the emptiness of all phenomena, everything is ephemeral except for the Void from which all forms emerge and then return to - including us.
But, one can manifest Enlightenment in one's regard for others, in the absence of desire for self-importance, self-aggrandizement (e.g., by social status, ownership of status symbols, desire for fame or fortune), and by truly endeavoring to leave a minimal footprint in history besides the help one has provided for others. Covert attempts to 'be remembered,' or 'spread one's seed' through parenthood, may be socially and religiously sanctioned behaviors (especially in Catholicism and Orthodox Judaism), but the exact opposite holds true for Buddhist Enlightenment.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
Edited by MarkostheGnostic (07/02/15 12:31 PM)
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Re: Find me a buddhist monk that claims to be enlighten. [Re: saintdextro]
#21884299 - 07/01/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." -Lao Tzu
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saintdextro
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Re: Find me a buddhist monk that claims to be enlighten. [Re: Photismos]
#21886377 - 07/02/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lao tzu spoke, therefore he did not know, and now I spoke so I don't know, and wait a minute, you spoke, so you don't know,,,(lol, I know,,"smart ass",)
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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