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Interpret my dream
    #21877054 - 06/30/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

12 years ago, my brother who I shared a room with left for a camping trip, I decided to sleep with the tv off which was odd, I fell asleep.

The only dream I had that night was lucid, I knew I was dreaming, it was in the morning and I got out of bed, I looked out my bedroom window, I think I was curious if I could see a ghost, than suddenly the wind picked up heavily and shook the bush outside my window like crazy, than a choir like angels started singing "ahhhh!", and than a loud trumpet blast went off along side it, than a bright light from the sky came to me and all I could see was bright white and nothing else, and than a multitude of voice's kept repeating "do you complete me, am I complete?" I just froze and kept thinking "what?" because I didn't know what it meant.

I than suddenly woke up in the dark middle of the night, crying like crazy, tears and confusion running down my face in shock and awe, so vivid and clear, It took me years to come up with what that powerful and vivid dream means to me but I'll never forget, so real and clear.

I won't say what I think it means, I wanna hear what you would feel if it happened to you.

Please tell me what it was/means in your own mind.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: saintdextro]
    #21877638 - 06/30/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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12 years ago, my brother who I shared a room with left for a camping trip, I decided to sleep with the tv off which was odd, I fell asleep.

The only dream I had that night was lucid, I knew I was dreaming, it was in the morning and I got out of bed, I looked out my bedroom window, I think I was curious if I could see a ghost, than suddenly the wind picked up heavily and shook the bush outside my window like crazy, than a choir like angels started singing "ahhhh!", and than a loud trumpet blast went off along side it, than a bright light from the sky came to me and all I could see was bright white and nothing else, and than a multitude of voice's kept repeating "do you complete me, am I complete?" I just froze and kept thinking "what?" because I didn't know what it meant.

I than suddenly woke up in the dark middle of the night, crying like crazy, tears and confusion running down my face in shock and awe, so vivid and clear, It took me years to come up with what that powerful and vivid dream means to me but I'll never forget, so real and clear.

I won't say what I think it means, I wanna hear what you would feel if it happened to you.

Please tell me what it was/means in your own mind.




I'm guessing that God want you to start making Him feel complete by doing what is right.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: saintdextro]
    #21879459 - 06/30/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dream interpretation requires knowledge of more than the dream. Your current state of affairs, any remarkable changes that have occurred recently, and what thoughts you have been preoccupied with are essential for any analyst to venture 'amplifications' of the symbols that have arisen as the dream.From the data you have supplied, it seems apparent that biblical elements including the image of a bush, which even if not burning, is being shaken by the wind, and the wind is another biblical metaphor for the Spirit of God (the word pneuma means both wind and spirit in Greek). Add to that the idea of "ghost" plus a sense of the holy, and you have a Holy Ghost reference, one often used synonymously with Holy Spirit. A heavenly choir is yet another biblical reference (the sound 'AH' is a significant  sound in Tibetan Buddhism, Sufism, and conjoined with the bilabial consonant 'm,' is the primal sound human infants make universally: ma, mama, mom, mommy, etc. The trumpet blast, biblically, a shofar, a ram's horn, is said to herald the End of Time in the Book of Revelations.

These amplifications by themselves, without having a psychosocial history, suggest personal revelation from a transcendental aspect of your psyche, or the Self' in Jungian terms. The revelation comes from you of course, as does every element in a dream, but it appears to be coming from a choir of voices external to yourself. This suggests an 'Other,' and it appears heavenly or numinous. In a female, her contrasexual animus often appears as a group of male figures, often faceless. For a male, one's contrasexual feminine anima generally appears as a single figure, like Virgil's Beatrice in The Divine Comedy. But what you have here is both a multitude of voices merged plus a single message with no specific visual symbol attached. You may have undergone a conflict of masculine and feminine aspects of your psyche that were powerfully resolved, and that resolution was attended by a cathartic release of emotion while unconscious. This does not necessarily mean a resolution of sexual conflicts, but it could. A startling dream like this seems to be what Jung called a "Big Dream," and uses archetypes of a biblical flavor indicating a profound moment of truth, the herald of the end of the world as one knows it. A heavenly trump heralds the end of the world and a primal AH is the first sound a neonate makes exiting the womb - a new life, all suggests the end of one stage or level of being and the entrance into a new one.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21881833 - 07/01/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Dream interpretation requires knowledge of more than the dream. Your current state of affairs, any remarkable changes that have occurred recently, and what thoughts you have been preoccupied with are essential for any analyst to venture 'amplifications' of the symbols that have arisen as the dream.From the data you have supplied, it seems apparent that biblical elements including the image of a bush, which even if not burning, is being shaken by the wind, and the wind is another biblical metaphor for the Spirit of God (the word pneuma means both wind and spirit in Greek). Add to that the idea of "ghost" plus a sense of the holy, and you have a Holy Ghost reference, one often used synonymously with Holy Spirit. A heavenly choir is yet another biblical reference (the sound 'AH' is a significant  sound in Tibetan Buddhism, Sufism, and conjoined with the bilabial consonant 'm,' is the primal sound human infants make universally: ma, mama, mom, mommy, etc. The trumpet blast, biblically, a shofar, a ram's horn, is said to herald the End of Time in the Book of Revelations.

These amplifications by themselves, without having a psychosocial history, suggest personal revelation from a transcendental aspect of your psyche, or the Self' in Jungian terms. The revelation comes from you of course, as does every element in a dream, but it appears to be coming from a choir of voices external to yourself. This suggests an 'Other,' and it appears heavenly or numinous. In a female, her contrasexual animus often appears as a group of male figures, often faceless. For a male, one's contrasexual feminine anima generally appears as a single figure, like Virgil's Beatrice in The Divine Comedy. But what you have here is both a multitude of voices merged plus a single message with no specific visual symbol attached. You may have undergone a conflict of masculine and feminine aspects of your psyche that were powerfully resolved, and that resolution was attended by a cathartic release of emotion while unconscious. This does not necessarily mean a resolution of sexual conflicts, but it could. A startling dream like this seems to be what Jung called a "Big Dream," and uses archetypes of a biblical flavor indicating a profound moment of truth, the herald of the end of the world as one knows it. A heavenly trump heralds the end of the world and a primal AH is the first sound a neonate makes exiting the womb - a new life, all suggests the end of one stage or level of being and the entrance into a new one.




About the burning bush in Exodus was and wasn't symbolic in some way, but in those days until around the late 1800"s that the people of those times had cleared the fields with fire before settling on it. But now we uses Bulldozers to clear the lands; and so now we can take our sandals off and walk on it after it has been cleared from debris; and by it not being consume by fire was symbolic for that God has left a portion of the tree for us, and which He hasn't given up. But the bush that has been shaken and the trumpet being blown in his dream it is symbolic for that God is going to shake up things in his life to get him to turn back to acknowledge Him as the way He has done to Paul. The multitude represent the body of Christ and which some parts of this body is missing.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #21882045 - 07/01/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was not interpreting. That is the job of the dreamer in the Jungian school. What I was doing was amplifying the dream-images/sounds, which is to say, providing associations from the gestalt of material which in this case seems mono-traditional. Your interpretation may not agree with the dreamer's but the dreamer has to then discern whether your interpretation simply appeals to him, or whether it carries a more accurate interpretation than his own. The latter choice is really not a choice because the dreamer is the final arbiter of interpretation and unlike the authoritarian Freudian school, the Jungians never insist on their interpretation. There is something to be said for the Gestalt school too. It asks the dreamer in what sense are you any of these things: a bush, wind, a choir of voices, etc.?

Farmers still clear land with fire. I drove by hundreds of acres of burning hemp in Nebraska many years ago. The biblical material has no such practicality in mind. It is Hebrew midrash which has been elaborated by Pardes (PRDS), the Jewish exegetical method of discerning which of four levels of interpretation of biblical material applies (literal, allegorical, symbolic or mystical). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(Jewish_exegesis) In this case, it is Sod, the mystical level which is the best fit. The Holy Fire about the 'burning bush' has been referred to as a being of the order Seraphim, which is ontologically closest to the God. God is formless and so this is a very high 'messenger,' or 'manifestation' of the Divine Will, above the other theoretical orders of celestial beings that are named in various places in biblical material (i.e., Cherubim, Thrones [Ophanim], Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principalities,  Archangels, and Angels).

Again, how the words of the dreamer are interpreted is his job, but you may be right with other amplifications. For example, the dreamer may be 'beating around the bush' as the expression goes, failing to go right to a certain issue (the allegorical bush). If a spiritual life is being avoided by the dreamer, you may well be correct. I would not identify a stated "bush" for a tree, regardless of the mythic source, biblical (Tree of Life, Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil), or a mythological tree of which there are many (the Ash of Yggdrasil in Norse mythology, the tree from which hangs the Golden Fleece in Greek myth, or the World Tree that can be found in lots of different mythologies besides Norse). So a mystical bush could refer to the one in Exodus, or an allegorical bush may be your amplification or mine, and so forth with every item in the dream. It will ultimately be up to the dreamer to decide.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21882968 - 07/01/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Some points, the bush in the dream seemed to me to have no significant value other than to show the wind was powerful and strong, sencing something big was coming.

I do agree that the mind and life I was living have to be mostly of personal factor, I was raised Christian from birth but certainly no expert, I had no idea of oneness with God as priar to thinking of him as outside and above any human being making him complete, to close to him for anyone but Jesus to have that title,,,but as I learned later in life that there is a fair amount of talk about being one with God in the bible, gospel of John, I believe some letters in the new testament.

And another thing, the voices were all male, about 5 or 7 of them, speaking at the time or slightly off from one another.

And I want more insightful replies like the above post, much appreciated, thanks for the insightful post, much interest.

And I'll tell you markos got my view when he mentioned the fact of looking for a ghost, I believe I got the holy ghost, or as I sometimes associate with Santana dharma as "OM (AUM)", the godly cosmic vibration spreading in the minds of the saints (and we all are called to be "Saints") giving them potential for "compassion, wisdom, and powers", or powers as st. Paul would call "gifts".

And five years after this dream, when I came to believe its Godliness, I've had I think about five more Jesus dreams, I'll tell them someday.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: saintdextro]
    #21883999 - 07/01/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Powerful dream. I often hate the word dream because in our Western society is seems to connote the unreal or imaginary, something to brush off and forget. I have had a few conscious experiences, call it a lucid dream, which I consider some of the most important moments of my life. I would personally interpret this as a run in with a transpersonal aspect of myself. The religious symbolism is lost on me, but I've had the choir of angels experience too. The dreams that you wake up crying from I always looked at it as a psychspiritual release valve being opened on some unconscious level - but it is bleeding through to your conscious level.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #21884709 - 07/01/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All accurate appraisals IMO. Dreams, like sex, like the sacrality of simply telling the truth (especially in low-class Miami) are all dismissed as meaningless. Where I live, people young and old will just as readily lie - even when they don't have to! - than tell the simple God's honest truth. Dreams don't lie, they only need to be interpreted, but like the simple truth of accuracy, people ignore them. Another HUGE concept is imagination. It's usually dismissed as something silly that belongs to childhood. In Jung's concept of "active imagination," one learns to have a dialogue with a person, or creature whom one has dreamed about. The difference here, is that in this practice, tit becomes interactive! I learned this technique from a book* and was completely incredulous, but one seems to get responses from your dream-beings that would not have occurred to you consciously. That's because your answers and your dream-being, derive from your unconscious. But instead of having to be asleep, one can learn to have dialogue while awake. I've seen this practice denounced as a form of magick by certain types of people, but whatever it is, it's very interesting!

* http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Work-Dreams-Imagination-Personal/dp/0062504312/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435801638&sr=8-1&keywords=inner+work%2C+johnson


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21884747 - 07/01/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very cool, it reminds me of this out-of-body traveler Bruce Moen who at times initiated his waking experiences by imagining a conversation with a dead relative and then letting the conversation take a life of its own.
Everything human invention, every skyscraper and math equation, first existed in the imagination. It seems to be the portal where we can grab genius, the muse - whatever you want to call it.


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #21884999 - 07/01/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everything human invention, every skyscraper and math equation, first existed in the imagination. It seems to be the portal where we can grab genius, the muse - whatever you want to call it.

True enough!


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Re: Interpret my dream [Re: saintdextro]
    #21892420 - 07/03/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Some points, the bush in the dream seemed to me to have no significant value other than to show the wind was powerful and strong, sencing something big was coming.

I do agree that the mind and life I was living have to be mostly of personal factor, I was raised Christian from birth but certainly no expert, I had no idea of oneness with God as priar to thinking of him as outside and above any human being making him complete, to close to him for anyone but Jesus to have that title,,,but as I learned later in life that there is a fair amount of talk about being one with God in the bible, gospel of John, I believe some letters in the new testament.

And another thing, the voices were all male, about 5 or 7 of them, speaking at the time or slightly off from one another.

And I want more insightful replies like the above post, much appreciated, thanks for the insightful post, much interest.

And I'll tell you markos got my view when he mentioned the fact of looking for a ghost, I believe I got the holy ghost, or as I sometimes associate with Santana dharma as "OM (AUM)", the godly cosmic vibration spreading in the minds of the saints (and we all are called to be "Saints") giving them potential for "compassion, wisdom, and powers", or powers as st. Paul would call "gifts".

And five years after this dream, when I came to believe its Godliness, I've had I think about five more Jesus dreams, I'll tell them someday.




Well, the bush does has to do with something about the dream, it is because you remembered it a or focused on it; you didn't have any clue of how long was the grass or any other thing that is in the dream that should been there. But since you had look through your window and saw a bush that was in your yard, but not your neighbor's or anyone else; and so it is a message for you to discern. Dream are messages from the spiritual realm, like in the ancient times, they believed that the spirits visited them while asleep and which when we are asleep, our minds is not focusing on the physical realm and so it is able to listen to the messages from the spiritual realm, giving us information to help solve problems and or to benefit ourselves. Einstein had received his information about E=MC while he was asleep and others as well, had came from their dreams. Ancient tribes had knowledge of things before we had schools; like penicillin, the tribes use to rub moldy bread on an infection on the body to help heal a wound. What could of had possessed them to do such thing by applying something that look so nasty to rub on a wound? They could of at least put on the wound tree bark or anything that seem to help. Something have to of had told them to do that. There are other things that they had done before our times. Newton himself believed so deeply in God, and he stated that anyone that has the ability to think, has to believe that there is a God.


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