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Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit
    #21876453 - 06/30/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I could really use some wise advice!! I'm a total newb and bought what seemed like the most simple and un-mess-up-able grow kit (poke holes, water, rest, drain, bag, grow!) It said in 10-12 days I should see some growth, but it's been 18 days and nothing!!

Im convinced I'm ruining it. I'm racking my brain to see if/where I went wrong. I followed instructions exactly but since then could any of these things messed it up:

- I had it sitting on tile floor with the liquid in the bag as the site directed. It's winter and I live in a concrete building so after 10 days thought it might be too cold, so I moved it onto a wood counter (not direct sunlight)
- I cooked once on the stove near the grow kit. Could smoke somehow have gotten into it and killed everything?
- I kept reading mixed info about whether to rest the kit in water in the bag (as seller instructed) or just mist it, so after 2 weeks I emptied the water out and have been misting daily

Is there any hope left?? Should I wait or bin it? Or is there any chance I could start over (poke holes, water, etc) with the same kit?

I've read through other 'not growing' posts but they're all a bit technical for me. I need Growkit-for-Dummies!! Please help a disheartened newbie out :smile:


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: krett]
    #21876490 - 06/30/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

18 days is a while, I almost always think nothing is going to happen then all of a sudden pins pop up so be patient and I would invest in a fruiting chamber and some perlite. Bit confused with you asking if you should re inoculate them. Has the mycelium fully colonized and did you let it consolidate for a week after? a few pictures of what your working will help. You should also be misting multiple times a day 4-5 appears to work. Just don't flood them a fine mist is what you need,  if you're serious buy cool mist humidifier but then you will have to move to a fruiting chamber. Post Pics


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #21876499 - 06/30/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Depending on where you are, low temps can slow/stall mycelium. Try to keep your temp above 70°F.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #21876501 - 06/30/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pics would help.

Spores can take up to 3 weeks to germinate. If your bag isn't completely white then you aren't fully colonized.

Stories like this are why grow kits are so frowned upon. The failure rate is too high and the amount of money spent is ridiculous for what you get.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21876797 - 06/30/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks so much for responding, I really appreciate it!

I don't know if I'm adding these photos correctly, let's see if they work...

Photographed through the bag:


Photographed from the top:


When we first received the kit there were already blotches of the mycelium white stuff. We poked it and did the water soak for 12 hours as instructed. I don't think that much more has appeared since then. Do I have a dud?

@Laughingcowwa - my re-inocoluation question is just a desperate hope that I could start fresh and fix whatever I've done wrong. lol wishful thinking.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: krett]
    #21878369 - 06/30/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How's the smell? That could be tomentose myc or it could be some funk.

Regardless. I would close the top of that bag and put it on a shelf and let it sit. Theres really not much else that can be done. If it fruits then you'll know for sure.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21878410 - 06/30/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong. There is something you can do. They need FAE! That's a major pinning trigger. It'll make sure there's evaporation. Grow kits suck and need a keen eye, and a good grower to completely change it up. You have to know what they need (contrary to what the kit people tell you) to successfully grow a kit. If you're experienced though why the hell are you growing in kits? Best thing to do is get a shotgun fruiting chamber and put that tray into it. Poke holes into the bag if need be. A small amount on the bottom near the surface of the sub and a large amount on the top. YOU JUST NEED CONSTANT FAE.

I know what you're going to say. What about contamination? If you maintain a good amount of fae, it'll keep bacteria down and thus contamination can't thrive. Keep the surface glistening (just like how your pics show) by misting. Mist when it doesn't look like that. That's how you'll get pins man. Seriously doubt it's a dud. The grow kit manufactures just suck dick and can't give you bags meant to grow mushrooms.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: Mad Season]
    #21878794 - 06/30/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

@wildernessjunkie - it smells okay. I'm not really sure what it should smell like, but doesn't really smell like much. Definitely not a rank or offensive smell though. Hopefully that's a good sign.

@Mad Season - thank you for the advice! I've poked a bunch of holes using a safety pin - some on bottom, lots on top as you suggest. I've just used a pin so they are tiny holes, but should I make them larger, like with an Xacto knife? Sorry if these are stupid questions, this is my first attempt ever! Fingers crossed!


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: krett]
    #21878796 - 06/30/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah a pen or a knife is a better option


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: Mad Season]
    #21879024 - 06/30/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Listen to this guy, he knows what's up. I had no idea it was basically colonized by your description! Myc smells kind of like musty mushroom, and you might get hints of other smells from your substrate, but it definitely won't stink if all is well.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21879425 - 06/30/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms grow just fine in a filter patch bag. I grow invitro with sealed bags on the regular. And don't ooen them until ready to harvest.

That bag does have a filter right?


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21879519 - 06/30/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My experience on this forum says the opposite. A little filter isn't enough. Besides why would you want to do the bare minimum when you can maximize the results with a pen or a knife?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21690920
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21877551
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21608707
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21749659
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21802928

and many more. Just search my threads.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: Mad Season]
    #21879784 - 06/30/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think we are talking about two diffent things.

Those links all refer to grow kits. I agree that they suck and are a gian waste of money.

My last statement pertained specifically to invitro growing. When done right the results are fully acceptable and on par with other grow methods. The filter patch is enough.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14949477


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=255&Number=12903454&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=255&Number=12958966&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=5278987&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21879916 - 06/30/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This guy is using a grow kit. Read the opening thread. I agree invitrro works and is bad ass.

My guess is his grow kit based off the op is the same as: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21690920


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: Mad Season]
    #21879949 - 06/30/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I read the opening thread.

Grow kit in a bag, is the same as invitro.

The bag is the fruiting chamber. If the bag has a filter then its sufficient. As shown in those posts I linked.

There's no difference between raw sub in a bag and a container in a bag. OP has what is basically an invitro grow.

If he lets it sit and it doesn't contaminate, shrooms will grow just fine.


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Re: Help! Over 2 weeks and no growth in my first kit [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21879977 - 06/30/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Round and round we go. Go to my links and they're all grow kits done invitro that I told to poke holes into. They turned into mushrooms that are thriving. Not long and lanky.

In the posts you linked it worked but they definitely had the lanky look of fae starved mushrooms. Like I said you can have gross fae starved or mushrooms that look nice. All it takes is a few strategically placed holes. Not sure why you're against it. It'll make it way better. I have yet to find someone who had it not work. Worse case scenario you just tape holes up if you poked too many. A good grower dials in their bag chambers to make their mushrooms thrive. Not just to keep them barely alive. I seriously doubt a little filter will keep co2 down under 1000 ppm. Which is our goal for fae in fruiting. I've grown mushrooms in colonizing trays I forgot about. They definitely don't look like the ones I see in a proper fruiting chamber, like the ones in my sig.

Ideally he should have it in a shotgun which is a chamber made for massive fae. It isn't a box with a filter for fae. It has hundreds of holes. In fact I don't know of any proven chambers without at least 6 holes that's been strategically placed to maximize fae. Fae is far more important than humidity. Which is why I'd rather have more fae and replacing hydration with misting over a small amount of fae to have humidity.


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