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Mum wants to try mushies
    #21875391 - 06/29/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is there any known medications she shouldn't cross with shrooms? She's on prozac. It's going to be a little fella I picked and dried. Less than a gram.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21875399 - 06/29/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shouldn't trip with prozac or any SSRI. Also, a 1 gram dose isn't a true mushroom experience imo. That's more of a micro-dose.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: HardTrippin]
    #21875479 - 06/29/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: 1g of straight up cubes isn't going to do much from my experiences and I don't recommend mixing with prescription drugs.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: HardTrippin]
    #21875487 - 06/29/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really want her to freak out, and even if I did, I'm not growing in bulk. Do you know what the side effects are would be with the prozac/ssri?


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: 2shoes]
    #21875492 - 06/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She's been on these pills every day for nearly two decades. :sad:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21875514 - 06/29/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think with ssri you won't trip or you have to take more to do so but I'm not expert. If I were in her spot I'd fast for 12 hours and skip my meds that day. Do lemon tek tea and see where that gets her. This is just what I would do not telling you to do it.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: 2shoes]
    #21875528 - 06/29/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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newbie2shoes said:
I think with ssri you won't trip or you have to take more to do so but I'm not expert. If I were in her spot I'd fast for 12 hours and skip my meds that day. Do lemon tek tea and see where that gets her. This is just what I would do not telling you to do it.




A friend of mine is on Pristiq (SSRI)
We tripped together and she tripped just as hard as I did, if not harder.
We were expecting diminished effects but got the opposite. Everyone is different though.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: jsncrs]
    #21875539 - 06/29/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So she'll either feel it a LOT of nothing at all?
It's a very small dose in my opinion - I don't want her to over-do it, considering how long it potentially lasts. (12 hours for me)


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21875550 - 06/29/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hard to say man, everyone's body reacts differently, probably depends on the medication too. I believe Pristiq is actually an SNRI as opposed to an SSRI. Not sure if that makes much difference.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: jsncrs]
    #21875564 - 06/29/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Perfect reason to legalize it right there - To further studies.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21875573 - 06/29/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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YaMoonSun said:
Perfect reason to legalize it right there - To further studies.




Absolutely mate. Just another way prohibition harms instead of helping.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: jsncrs]
    #21943627 - 07/14/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just wanna let you know, she had a pretty decent time. Wasn't a high dosage, but she apparently enjoyed herself. :super:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21943637 - 07/14/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

YaMoonSun said:
Just wanna let you know, she had a pretty decent time. Wasn't a high dosage, but she apparently enjoyed herself. :super:



:cookiemonster: Cool man. One day when shes ready to give it another go, go it 1.4


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21943653 - 07/14/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I may just do that. Maybe even 2G :super:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21943689 - 07/14/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Glad to hear man!! I'm going camping this weekend :vibin:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: 2shoes]
    #21943700 - 07/14/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like a blast, have fun buddy :cheers:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21944922 - 07/15/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My friend tripped fine but came off for 3 days prior to trying the mushrooms. She never took the ssris again as the mushrooms massively helped her depression.  She manages it with the odd htp5 now!


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: sarahnya]
    #21944933 - 07/15/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I so want my mother to try shrooms but she's so stuck up and is afraid to try them...

How did you persuade yours lol


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: sarahnya]
    #21944938 - 07/15/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She had never heard of them, I told her what they did and explained that they were impossible to become addicted to, and that they were organically home-grown.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21944985 - 07/15/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mine believes she'll jump out of a window and I've got some dark alterior motive. I think we have trust issues lol


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945268 - 07/15/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's lucky she felt something, SSRI's inhibit serotonin reuptake receptors in the brain and are widely known for inhibiting serotonin like trips such as shrooms.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: sudly]
    #21945306 - 07/15/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting :strokebeard: I wonder what her trip was like


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21945412 - 07/15/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'll see if I can get her to write a trip report on my iPad, and then I'll copy it word for word when I get time. Might be a few days, we're in the moving process currently.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945427 - 07/15/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That would be so cool.  I wish my mum was so open minded, she actually believes I'm going to end up a junkie.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: sarahnya]
    #21945559 - 07/15/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Serotonin syndrome is a risk but it's really rare. I took shrooms and various anti depressants for the treatment of migraine and chronic pain for years. Furthermore, doctors prescribe anti depressants and other tryptamines regularly for the treatment of migraine. The anti migraine drugs known as triptans are in the same family as psilocybin and they will be used in conjunction with drugs such as amitriptyline, duloxetine etc.

Anti depressants can reduce one's ability to get high on psychedelics though. However, not all anti depressants are the same and there is information stating that tricyclic anti depressants can increase the effects of psychedelic drugs.

Please be aware that the more serotonin agonists she's taking at once increases the risk of her developing serotonin syndrome. If one were taking anti depressants and tryptamines together and then started to add drugs such as tramodol, metoclopramide etc to the mix then negative drug interactions might be experienced.

I recommend researching this information yourself from authoritative sources because there is a lot of misinformation online.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: migraineur]
    #21945616 - 07/15/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Implying that in the future, she should avoid taking psych meds? I think it takes a while for it to get fully out of her system, and she had to slowly get off of them of they can cause seizures/stroke/sudden death. I used to take them when I was a teenager (with a prescription). They made me a suicidal/numb sociopath. Dunno how she functions on them, but she manages.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945632 - 07/15/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's true that SSRI's increase the risk of seratonin syndrome because they inhibit the reuptake of it which means there could be too much. This is highly unlikely unless someone takes ludicrous amounts of shrooms.

Next time she tries them out i'd recommend not taking her SSRI for one day prior. Although she's been on them for years so it may have side effects so obviously discretion is advised.

One use for SSRI's i've found is that they can prolong a shroom trip too, if you take one 2 hours after dosing shrooms, the effects seem to last up to 8-10 hours instead of the usual 4-6. I have a quick metabolism so the time frames may change for others.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945690 - 07/15/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's also interesting to note that microdosing psilocybin (0.4-0.8g dry shrooms) reaches the same intended outcome as SSRI's without any of the nasty side effects. Psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin which acts on the brains serotonin receptors much like SSRI's.

The difference is that SSRI's slowly increase serotonin levels by reducing the amount that is reabsorbed into the receptors while psilocin is quick and acts just like serotonin and is almost chemically identical. 

Almost everyone has taken vitamins in the morning or coffee to keep them going, why not a little boost of neurotransmitters to get through the day? I did it for two months and my productivity and general wellbeing sky rocketed.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: sudly]
    #21945778 - 07/15/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin



Call me a skeptic, but that just doesn't sound accurate at all. Do you have any links supporting said claim? I'm curious.

Quote:

Almost everyone has taken vitamins in the morning or coffee to keep them going, why not a little boost of neurotransmitters to get through the day? I did it for two months and my productivity and general wellbeing sky rocketed.



Yeah, I wanted to get some anti-depressants or anti-anxiety medications, but then I got anxious about going to see someone to prescribe them to me. I really need to get some.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945813 - 07/15/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, a phosphor is removed forming psilocybin into psilocin.
http://www.thinkingzygote.com/2011/09/how-magic-psilocybin-mushrooms-work.html
http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/2011/bielmeie_luke/Pharmacology.htm
http://magic-mushroom.com/psilocybin-mushrooms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin

All you have to do is be honest, they are used to treat anxiety, OCD etc and if you go to a doctor telling them you've been too anxious to even see them they're more than likely to recommend you take them.

If you really do need it, the doctors job is to give it to you. Millions of SSRI prescriptions are given out each year because most of the time they work, sometimes however the side affects are too much so people stop using them. Nausea, general weirdness for a week or two.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: sudly]
    #21945871 - 07/15/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was under the impression that the two were both acting independently. The psilocin, which emulates serotonin, and Psilocybin, which emulates DMT, with a natural monoamine oxidase inhibitor molecule :shrug:

I'm sure one day I'll get my meds :syringe:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945883 - 07/15/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My mom just tripped on some mushrooms with close family. I wish i was there. I would have taken some lsd and it would have been a great bounding experience i expect. This was her first time in 30plus years. Cheers to my my mom and yours.

Maybe 2.5 or 3 grams for next time will be good.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: LuckeyMA]
    #21945888 - 07/15/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gave my uncle a mushroom, was his first in 20 years. Feels kind of good to give back. :super:


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21945972 - 07/15/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Have them read the 'Shroomery Trip Levels' page.
Tell them to take their time and understand it.

Tell them you think starting at a level 1-2 experience once in a while would help them tremendously (depression, all problems).

Really it is possible you just have to know your mother well and know how to persuade/talk/present the idea to them.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21946147 - 07/15/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not trying to make it sound like a cult or anything, just going to see if they respect my judgement, and I'll make responsible trip choices based on their brain chemistry and emotional standpoints. I'm a good trip guide apparently.


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21946184 - 07/15/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Give her an eighth of liberty caps


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Re: Mum wants to try mushies [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21946194 - 07/15/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From what I've heard you can't grow them indoors and they're not common in the states. At least not my state. :facepalm3:

I've got some ATL #7 thought. Might try a rye cake one sooner or later. :super:


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