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1234go
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AroundtheSon said:Marijuana is a drug, it is addictive, and YES It does have side effects. Will it kill you? No, but to act like its the best thing since sliced bread, has zero negatives, and enhances your driving while curing your cancer at the same time is a JOKE.
I agree with all of that. Although I have a hard time calling plants/fungi "drugs".
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Re: Does Marijuana = H20? [Re: kr0nik0]
#21875251 - 06/29/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: ... As far as driving goes, I don't prescribe to the idea that driving while high is safer. In fact the opposite, and don't condone driving while high in any form. ...
+1 to this.
My medical cannabis prescription is precisely my reason for never driving.
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There are plenty of people who are honest about it... I have been smoking pretty regularly since I was around 11 years old...
Yes if I had not started smoking I could be better off for it but it also helped me deal with lots of anxiety and depression amongst other things.
If cannabis had not found me I might have been inclined to start drinking when all my friends did, which I never was interested in thanks to good ol herb.
So at least in my case yes I would be a better person in some ways without weed but it has helped in so many others I would be in the negative without it 
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Almond Flour said: Absolute bullshit and a prime example of what this thread is all about. Thank you for posting
A biased discussion of cannabis then? Because comparing alcohol and cannabis is pretty damn stupid as Mescal said.
Also, guys.... THC is a drug, cannabis is a plant with medicinal and recreational chemicals in it...
Sugar is a drug if you ask me, caffeine most definitely, guess what else? Food you eat has chemicals that effect your body in various ways, some more than others.
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drug drəɡ/ noun noun: drug; plural noun: drugs
1. a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.
Is ginger a drug becouse I drink it medicinally and it relaxes me? 
As for driving. Everyone is different guys. I know people who have been driving high for years. In fact some of the best drivers I know drive stoned constantly. I know people who can roll joints one handed while driving down backwoods country roads... Hell my mom can drive with her knees while rolling a cigarette better than many people I know can drive normally.
What about ll the people driving drunk or while abusing their pharm prescriptions? That is the real danger IMO.
I still think people should be tested to see how well they can drive stoned since everyone is different.
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Mescalean
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Mescalean said: OP would you say weed abuse is subjective to the person? Because Personally I work 40-60 hours a week depending on how busy( i work for a legal medical marijuana provider for a legitimate state licensed dispensary.) Because before work It's 2-3 dabs before im out the door in the morning... I used to smoke before football practice. Personally I felt it helps me focus in on my surroundings and what was going on around me (linebacker, needed to react to sight not the cadence.) 2 dabs before my full body workout today today. I'm 6'1 218 as of last weeks weigh in and personally I attribute a lot of my muscle mass to my smoking. Not because of weed directly, but I definitely would not be able to intake the calories I do without it... The heavy indicas also help my mind stop racing at night.
Your first post came off a little hostile toward the drug (it's a drug it effects the mind). Personally how I would put it is some people can't handle weed, although it may be few and far between it goes the same for any drug really. Some people can have a few drinks and be fine, some people turn into raging alcoholics. Personally I think if weed makes someone "lazy" or behave like a loser. Then they are already predisposition to be a lazy sack of shit and should just stay away from it. Alcoholism in your family? Stay away from that? Uncle liked coke waaaaayyyyy to much? You may too! It helps far far far more people than it hurts (if any considering the lazy ones hurt themselves really, blaming the weed is a pathetic crutch)
I hear what you are saying, but consider this. I work at a brewery, and yet I dont start my day with a few shots of vodka or a couple douple IPA's.
Just because you CAN do something, does it mean you should? Or that its beneficial for you? If you can accomplish all that shit while high. How much more so could you without it.
Lol your comparing 2 totally different drugs, one that declines health and one that shows actual health benefits. 100 percent without a doubt people can function better while high than tipsy or drunk. That argument is null.
I hear your point about potential without it, but how drugs effect everyone differently I think your confusing your personal experience with weed and being unproductive and my experience with weed. My experience thus far in life has been incredible focus/attention problems besides anything physical (shrink said something about how ADD people tend to go more towards the physical because of dat der dopamine release) My boss encourages me to smoke especially on trim days. Harvest days little bit of caffeine with the bud and im a machine. My mind doesn't focus on a million things not related to work but for instance when harvest all that runs around in it is "snatch that leaf that one that one" just at rapid fire. Pretty fuckin fast compared to alot of the others who work there.
Absolute bullshit and a prime example of what this thread is all about. Thank you for posting
How is it a prime example of bullshit? I'm sorry if you're one of the people who can't handle weed but you don't need to act like a dick head to the people it benefits.
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Re: Does Marijuana = H20? [Re: Mescalean]
#21875320 - 06/29/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can drive after drinking 4 beers perfectly fine and not kill anyone but it doesnt mean I am going to. Your argument is flawed. You can get the exact same amount of work done by drinking a small cup of coffee OR getting a full night sleep and not being a lazy ass.
Yet you continue to act like Marijuana is some kind of super drug that enhances your capabilities and enables you to function and a heightened level.
Bullshit, absolute horse shit and you know it. If you enjoy marijuana and it makes the work day better thats great bro! More power to ya. But you are a prime example for why it is illegal and no one takes it seriously to begin with
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Mescalean
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Caffeine and all uppers in general make me nauseated, not a very productive state. Like I said drugs effect people differently. Super powers no, certain strains sharpen the mind especially for physical labor fuck yes. Personally if I drink the next day I'm hit with depression. It's one of the reasons I don't drink anymore. Unlike weed that helps me focus and helps athletic goals, alcohol doesn't do anything positive for me. Zero health benfits. Brain and organ damage. You know alcohol lowers protein synthesis by 40 percent in athletes and lowers testosterone in men? Now ya do. I personally hate alcohol but do you see me going on a crusade and criticizing those who like it as full of shit alcholics? No. You are taking your subjective experience with a drug and applying it to all. Pretty much what a dickhead would do.
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My personal experience is that when you get high occasionally, yeah you're not gonna be productive whatsoever. You're just too stoned to think or couch locked or whatever.
But whenever I smoke for a few days in a row, it becomes much less of an intoxicating feel. You're still high, but can function pretty well. It's something that can have it's downsides just like anything else, but compared to other drugs, marijuana is safe.
And actually, marijuana has a lower LD50 than water, but you'd have to smoke a little over 3 grams of pure THC within 15 minutes. which is about 15 grams of 20% THC. While water's LD50 is 6 liters.
The point is, marijuana can be beneficial to plenty of people's lives. But it can also be habitually detrimental. People are creatures of habit, so if they smoke a few days in a row, they're more likely to just keep smoking. It's the same reason why a bunch of people will go eat at the same place all the time.
But there are plenty of people who are productive and smoke marijuana. Same with a lot of drugs really. It's just society only finds and focuses on the ones that fuck up.
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Almond Flour said: I can drive after drinking 4 beers perfectly fine and not kill anyone but it doesnt mean I am going to. Your argument is flawed. You can get the exact same amount of work done by drinking a small cup of coffee OR getting a full night sleep and not being a lazy ass.
Yet you continue to act like Marijuana is some kind of super drug that enhances your capabilities and enables you to function and a heightened level.
Bullshit, absolute horse shit and you know it. If you enjoy marijuana and it makes the work day better thats great bro! More power to ya. But you are a prime example for why it is illegal and no one takes it seriously to begin with
Pretty sure that attitude ^ is actually a better example of why cannabis is illegal...
Even the term "marijuana" was originally used in the US for fear mongering
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Marijuana should be equated to alcohol in this society, if not even safer than alcohol. Both of those are intoxicants.
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For real... Of course everything has a side-effect.
I drink coffee in the morning every day, I love it. It's a great drink. I gave it up for 30 days and didn't notice any difference in my wellbeing, so I started drinking it again despite the risks or side effects.
Same with weed. I love it. Some people smoke cigarettes, I vape weed and take dabs. The flavors, the smells. I love the whole process.
Weed is illegal because of a conflict of political and financial interests and the decades of propaganda that has been spread to further said interests. Not because a few people refuse to admit X or Y about the plant.
How about if real research could be conducted on the plant without getting vilified or discredited by the government and supporting scientific institutions. Instead, research on damn near anything patentable can be made into a drug one can obtain from their doctor, for any reason. That's ok because someone said so, because they know better than us.
This is a pretty worthless thread.
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Yup, better and forget this trash 
I honestly react worse to caffeine that cannabis 9/10 times. Gives me worse side effects, worse "withdrawals", and is overall less pleasant and helpful.
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Yeh its marijuana abuse thats the problem not the plant itself. If you inhale too much water ull die not so with cannabis water kills like way more people a year like prob like a bunch of thousands my cousin died in water u dick
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Fuck yeah. Caffeine withdrawals give me headaches and feel extra lethargic. They pass in a day or two. The weed side effects are pretty much unnoticeable for me.
I use cannabis medicinally though. I use it to treat vertigo, nausea, lack of appetite, and stress. It's one of the only things that actually works consistently. The pros vastly outweigh the cons, and it's far cheaper than paying for prescription meds out of pocket.
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daytripper05 said: Fuck yeah. Caffeine withdrawals give me headaches and feel extra lethargic. They pass in a day or two. The weed side effects are pretty much unnoticeable for me.
I use cannabis medicinally though. I use it to treat vertigo, nausea, lack of appetite, and stress. It's one of the only things that actually works consistently. The pros vastly outweigh the cons, and it's far cheaper than paying for prescription meds out of pocket.
And thats fantastic, im glad it helps you, lots of medicinal herbs help people. But lets be honest folks its a a pretty intense drug and YES does have side effects.
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I wouldn't consider weed intense.....
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Who here has said it is not a drug or that it does not have side effects?
All people have said is the side effects are minimal to none especially when compared to most other "drugs"
Also once again I would like to point out CANNABIS is a plant. THC is a drug.
You would not call poppies a drug, you would say they have the drug morphine in them...
If we are being honest I would say it is not an intense drug at all. Its effects can get intense for certain people but compared to most things it is not very intense.
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Re: Does Marijuana = H20? [Re: Mescalean]
#21875458 - 06/29/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: I wouldn't consider weed intense.....
I would, shit can get weird...quick. Especially with a past that contains some of the "Tripper" alternatives
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Stupidly strong overkill sativa dominant edibles can get really fucking intense really fucking quick.
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It's only intense when it's new and you're a lightweight.
Weed would either be far more popular or far less popular (I can't decide which) if every time you smoked it was like your first time all over again.
After a certain amount of uses effects start to degrade, regardless of tolerance. I can quit for a few years and smoke some amazing crystal coated bud, and it's still nothing compared to the first time I smoked which was on mexican brick, and I know this from experience.
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Re: Does Marijuana = H20? [Re: Shroomslip]
#21875503 - 06/29/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: It's only intense when it's new and you're a lightweight.
Weed would either be far more popular or far less popular (I can't decide which) if every time you smoked it was like your first time all over again.
After a certain amount of uses effects start to degrade, regardless of tolerance. I can quit for a few years and smoke some amazing crystal coated bud, and it's still nothing compared to the first time I smoked which was on mexican brick, and I know this from experience.
I disagree. I went a few years of not smoking to taking 1 hit off of home made water bottle bong. Some of Humboldts finest had peoples faces melting to the side of their skull I had no idea if I was insane, or what because all I knew was that there was NO WAY I was that high off simply "Marijuana". Turns out it was simply marijuana
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