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Mad Season
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21876073 - 06/29/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diacetylmorphine said: This thread has been completely derailed with people talking about FAE, all I wanted to know was if it was the first sign of pins forming. If there were problems I'd have made another thread.
Holy shit just post closeup pics then. We're just telling you what is the #1 needed thing with indoor grows. Fae. Humidity isn't even that important. Just hydration. If you posted pics in the first place I would have told you if it is knotting or not. Not what to do to increase the pinset and chances of pins(which I'd have done even if you had pics). Because without pics how the hell am I supposed to say it's knotting, contaminated, healthy, or what. If you don't like getting advice on your grows, then don't come on here. This is the shroomery. Cultivation should come with a label. "These people will tell you what to do and will have massive debates in your threads. If you don't like it try the hello kitty chat forum."
I got told in a few threads today except I didn't bitch about it because I know people are trying to help stop me from spreading bad information as well as improve my techniques and success. Also I just say it like it is. Idk why noobs seem to think it's high and mighty when I'm trying to help them succeed. Maybe it's because I'm not using emoticons.
EDIT: Try posting pics on the shroomery next time. I got into your cropped pics and there's knotting. That's that then. You're good.
Edited by Mad Season (06/29/15 11:28 PM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21876347 - 06/30/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Sold out" means shit. Listen to what people are telling you about it. Looks like pins are starting though. Let 'em breath, they need constant FAE of some sort not a breather now and again.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21876563 - 06/30/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah definitely looks like pinning today. As the pins grow larger I'll cut 4 more vents in the bag. When shrooms appear I'll consider removing the box from the bag. Just instructions running completely different to the manufacturer doesn't seem quite right to me. If they'd wanted more FAE all they'd need to do is supply a bag with bigger holes and "transfer over at the first sign of pinning", "once you see mushrooms grow to a larger size remove the box from the bag comepletely". Not complex and all it requires is one more bag.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21876588 - 06/30/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diacetylmorphine said: Got a link? Search isn't giving me anything. Cheers. Also as I mentioned before the tek needs to be reasonably stealthy, if you haven't fully read my OP fully read it. I live with my mother; but pay rent I'm 22 though she would probably be irritated if I started making huge fruiting tubs.
1. If you want stealth try a sclerotia grow for your next round.
2. If you are happy with your kit, fine, but don't blame people for trying to help you get better results. Yes, you have knots forming. But without proper fae nothing great will happen.
I will post pics later this week of a grow I am doing with no fruiting chamber inside my house that sits at 28c and less than 50% humidity with the windows open after rain. Humidity isn't as important as fae is after knotting and pins start to form.
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Diacetylmorphine
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21876756 - 06/30/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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EDIT: Try posting pics on the shroomery next time. I got into your cropped pics and there's knotting. That's that then. You're good.
I did, they uploaded then stuck at processing for over an hour, I'd planned to switch the links out for pics the second it 'processed' but I gave up after an hour and closed the tab.
Also when it comes to FAE shouldn't I cut holes in the bottom of the bag? CO2 being two oxygens heavier and all will naturally follow the fluid dynamic model and CO2 gas will vent out the bottom, pulling in the more oxygen rich air in through the top. Think of it as having a separating funnel containing oil and water with a tube vacuum sealed to the top of it; leading to a plastic container containing more oil and water that is being stirred, you want to get rid of the water and only keep the oil, so you let the heavier water drain out the bottom of the funnel and keep getting oil while losing the water by draining it out the bottom. Edit, capture vessels can be set up for water drainage (thick plastic sheeting on an incline into a cup) just in case the water causes the box to spawn any contaminants.
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Edited by Diacetylmorphine (06/30/15 06:40 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21876789 - 06/30/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diacetylmorphine said: Thank you.
There's a conflict of interests here; on one end I'm being told by the people who make these kits that I'm doing everything right, whereas I'm being told by you, who may not have had one of these kits that I'm doing it wrong. The tone as well felt (to me; it may not have been intended) very high and mighty.
Awwww, youre now fun:P Time to get serious I guess, as spacechildo stated, its up to you to decide who has the most interest in you succeeding, the ppl who dont get payed for this or the ppl who already have your money.
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Diacetylmorphine said: I get where you're coming from, however if the kits sucked they certainly wouldn't sell as well as they do (some strains being sold out on certain websites) nor get 4 and 5 star reviews.
Actually they would, because having a white thumb is something different than a green one entirely. The companies know this, so they dial up the minimum parameters alot in order to make sure you "succeed". But if you take a look at some of the pictures in the signature of the ppl that are answering you, youll get where THEY are coming from. Take that into account when being "rained down" by tips you dont want;)
Or otherwise consider this: Theres a red spot on your sack, so naturally you go see a doctor about it. Meanwhile he tells you you have cancer in one of your nuts, what do you do?
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Galba Cubensis]
#21876919 - 06/30/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Galba Cubensis said: Or otherwise consider this: Theres a red spot on your sack, so naturally you go see a doctor about it. Meanwhile he tells you you have cancer in one of your nuts, what do you do? 
Well it depends? Is the cancer fatal? Are they gonna have to chop off one of my nuts? Will highly precise radiation work, making me sterile in that nut but still able to produce sperm from the other nut? If it was fatal I'd take as many drugs as possible, go skydiving on DMT, beat the living daylights out of anyone I've an issue with et cetera. If it was any of the others I'd let the doctors perform the medical procedure required.
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Edited by Diacetylmorphine (06/30/15 07:52 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21876926 - 06/30/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The point is, nobody is paying attention to the red spot anymore as there is something much more important on the agenda, finding out what to do about the cancer as you said;)
Id love to tell you if its pinning, but Im too nooby atm, sry bro:)
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Edited by Galba Cubensis (06/30/15 07:57 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Galba Cubensis]
#21877014 - 06/30/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Galba Cubensis said: Id love to tell you if its pinning, but Im too nooby atm, sry bro:)
It looks exactly like the pictures of hyphal knots, which is apparently the beginning of the pinning process. Already one knot, although still minuscule is taking more of a pin like form. Hopefully I should have shrooms in a week if I'm right, then do a second flush, then take the myc and sub out of the box, flip it, do a flush or two then break it up into four 'cakes' to see if I can get a final flush out of it. Then I'm sorely tempted to rinse the mycelium until I'm left with nothing but myc, extract the psylocybin/psylocin and drink that.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21877072 - 06/30/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then I'm sorely tempted to rinse the mycelium until I'm left with nothing but myc, extract the psylocybin/psylocin and drink that.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21877158 - 06/30/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where I come from we use all the buffalo.
Anyway here are the most recent pics? Start of pinning? I think so. Here are todat's images. One had a bit of reflections off the plastic so I put on a circular polarizing filter and took another. It's clearer, but stil not as perfect as it would without a bag in the way.


Sorry that the depth of field is really narrow, had to shoot the photos with the lens wide open (f1.4 MFT)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21877182 - 06/30/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diacetylmorphine said: Hopefully I should have shrooms in a week if I'm right, then do a second flush, then take the myc and sub out of the box, flip it, do a flush or two then break it up into four 'cakes' to see if I can get a final flush out of it. Then I'm sorely tempted to rinse the mycelium until I'm left with nothing but myc, extract the psylocybin/psylocin and drink that.

please don't do that. flush it until it dies. if you break it up, it will expend more energy trying to repair itself than create fruits. i have a substrate that is on its 7th or 8th flush. it looks very "fragile" but im going to let it do its thing and see how long it lasts. and dont drink the mycelium, you won't trip.
edit: yea those pics looks like its knotting up. also use a tripod if you have one and leave the shutter open to capture more light instead of using a wide aperature.
Edited by FriedEgg (06/30/15 09:27 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21877211 - 06/30/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im with you man, look like the real thing, but you cant listen to me:)
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Diacetylmorphine said: Then I'm sorely tempted to rinse the mycelium until I'm left with nothing but myc, extract the psylocybin/psylocin and drink that.
Wait what?? You gotta teach me that! If you succeed be sure to write a tek about it!
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Edited by Galba Cubensis (06/30/15 09:36 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Sksoul]
#21877260 - 06/30/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sksoul said: I will post pics later this week of a grow I am doing with no fruiting chamber inside my house that sits at 28c and less than 50% humidity with the windows open after rain. Humidity isn't as important as fae is after knotting and pins start to form.
Could be true. I've heard that mushrooms actually grow outdoors without any sort of FCs whatsoever, but who can say.
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Mad Season
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21877425 - 06/30/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diacetylmorphine said: If they'd wanted more FAE all they'd need to do is supply a bag with bigger holes and "transfer over at the first sign of pinning", "once you see mushrooms grow to a larger size remove the box from the bag comepletely". Not complex and all it requires is one more bag.
Well that works, or just a bag with more or bigger holes that are taped up, then take off tape works too. I've been emailing them and leaving reviews saying what you're saying for awhile now. I have been seriously pissed off that they don't listen. So much so that I don't even recommend people ever buy grow kits unless they have enough experience to know what mushies need by looking at them. Those kits need to get rigged more often than not. It isn't uncommon to have to poke 10+ holes. However why would a seasoned grower buy a grow kit? He can get mushrooms out for under 10$.
Like friedegg said before, it's in their best interest to make it work without any work from the buyer. They don't trust people to grow properly, and they'd probably have to give out lots of refunds due to people messing it up. There's a fine line between substrate too dry and substrate too wet. They want to give you something where you basically don't touch anything and get gross, long, lanky, bacterial, small yielding fae deprived mushrooms. At least the growers get mushrooms.
Best part about bag work is you can poke 30 holes, and if it's too much you can tape them back up. It's also known as dialing in your fruiting chamber 
Also just leave it be until it's flushed out. Don't try eating mycelium or extracting actives. Especially with a grow kit. You have no idea how it was made. Might be different if it was your own prepared grains and what not. If anything you should read up on cloning and spore printing, and clone the best fruit you get. Then start up with a good clone and have lots of spores to work with.. At least you get a head start when wanting to grow your own
Edited by Mad Season (06/30/15 10:46 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Mad Season]
#21877505 - 06/30/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, I'll definitely be taking a spore print. Might take a few in a pattern and have the paper I printed them onto laminated and stuck up on my wall.
Also I sprayed a tiny amount of water on the box itself, the mycelium looks somewhat slimy under a bright light; is this normal? As for everything else, I can see some of the first knots taking on a pin like shape now (fat body tiny head) so I'm hoping to harvest in a week if all goes well.
Since people keep talking about FAE, wouldn't two holes on the bottom of the bag be best? that way CO2 'pours' out of them being heavier than air and pulls in fresh air through the holes in the top.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21877513 - 06/30/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes. Less small holes on the bottom to maintain surface humidity/evaporation for pinning and more holes/bigger ones on top for air circulation. That's also how a monotub fruiting chamber works. Make sure the bottom holes are a little higher than the tray/at surface level.
If the mycelium looks glistening wet with no pooling water, it should be fine.
Edited by Mad Season (06/30/15 10:55 AM)
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
#21877536 - 06/30/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diacetylmorphine said: Since people keep talking about FAE, wouldn't two holes on the bottom of the bag be best? that way CO2 'pours' out of them being heavier than air and pulls in fresh air through the holes in the top.
Yea small holes at the bottom should be fine. But I don't think it's so much about CO2 pouring out the bottom because it's heavier... Your fruiting chamber is not a static container. It has a heat producing organism at the bottom and holes all over the place. I'm not going to try to guess at what kind of physics is happening inside that thing. I'm sure it's different with every fruiting chamber too.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: FriedEgg]
#21877587 - 06/30/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yet another grow kit thread. Except this guy followed the grow kits directions. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21877581/vc/1#21877581
Don't let it get like this.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Mad Season]
#21877593 - 06/30/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: And yet another grow kit thread. Except this guy followed the grow kits directions. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21877581/vc/1#21877581
Don't let it get like this.

we need a "I bought a grow kit and it's not working" sub forum
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