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    #21874571 - 06/29/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys I know you're going to berate me for not using your teks but there's a number of reasons I'm using a growbox.

- I live with my mother (I'm 22 and pay rent so I can tell her a room is my space and not to invade it) so chances of getting caught; in which I would just tell her to wise up and that mushrooms are bloody harmless anyway and to leave them alone, it's not like the mushroom patrol call to the door every other day.

-I wanted something fast, I've never tripped on shrooms before, the kit cost £33 which isn't too much; I'm more of a chemist than a mycologist so I've always been a hands on very little waiting type of guy. Usually I make DMT using a STB tek, which can yield DMT literally overnight. Waiting weeks for something just isn't my thing.

So now we've got that out of the way, I need to ask if this is the start of pinning? I got the box out of the bag (in a clean area of course; with scrubbed down hands and forearms) and used my DSLR to take a couple of shots of them. I also went up close with 2 silky scarves of said mother tied round my mouth and nose. I noticed the mycelium (despite growing a bit) had to form small round balls of mycelium and lots of them. I've had the tub 5 days now (as I've said, patience is not my strong point; I can be patient while I'm getting ready for the next batch of DMT to go into the freezer but not while I'm sitting on my ass doing nothing.
Anyway the growbox is in a room which is a constant 23 degrees, I humidify if I see no signs of humidity (ie no condensation on the bag) and generally take care of my babies. They're Albino A+ if that matters, I just wanted white mushrooms, thought it looked kinda cool (as I've said, mushrooms are nigh impossible to get here unless you're lucky enough to pick up some libs around Autumn so I just picked something visually appealing) and they're apparently pretty potent too (though there is contention on this point) but I digress, I'll get links to the pics posted (your forum probably won't like the filesize, 8mb JPEGs are a little large) Apparently I can upload images but due to their huge filesize I'll drop them in instead of the links after. It's been processing quite a while now.

Uncropped 'crop'

Crops of my crop, to give a closer look as I'm not sure how far you can zoom with the above link.

PS: Please try to spare me the photos of money down the toilet and stuff, I know they're overpriced, but they're quick. Nature is too slow for my liking, hence my love of chemistry, where unless you're doing a large multi step tek you can wrap things up in a day or two.
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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21874592 - 06/29/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No STAL. :frown:

Condensation isn't humidity. It's the effect of a temperature difference in a climate above 10% humidity. Look up dew point.

You want the surface to be shimmery/glistening but NO POOLING water. Don't worry about anything else. Nor even the bag. Also post pics of your setup. If it's a grow kit I can almost guarantee there's not enough fae.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Mad Season]
    #21874656 - 06/29/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Since it's a grow kit (supa gro) I know there isn't enough FAE (Yes I did my homework, mycelium has to breathe, it's not a plant so it can't make it's own O2 thus we must exchange air to keep CO2 from building up) through those tiny holes so I usually roll the bag pushing all the air out until most of the bag is rolled or crushed inward (but not touching the box or the myc), I give it a minute for the co2 to fall off the box I have it on and then I put the bag back in it's original state. This essentially turns the bag into a plastic lung, exchanging air without opening the bag.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21874775 - 06/29/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Does this happen every 5 minutes? Cause that isn't fae.. fae is the CONSTANT exchange of co2. Your co2 has to CONSTANTLY be below 1000 ppm. Adding more holes (poking with a knife) increases fae. What you're doing is just exchanging humidity to have more evaporation to initiate pinning. A chamber with enough fae doesn't need to get fanned for evaporation. It has enough fae to have constant evaporation.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Mad Season]
    #21874844 - 06/29/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Does it really need that much FAE? I know it's an animal (sort of) and animals need O2 but it definitely can't be respirating so much that you need to exchange air every 5 mins or poke more holes. Insects can go without air for over 24 hours and be fine, this moves a lot less (and thus requires less energy) than insects) so I'd feel having huge gaping holes would just be an easy way for infection to get in. I was assuming it was pinning as this is listed as the pinning phase (knots) in the cultivation thread with an image like this. They look really, really similar.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21874872 - 06/29/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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- I live with my mother (I'm 22 and pay rent so I can tell her a room is my space and not to invade it) so chances of getting caught; in which I would just tell her to wise up and that mushrooms are bloody harmless anyway and to leave them alone, it's not like the mushroom patrol call to the door every other day.

I wanted something fast, I've never tripped on shrooms before, the kit cost £33 which isn't too much; I'm more of a chemist than a mycologist so I've always been a hands on very little waiting type of guy. Usually I make DMT using a





Those back to back statements are bad news for this hobby. Yes FAE is important, you want a number of exchanges per hour. Look into eukaryotes and cellular respiration. Let them breathe.  If you provide proper environment and have clean spawn then I will bet you will see some pins. Stop obsessing about it.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21874905 - 06/29/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't believe these got compared to insects. Sure insects can survive 24 hours without DYING.. they're also a fraction the size of a substrate. Why would you want your mushrooms to die? Also they grow outside in an environment with literally billions of contaminations all around them. Once fully colonized they fight and stop other molds from germinating. Clean environments are needed during colonization. Fruiting is done in open air.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21874925 - 06/29/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if u got the same shit in ur box thats in that pic then yes u hav pins. but if u want them 2 make it then listen to what people that kno tell u instead of bringing up references 2 bugs and animals which aint got shit 2 do with what ur tryin 2 achieve


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: professorFATTYCAP] * 1
    #21875220 - 06/29/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Firstly and I don't want to piss anyone off, but I find all of this rather condescending in tone; if you didn't mean it to sound that way I apologise in advance.
I've used a knife to cut 4 extra 'slit type' holes where I've cut a cross in the bag, however; people who I know have used these exact same kits and followed the instructions in the video to the book and got massive flushes. Personally I feel that if it was O2 starved it wouldn't have grown at all, yet it grew rapidly.

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I can't believe these got compared to insects. Sure insects can survive 24 hours without DYING.. they're also a fraction the size of a substrate. Why would you want your mushrooms to die? Also they grow outside in an environment with literally billions of contaminations all around them. Once fully colonized they fight and stop other molds from germinating. Clean environments are needed during colonization



I wouldn't want my mushrooms to die I was pointing out that a much more complex organism can survive underwater for extended periods of time; with a much higher metabolic rate so mycelium with air holes should easily be able to survive, especially if I'm using the bag as a 'plastic lung' every few hours. Most of the mycelium is underneath substrate too, how on earth could air reach that.

Sorry if I sound a little annoyed, though I feel the guys who make these kits (yes I know overpriced; I just want to trip on shrooms as they're on my bucket list) don't want them to fail as word of mouth would spread quickly that they're terribad. However all I've heard is good things about them, except that they are overpriced. As well as that I asked if this was the first sign of them pinning and I get lectured on air exchange. It's completely derailed the thread.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21875275 - 06/29/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fine then don't listen to me. I'm not getting paid to tell you. I've just told more than 20 people in the last month to poke more holes into their grow kits bags. What do I know though... you didn't even post pictures.. :shrug: so I told you what you could do to increase your chances. Increase fae and mist directly to maintain hydration. Read my first and second posts. Go to my posts and I guarantee I've repeated the same thing in every 4 posts. Sorry for sharing my experience.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21875286 - 06/29/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody's being condescending little fellow, just listen to what the experienced users are telling you buddy:wink:


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21875421 - 06/29/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually I did listen to you, I cut 4 more holes about 5x the size of the others.
I can post pics if you want but it's just a supagro bag on top of a box, hold on a moment.
As I said, I felt you were being condescending, if that was not the case I had already apologised in advance.
As well as that the thread was about pinning, but if your intentions were solely to help me with this kit I'm very thankful.

Edit: Here's a pic of my setup

The pennies are for luck, no shit. :grin:

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Nobody's being condescending little fellow, just listen to what the experienced users are telling you buddy;)



Thank you.

There's a conflict of interests here; on one end I'm being told by the people who make these kits that I'm doing everything right, whereas I'm being told by you, who may not have had one of these kits that I'm doing it wrong. The tone as well felt (to me; it may not have been intended) very high and mighty.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21875567 - 06/29/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the difference is we do this for free and have absolutely no gain whether you fail or not.
those guys want you to buy their kits. it "works" but it sucks.

we know what the mushrooms want.
the kit people know what customers want to hear.

who do you listen to?


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Mad Season]
    #21875657 - 06/29/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would you want your mushrooms to die?






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seriously man, give them the FAE they need.  don't let them die, that's just cruel. :tongue2:


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: spacechildo]
    #21875677 - 06/29/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I get where you're coming from, however if the kits sucked they certainly wouldn't sell as well as they do (some strains being sold out on certain websites) nor get 4 and 5 star reviews.

I think it's a bit of both and as I've said I'm unsure if the mushrooms have started to pin yet, once I start getting full growth I'll probably make more vent holes so the mushrooms can breathe, or remove it from the bag completely.

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seriously man, give them the FAE they need.  don't let them die, that's just cruel



The second I would see any failure to thrive I would start getting the shrooms back on track.

This thread has been completely derailed with people talking about FAE, all I wanted to know was if it was the first sign of pins forming. If there were problems I'd have made another thread.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21875692 - 06/29/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All of this nonsense can be avoided OP. EvilMushroom posted a thorough tek that is a decent starting point to get away from kits. If you scroll down to point #5 it is about building a shot gun fruiting chamber. Get your cake out of that bag and into one of those.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324#15223324



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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21875696 - 06/29/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the sellers of those kits err on the side of low FAE/high RH because it's simply safer for THEM.  If your kit dries out, you're pretty much fucked and they'll get lots of complaints.  But if mycelium sits long enough in a high RH / low FAE environment, it'll eventually pin.  The fruits will suck but at least there will be some fruits.  At which point they can blame poor performance on genetics or something else besides their instructions.




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All of this nonsense can be avoided OP. EvilMushroom posted a thorough tek that is a decent starting point to get away from kits. If you scroll down to point #5 it is about building a shot gun fruiting chamber. Get your cake out of that god damn bag and into one of those.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324#15223324
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I think he'll be fine with the bag.  He just needs to make sure he balances the FAE/RH properly.


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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21875719 - 06/29/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Got a link? Search isn't giving me anything.
Cheers.
Also as I mentioned before the tek needs to be reasonably stealthy, if you haven't fully read my OP fully read it. I live with my mother; but pay rent I'm 22 though she would probably be irritated if I started making huge fruiting tubs.


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    #21875808 - 06/29/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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- I live with my mother (I'm 22 and pay rent so I can tell her a room is my space and not to invade it) so chances of getting caught; in which I would just tell her to wise up and that mushrooms are bloody harmless anyway and to leave them alone, it's not like the mushroom patrol call to the door every other day.

I wanted something fast, I've never tripped on shrooms before, the kit cost £33 which isn't too much; I'm more of a chemist than a mycologist so I've always been a hands on very little waiting type of guy. Usually I make DMT using a





Those back to back statements are bad news for this hobby. Yes FAE is important, you want a number of exchanges per hour. Look into eukaryotes and cellular respiration. Let them breathe.  If you provide proper environment and have clean spawn then I will bet you will see some pins. Stop obsessing about it.




read and commented on. There is a link to one of many SGFC teks in my post above. EvilMushroom breaks it down in Point # 5.

If you get really frisky look into http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: Growbox 100% cultivated. Is this the start of pinning? Pics, high res and crops (photographic crops. [Re: Diacetylmorphine]
    #21875891 - 06/29/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I get where you're coming from, however if the kits sucked they certainly wouldn't sell as well as they do (some strains being sold out on certain websites) nor get 4 and 5 star reviews.




I give those people 0-star reviews all the time, they never stick :shrug:
they sell as well as they do because they promise a ton. I've seen tons of pics from mushrooms dying in choke bags like that and the poster says "there's a filterpatch for air intake" and stuff
while its actually a filter patch for GE, to let some gases out.


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