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Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms
    #21874532 - 06/29/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874548 - 06/29/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try horse poo. :shrug: all I use. I've done TONS of MS, and not a single persons complained. I know genetics is a big role in making certain subs be more potent, I just haven't had potency issues on manure.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Mad Season]
    #21874593 - 06/29/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My friends liked grows with the pf tek brf/verm. They always tell me it's so potent and "best they've ever had". And then I try it and think it's garbage because I know what true potent shrooms should be like. that's not what I MEAN BY POTENT. The idea of potency is not just "feeling it" :feelspokeman:  :Feelstrippyman:  :feelsparanoidman:  :feelshighman:  but actually "FEELING IT" :vibin::awecid::trippinbawelz: :inlove3: . If that makes sense.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874609 - 06/29/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Drying techniques, genetics, maybe substrates too.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874615 - 06/29/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Idk then eat more.. when you drink liquor sometimes you can drink 6 pack+ and sometimes you're drunk on 2 cans. It's called mindset, and works with shrooms too. Also there's natural tolerances to consider. However it can be genetics too. That's why working with clones is better. Especially on stuff like coir and pf tek.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: oontribe]
    #21874626 - 06/29/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

drying and substrate is not the issue. Everybody keeps saying genetics but what the hell does that even mean?


Does 1 gotta keep growing the same strain until all of a sudden theres a mutation in the genes and turns incredibly magically potent or something?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874632 - 06/29/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874634 - 06/29/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Eating more is not the answer. That's like saying smoke a lot of bunk weed... you'll get higher... Nope. I'd rather smoke .5g of some bomb ass strain of weed than 5grams of bunk weed and still feel nothing.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: PussyFart]
    #21874639 - 06/29/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well than tell me how you do it? Cuz 2-3 years later and I'm still not able to find the potency that I crave and desire. It's getting absurd.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874645 - 06/29/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Read this. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21365919

It shows there's 10 million spores in a speck of black. When you shoot 1 cc per jar, you're shooting hundreds of millions of genetics all with their differences (mutations). Every mushroom on that jar will be different genetics because of the overload of genetics. Cloning and isolating genetics makes things more stable.

And yeah it is true. Eat more for better results. Smoke more to get higher.. what are you even saying?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #21874652 - 06/29/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try growing some exotics if cubensis aren't strong enough for you.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Mad Season]
    #21874655 - 06/29/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What i'm saying is if you eat bad genetic shrooms... no matter how much more you eat... you'll just have a worst and worst trip. Versus... If you eat good genetic shrooms... the more you eat... the trip gets better and better and better.

The same with weed. You can smoke 5 grams of bunk weed and still feel NOTHING. vs .5 grams of good weed and get high as fuck


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874661 - 06/29/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

rpw,

I would not move on to other unfamilar shrooms if i can't even figure out cubes. But i know, from past experiences, that cubes have the potential to be EXTREMELY magical. It's just rare to find is what im saying


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874669 - 06/29/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: RyeJar]
    #21874680 - 06/29/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i won't get into penis envies, pan cyans, azurescens, or none of the other ones until I've mastered cubes.

I have a good feeling that the other varieties of shrooms may have you eating less for potency but as far as finding good genetics for them so that you can eat less and have a good trip will be hard also.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874690 - 06/29/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rpw,

I would not move on to other unfamilar shrooms if i can't even figure out cubes. But i know, from past experiences, that cubes have the potential to be EXTREMELY magical. It's just rare to find is what im saying




Then you should probably look into isolating on agar. If you're starting from MS and are having consistent problems with potency, some other factor is coming into play. Maybe it's your drying like others have said, but in my experience unpotent shrooms aren't too common of an occurrence.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874696 - 06/29/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I get what you're saying, but try cloning lots of genetics and testing them out and saving the best ones. Also try working with manure.

Weed and shrooms are very different. Weed is a lot more dependant on the grower to not be bunk, whereas a good shroom grower can still have bad genetics and bad shrooms. I have yet to complain from manure, and its all i work with. 3 grams messes me up close to the level of 2 hits of good acid.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: RPW]
    #21874703 - 06/29/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've tried isolating on agar. fruited 30 different monocultures. Garbage. Waste of my time and energy. Oh, and to eat them all.... You've got to be joking.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874705 - 06/29/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is it also possible this lack of potency is due to your own body chemistry? After extended continued use, your brain chemistry will start to shift. Fewer receptors are made for the chemical to bind to, that sort of thing. Is it possible that rather than your mushrooms being less potent, you've just begun to build up a tolerance?

(This is an honest question, I have no experience with using shrooms so I am just basing this off my knowledge of general neuroscience and biochemistry)


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: matsc]
    #21874721 - 06/29/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

tolerance is gone completely after a week. After that your shroom trip will be just as good as the first time you've ever done it. FOREVER


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874755 - 06/29/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tolerance is gone completely after a week. After that your shroom trip will be just as good as the first time you've ever done it. FOREVER



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    #21874759 - 06/29/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: matsc]
    #21874763 - 06/29/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So basically you've had the few trips that hit you hard without eating too much. Kinda like how I had 1 beer last night and got wasted.. which isn't normal. I think you just have a high natural tolerance, since your friends love them, and you think they're bunk. In which case eat more. As said before.

Your tolerance went down on a few occasions/you were more susceptible to it, and you had a great trip. That's mindset being fucky. Not every trip will be the same after a week of tolerance. There's more to tolerance than just the time frame since the last time the drug was taken. Everything will effect it. Natural hormones, receptors available with and without serotonin, mood, setting, goals, etc. In a nutshell that's mindset.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874765 - 06/29/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tolerance is gone completely after a week. After that your shroom trip will be just as good as the first time you've ever done it. FOREVER




No tolerance is not completely gone after a week. Using weekly will cause you to build a big tolerance over time. I am not the only one who has noticed this.


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    #21874791 - 06/29/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

for real the after effects of mushrooms on your neuro chemistry can last months after you trip. That is the truth right there.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874804 - 06/29/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Then what do you want us to tell you.  You have gotten the correct answers


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: RyeJar]
    #21874814 - 06/29/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21874841 - 06/29/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tolerance is gone completely after a week. After that your shroom trip will be just as good as the first time you've ever done it. FOREVER



:thisisheavyman:




Indeed. Give yourself a longer break. Get into manure and isolates. You won't regret it.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21874937 - 06/29/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i won't get into penis envies, pan cyans, azurescens, or none of the other ones until I've mastered cubes.

I have a good feeling that the other varieties of shrooms may have you eating less for potency but as far as finding good genetics for them so that you can eat less and have a good trip will be hard also.





penis envy is a cube and its just as easy to grow PE as it is B+...PE just may take a little longer...


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875000 - 06/29/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've tried isolating on agar. fruited 30 different monocultures. Garbage. Waste of my time and energy. Oh, and to eat them all.... You've got to be joking.



dude ur full of shit.unless ur an acid head burnout 5 grams of the weakest booms ive put out would drop u off in an alternate dimension and i barely know what im doin.u must b an oddity


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875059 - 06/29/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well than tell me how you do it? Cuz 2-3 years later and I'm still not able to find the potency that I crave and desire. It's getting absurd.




Grow Penis Envy.

Cubensis are a "mildly" potent mushroom.  The only ones that are going to be super potent are the super killer clones you take or the isolates that you spend years testing.

Or you could buy some Penis Envy spores, a strain that was already pampered and stabilized as a killer potent cubensis.

Friends who try my regular cubensis clones and MS grows are happy with the potency.

People who try my MS PE's come back and say 'I fried my sack off dude' :tripping:


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875121 - 06/29/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i won't get into penis envies, pan cyans, azurescens, or none of the other ones until I've mastered cubes.

I have a good feeling that the other varieties of shrooms may have you eating less for potency but as far as finding good genetics for them so that you can eat less and have a good trip will be hard also.




Penis envy is a cubensis. It grows under the same conditions as all other cubes. You don't even need to case it.

It puts out super potent fruits as I just said.  Maybe the spores you were working with were just shitty to begin with.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875192 - 06/29/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What i'm saying is if you eat bad genetic shrooms... no matter how much more you eat... you'll just have a worst and worst trip. Versus... If you eat good genetic shrooms... the more you eat... the trip gets better and better and better.




that's the weirdest thing I've read in a long time by someone who has grown for 2-3 yrs!
You dont get bad trips because of mushroom genetics, its your head man.
mushrooms with less actives in them = eat more mushrooms = get more actives into your body! :mushroom2:


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    #21875235 - 06/29/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What i'm saying is if you eat bad genetic shrooms... no matter how much more you eat... you'll just have a worst and worst trip. Versus... If you eat good genetic shrooms... the more you eat... the trip gets better and better and better.




that's the weirdest thing I've read in a long time by someone who has grown for 2-3 yrs!
You dont get bad trips because of mushroom genetics, its your head man.
mushrooms with less actives in them = eat more mushrooms = get more actives into your body! :mushroom2:




For real, if anything it sounds like you need to eat less mushrooms if your life is that easily affected by subjective thoughts.

that or you're allergic to mushrooms and the extra weight makes you feel bad.  That would be a hoot.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Inocuole]
    #21875247 - 06/29/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

why do i always get flamed for speaking the truth. I swear, this world is so twisted.


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    #21875249 - 06/29/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If it were the truth you probably wouldn't get flamed for it, but honestly there wasn't any real flaming, just contradiction to your ideas.  And if THAT offends you, life is gonna be a tough trip.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875265 - 06/29/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tired of ppl discrediting me when they have no idea of what I'm talking about.


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    #21875272 - 06/29/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So what are you talking about?  Grow penis envy and get back to us, that was an idea presented multiple times here.

You're obviously not like most of us because we don't have problems.  I'm sure you can understand why our advice might not resonate with you if we aren't at all in your boat.

Grow stronger mushrooms or wait longer between trips are the best answers I saw.  Or eat more and keep your head positive.

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875276 - 06/29/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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why do i always get flamed for speaking the truth. I swear, this world is so twisted.



you already know the answers so it seems so why don't you clearly spill out the truth and floor us all?

you shouldn't play shotgun in the dark by getting isolates. start with clones of strong MS mushrooms.

for knowing all about this truth you're the one growing bunk shrooms and asking for advice? where are we wrong


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875281 - 06/29/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

everyone's experience differs from yours... but you're still the one being right about it :rolleyes:

so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
    #21875289 - 06/29/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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everyone's experience differs from yours... but you're still the one being right about it :rolleyes:

so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?




Yes, some batches have psilocybin-A and some batches have psilocybin-B.  The B stands for BAD.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875349 - 06/29/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Tired of ppl discrediting me when they have no idea of what I'm talking about.



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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875447 - 06/29/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just throwing in my two cents here. I've been growing for about 4 or 5 months now. I'm a mother fucking noob. I've done 1 monotub with c/v/g taken from a clone that was taken from a MS pf cake. My shit is potent as balls and they are just regular cubes bro.

I just follow teks at this point and learn from experience and I've had no issues what so ever. I think you're the issue. Listen to these guys. You wanted answers and you got them. Take it or leave it :shrug:


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    #21875455 - 06/29/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21875665 - 06/29/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

While PE is often a good place to start, I have still had genetics from classic cubes turn out nearly as potent. But they take time to find. I have easily pitched hundreds of cultures searching for the best of everything. That search is part of the fun. Most if my average grows are plenty for most people and few even like my PE or APE, they tell me they are too much.

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875670 - 06/29/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But they take time to find. I have easily pitched hundreds of cultures searching for the best of everything. That search is part of the fun.




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    #21876462 - 06/30/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Another factor to consider as well as physiological tollerance is psychological tollerance.

The brain is an adaptive organism.  The first time you see animated hyroglyphs pop out of the wall, it blows your fucking mind, it's literally too cool to believe.  By the 5th time you see them, you're just like, huh, animated hyroglyphs, whatever, back to what I'm thinking.  Something along the lines of driving some congo tribesman past LED billboards.

I haven't ever had another experience like my first, but I think chasing it is a waste of time.  What I had may have better than anything I've had subsequently.  I'm not sure.

Trip less.  Eat more.  Possibly take some syrian rue caps before ingesting.

Try some other varieties (maybe you just got some weaksauce genetics from your print,) or get a stoneproducer.  Stone production is supposedly easier than growing cubensis and more potent, as are the fruits.  If you're intent on sticking to cubes, get a few varieties, grow them out, then clone out a nice cluster from whatever produced the best experience.

I can say that of the two prints I have, one has produced consistently better results from MS in every sense thusfar.  Iso's are looking like they're much better as well.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21876627 - 06/30/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just grew some damn potent cubes. I find when I make my cakes to put the water in after mixing the brf and verm, it makes the flour kinda clumpy. This came out better than adding water to only the verm then mixing the flour in that. I dunno maybe this was a thing, or maybe I got lucky.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21876906 - 06/30/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ive used well over 30 strains MS and never had a problem once I started using straw. Not saying that genetics don't matter because they do. But straw has always jumped the potency up.

Its possible that the nutritional value of the straw might not have much to do with it. Very likely the aeration in the sub plus the nutrients.

conclusion: use poo,straw,verm,coir, and possibly a little gypsum or oyster shell/problem fixed


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21877323 - 06/30/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


Maybe try getting a new brain?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: coffeehead]
    #21877392 - 06/30/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I first started experimenting with shrooms they would always knock my socks off.  I would take 2 grams and be with the stars.

Then fast forward about a year without taking any shrooms, I began taking 2 different types of antidepressants.  I recently started tripping again a couple months ago.  I took 3.5 grams the first time since my break and hardly tripped at all.  I was even aware enough to text my friend who was taking the same amount of the same shrooms at the same time.  He blasted off like normal and I was sitting there wanting more.

Several times since I have tried raising the dose up a little more... last attempt was 4.5 grams.  I tripped a little better at 4.5 but still no where near what I use to be at 2 grams.

After doing some research on the issue, I came across a few posts who have had the same experience after starting antidepressants.  I hadnt heard of this before I started looking so Im sure it isnt entirely in my head. 

Im considering taking a 1 week break from the meds and then trying again.  Im 95% sure its the antidepressants I take that are making my trips very weak.

Have you started any new medications recently? 

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
    #21877482 - 06/30/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?




Just imagine it! 30 batches of "waste"!!! Just thrown away like yesterdays trash!:laugh:

Forgive me for asking, but if you single out 30 different monocultures in the hopes of hitting "the motherload of genetics" arent you just essentially, in a smaller scale, doing what a multispore inoc would do, only that youre getting the different seize and potency mushrooms in seperate containers? I was under the impression that isolates are being done in order to single out the mycelium thats the "healthiest" and also to have a copy of the genetics incase it should turn out to be a positive mutation? Can someone school me here please? If you want the biggest and baddest of the shrooms then multispore followed by cloning of the one that looks nicest to you would be easier??

Maybe the potency hasnt gone up, but at least your yeild (and also therefore your psilo-yeild) has gone up. If you want the one with highest potency then thats a bit tricky and time consuming unless you have a lab where you can test a fruit body's potency while its still "alive and cloneable", but even this wouldnt be too reliable as psilo-content differs in different parts of the fruit body. I think this is why everyone is telling you to simply eat more... If you reached the point where your stomach doesnt have enough room Id take that as a sign to take a break:stoned:


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21877495 - 06/30/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In a multi spore grow, each mushroom that grows could have hundreds of different genetics. This is why you should clone the best mushroom, so you can continue on with those specific genetics and isolate from there if you so choose.

Getting monocultures from ms is a good way to disappoint yourself. Out of a thousand monocultures from ms, only a couple will actually be good cultures.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21877569 - 06/30/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its an age old question that is a little over done but the curiosity still gets us all. The mushrooms itself synthesis's several different indoles within its growth. Its very possible these indoles themselves differ from lab grade or chemically synthesized psilocybin/psilocin. Its also verty apparent that any water soluble vitamin would contribute to its growth.

Using different substrates should be labeled in what vit and mineral and even anaerobic bacteria it contains.
I also think there are differences in what a "cultivator" suggest is an optimal substrate and what a "user/cultivator" suggest as an optimal substrate.

One could ultimately grow just using straight cow manure and vermiculite but I wouldn't do that because it will produce a buzz that's real "heady" and a large body load.

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21877833 - 06/30/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21878057 - 06/30/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?




Just imagine it! 30 batches of "waste"!!! Just thrown away like yesterdays trash!:laugh:







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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: makingmoney]
    #21878066 - 06/30/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Makingmoney,

I can assure you it's not your medication. I'm not on any medications myself and haven't been for a few years now. I'm healthy. It's not you or the meds it's the genetics of the fruits.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21878090 - 06/30/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Makingmoney,

I can assure you it's not your medication. I'm not on any medications myself and haven't been for a few years now. I'm healthy. It's not you or the meds it's the genetics of the fruits.




Maybe you need to get back on said meds.


I'm very sure Prozac (an ssri) does affect strength of trips.  You need to be off an srri for like 4 to 6 weeks for it to be absent from your system though.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21878099 - 06/30/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Forgive me for asking, but if you single out 30 different monocultures in the hopes of hitting "the motherload of genetics" arent you just essentially, in a smaller scale, doing what a multispore inoc would do, only that youre getting the different seize and potency mushrooms in seperate containers? I was under the impression that isolates are being done in order to single out the mycelium thats the "healthiest" and also to have a copy of the genetics incase it should turn out to be a positive mutation? Can someone school me here please? If you want the biggest and baddest of the shrooms then multispore followed by cloning of the one that looks nicest to you would be easier??

Maybe the potency hasnt gone up, but at least your yeild (and also therefore your psilo-yeild) has gone up. If you want the one with highest potency then thats a bit tricky and time consuming unless you have a lab where you can test a fruit body's potency while its still "alive and cloneable", but even this wouldnt be too reliable as psilo-content differs in different parts of the fruit body. I think this is why everyone is telling you to simply eat more... If you reached the point where your stomach doesnt have enough room Id take that as a sign to take a break:stoned:





yes, Cloning a ms fruit would be easier and smarter way of doing things. STarting ms on agar and isolating that way is a waste of time if the spores/or strain is bunk to begin with, imo.

Isolation is good for one thing and one thing only.... and it mainly has to do with cosmetics of the fruits.... Like... isolate and fruit your monocultures... Some will produce little fruits, big fruits and then little fruits with huge clusters vs huge fruits with huge clusters...

So basically, clone a potent bomb ass ms spore fruit... then isolate until you get consistent big fruited clusters... That way you get the most of of your yeilds.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: RyeJar]
    #21878109 - 06/30/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oooookk i need to get back on my meds...  yeah.... that's the issue.

I dont know... maybe it does but i'm just saying I'm not on any meds and can rule that out.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21878112 - 06/30/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I burn all those garbage cubes in my fire pit.




Dude! Dude!!! I give out free hugs too, please have one:heart:

Did I miss your answer to cloning tha badddiestestest?:sad: Scratch that, Im more interested in how often you eat shrooms now, or how many times youve eaten it? Are you asking essentially what constitutes good potency in a shroom/batch?? Because if not then you gotta be asking what Ive been thinking you are the whole way, which isnt hard (well it is to me;) as you can see. That leaves ppl thinking you may have a godly tolerance, which again begs the question why. I hope youre asking what constitutes a good shroom;)

EDIT: Ok I saw it, came meanwhile.

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STarting ms on agar and isolating that way is a waste of time if the spores/or strain is bunk to begin with, imo.

Isolation is good for one thing and one thing only.... and it mainly has to do with cosmetics of the fruits.... Like... isolate and fruit your monocultures... Some will produce little fruits, big fruits and then little fruits with huge clusters vs huge fruits with huge clusters...

So basically, clone a potent bomb ass ms spore fruit... then isolate until you get consistent big fruited clusters... That way you get the most of of your yeilds.




I may have misunderstood something I learned somewhere, or I may have misunderstood you. But I think the point of isolation is to weed out the, excuse the expression everyone (:eek:), retards. Think of it like this: If we were to throw together many billion human eggs with many billion human spermatocytes and lay that out on a giant agar where the embryos could grow and somehow multiply outwards from the center, some of these would be lesser genetic examples and some better genetic examples than the average. Isolation chooses the best, its not just cosmetics (phenotype), its also potency/quality/yield/whateveryouwannacallit (genotype) too. Or am I wrong???


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21878153 - 06/30/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

my tolerance is not godly at all. Like I said in previous posts (i know tldr) my tolerance will die down in a week and I can feel full effects of a trip after that. MY bar for potency is just set higher than MOST and that's why my friends enjoy the fruits but I don't because I know the true potential of what a trip really could be.

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21878188 - 06/30/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Some ppl already touched on this. You physical tolerance maybe, but your mental tolerance is never reset, it may go back sometimes, but never resets completely, that would equal forgetting absolutely ever trip you ever had no?


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    #21878232 - 06/30/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Isolation is good for one thing and one thing only.... and it mainly has to do with cosmetics of the fruits....




:rofldrunk:

try looking for something else next time you clone and you wont have to make threads like this :lol:


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    #21878235 - 06/30/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.




indoles are indoles dude? I don't get what your saying

This mushroom alone contains
indole-3-acetic acid, two indole alkaloids, baeocystin and im sure many intermediates. Are you saying that all indoles are the same dude?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21878256 - 06/30/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well the reason why we clone and preserve strains is because we want to feel the effects of that trip... over and over and over again. If tolerance was an issue than no  one would really care for cloning since you'd never be able to feel that trip again anyways...

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I may have misunderstood something I learned somewhere, or I may have misunderstood you. But I think the point of isolation is to weed out the, excuse the expression everyone (:eek:), retards. Think of it like this: If we were to throw together many billion human eggs with many billion human spermatocytes and lay that out on a giant agar where the embryos could grow and somehow multiply outwards from the center, some of these would be lesser genetic examples and some better genetic examples than the average. Isolation chooses the best, its not just cosmetics (phenotype), its also potency/quality/yield/whateveryouwannacallit (genotype) too. Or am I wrong???




yeah so in ms grows you'll see aborts, small fruits, big fruits, clusters, non clusters.... Isolation is just a technique to get consistent fruits... i.e. all big clusters, all small fruits, all big fruits/noncluster...etc.

As far as isolating in hopes that you'll find the culture with potent fruits... Good luck trying all the cultures out.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
    #21878264 - 06/30/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:rofldrunk:

try looking for something else next time you clone and you wont have to make threads like this :lol:




I isolated 30 different monocultures and fruited them to look for a potent strain and that's what I learned. It's not a good method for finding potent fruits.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21878278 - 06/30/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you're dosing weekly, you can easily try out 5 clone fruits in a month and a bit. Just make sure to keep the one you cloned from separate to remember what one you are supposed to eat :smile:


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21878299 - 06/30/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:rofldrunk:

try looking for something else next time you clone and you wont have to make threads like this :lol:




I isolated 30 different monocultures and fruited them to look for a potent strain and that's what I learned. It's not a good method for finding potent fruits.




you learned that the only reason to isolate strains is cosmetic?
I dont believe you took 30 clones and didn't find anyone who was more or less potent than the others!


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
    #21878317 - 06/30/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was mainly isolating for potency. I don't care how fruits look as long as I get shot to the moon. And no, I didn't test them all out. After about the 5th or 6th test I just tossed em all out since i didn't notice any difference in potency from any of those. I also had friends test them and oh what do you know "yeah these are hella potent!"

Still wasn't what I was looking for.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Mad Season]
    #21878326 - 06/30/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Eating shrooms every other week is easy... eating bad shrooms that give me bad trips that include nausea, anxiety, and twisted thoughts with no fun, visuals, etc. is hard.


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Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.




indoles are indoles dude? I don't get what your saying

This mushroom alone contains
indole-3-acetic acid, two indole alkaloids, baeocystin and im sure many intermediates. Are you saying that all indoles are the same dude?



No that's not what I said at all. Lab made or shrooms made psilocin, baeocystin etc are all identical. Mushrooms don't make different psilocin than you can by jamming atoms together yourself. Take a chemistry course


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    #21878350 - 06/30/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"yeah these are hella potent!"

Still wasn't what I was looking for.




so you ask how to get them potent, but when you get potent shrooms its not what you're looking for... makes sense....


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    #21878362 - 06/30/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating shrooms every other week is easy... eating bad shrooms that give me bad trips that include nausea, anxiety, and twisted thoughts with no fun, visuals, etc. is hard.




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Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.




indoles are indoles dude? I don't get what your saying

This mushroom alone contains
indole-3-acetic acid, two indole alkaloids, baeocystin and im sure many intermediates. Are you saying that all indoles are the same dude?



No that's not what I said at all. Lab made or shrooms made psilocin, baeocystin etc are all identical. Mushrooms don't make different psilocin than you can by jamming atoms together yourself. Take a chemistry course



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"yeah these are hella potent!"

Still wasn't what I was looking for.




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    #21878371 - 06/30/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating shrooms every other week is easy... eating bad shrooms that give me bad trips that include nausea, anxiety, and twisted thoughts with no fun, visuals, etc. is hard.



Notice no one says they're a high. They call them a trip not a high. This isn't a drug that's for the weak willed. I haven't really tripped to have fun in a long ass time. I go in with an open mind that anything goes. It's all up to fate to decide. I'm just along for the ride, if I learn anything great! If I don't that's fine too. Be open, loving, and free and it will be given in return.

I'm normally incapacitated for the first few hours of a trip. Getting what you say. You gotta stop focusing on the negatives of it and focus on what comes after or what you can gain from it.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Mad Season]
    #21878398 - 06/30/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So you tested 5 or 6 clones and that's it for you. Talk about impatient.  Were they all from the same ms grow? Sounds to me like a case of lazy. Also you still haven't answered my question. How are you drying them?


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    #21878469 - 06/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it was 5-6 monocultured isolates. But I had friends test a bunch also. They were 3 different strains from ms on agar. all different vendors, the strains.

I'm good at gauging my friends reactions. Asking them specific questions to gauge where the potency is for them.

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    #21878471 - 06/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.




indoles are indoles dude? I don't get what your saying

This mushroom alone contains
indole-3-acetic acid, two indole alkaloids, baeocystin and im sure many intermediates. Are you saying that all indoles are the same dude?



No that's not what I said at all. Lab made or shrooms made psilocin, baeocystin etc are all identical. Mushrooms don't make different psilocin than you can by jamming atoms together yourself. Take a chemistry course


I would enjoy the chemisty class..
Yea ive heard shulgin say the same thing but we are talking about fungi and plants that often mutate. So I have hard time believing it would be completely identical. Especially when different mushrooms effect the body and mind completely differently from one to the next.

Just like some marijuana zombifies you and some energizes you. Its all thc correct?


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    #21878508 - 06/30/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Read how many cannabinoids make up weed before comparing it.. however pure thc will produce the same effects as pure thc. The only thing different is your brain chemistry. Not the chemical


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Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.




indoles are indoles dude? I don't get what your saying

This mushroom alone contains
indole-3-acetic acid, two indole alkaloids, baeocystin and im sure many intermediates. Are you saying that all indoles are the same dude?



No that's not what I said at all. Lab made or shrooms made psilocin, baeocystin etc are all identical. Mushrooms don't make different psilocin than you can by jamming atoms together yourself. Take a chemistry course


I would enjoy the chemisty class..
Yea ive heard shulgin say the same thing but we are talking about fungi and plants that often mutate. So I have hard time believing it would be completely identical. Especially when different mushrooms effect the body and mind completely differently from one to the next.

Just like some marijuana zombifies you and some energizes you. Its all thc correct?



nope they're exactly the same
exactly

different mushrooms don't effect you different, different trips effect you differently. eat the same exact shrooms on a different day you'll have a different trip.

psilocin is always C12H16N2O and since mushrooms get atoms from the same place scientists would get them from they're identical. the best lab in the world couldn't tell them apart.

just like all water on the planet is h2o no different form any other water


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    #21878608 - 06/30/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That kinda what im getting at, there are different compounds in plant/fungi material. And although there has been quite a lot of research done with marijuana isolating the different cannabinoids. Little has been done(published) with cultivated psychedelic mushroom.Imo  its gone thru a "cultivar" change that substantially different from a decade ago. And like marijuana high yielding potent stains or variations have surfaced.


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    #21878654 - 06/30/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"different mushrooms don't effect you different, different trips effect you differently. eat the same exact shrooms on a different day you'll have a different trip."

That exactly right if there are the same exact mushrooms....but as everyone says there not all the same.:shrug:

"different mushrooms don't effect you different"
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    #21878666 - 06/30/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The ratio of psilocin to psilocybin to baeocystin to (others) can cause some differential effects. They can interplay and compete for similar receptor pathways, leading to differences in effect and efficacy. Of course a persons brain chemistry also comes in to play, which makes any firm comparison shaky at best.


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The ratio of psilocin to psilocybin to baeocystin to (others) can cause some differential effects. They can interplay and compete for similar receptor pathways, leading to differences in effect and efficacy. Of course a persons brain chemistry also comes in to play, which makes any firm comparison shaky at best.



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    #21878853 - 06/30/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you change your trip more than the difference in any mushroom would.

yes those three chemicals can be in differing percentages but if you eat enough of them to get solid trip it's you your mind yourself that's all the difference.

ask anyone that's grown more than you've ever seen and ate more than you've ever seen before and they'll tell you this.

ask anyone under the age of 30, that calls them self a psychonaut exploring their consciousness and all that bullshit, goes to festivals relentlessly, and they'll tell you what preschooler is saying.

in each strain of weed there's more than a world of difference compared to even different species of psilocybin mushrooms.

there's hundreds of chemicals in weeds that interplay and act on slightly different receptors on  in both your brain's neurons and peripheral neurons. even some of your other organs have receptors for canabanoids, which will mediate or modulate some intracellular processes.

much unlike the pharmacology of the 3 interesting indoles in psilocybes (which your friends who tell you the bullshit about can't pronounce either)

if you hear someone say
sill oh sybe cube en iss
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sil ah so be cube en z's

if they say it like the first way(wrong) it's because they don't know shit about mushrooms other than what they can successfully regurgitate hopefully somewhat precisely but often times with telephone game error.

either way all that really matters with cubes is making them more potent. you can say you have really visual cubes, that just means they're really potent and perhaps have a nicer ratio of those three indoles than another strain. and when I say strain I mean genetic strain the resultant of two successful mated spores.


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    #21878876 - 06/30/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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chemical structures are identical whether it's made by a plant or by a chemist.




Technically.... not exactly. Natural sources tend to slightly enrich some isotopes over others as compared to lab syntheses. To my knowledge, these tiny differences have never been proven to actually affect a drugs effects though (Closest thing I can think of is heavy water and some of its odd toxicology)


You can and will get different sets of side products though. In lab synths it tends to be overcooked and stereoisomer products, in natural sources it tends to be over/under/mis oxidized and similar products. But that can vary GREATLY from organism to organism, pathway to pathway, even from one environment to another. Usually the side products have wildly different pharmacological effects, but are present in such minute quantities as to be unimportant.

(Sorry I spent the last 2 years in a natural products lab working on fungal metabolite biosynthesis pathways, and I tend to ramble on when it comes up)


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: matsc]
    #21878903 - 06/30/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the amount of d2o is always constant in nature in a sample of h2o. unless a lab actually goes about making D2O or T2O then the isotope levels are stable in nature and in lab synth. you have to actually act on modulating the isotope levels to make the isotope levels different. simply making them in a lab won't ensure that they have a different chemical physical or sub atomic difference.


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    #21878916 - 06/30/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think I get that^^  and how do you test whats in plant material?

A lot of shulgin's talks mocked the whole aspect of nutrients or possible added chemicals from changing the internal chemistry of mushrooms. But in all reality he was a chemist it and would never change upon his creation unless he cultivated it.

"Casale" in 1985 confirmed that you can heat dry mushrooms with a dilute acetic acid/water and turn the whole mix into a largely pure sample of psilocin.
Now this right here would be a true test if a compound was similar to another.

But I could guarantee that two sample from two different variations would be widely different from one another.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21878919 - 06/30/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Comparing all the hundreds of cannabinoids in cannabis to the THREE active chemicals in mushrooms is ridiculous.

Actually there are only 2 actives.  Psilocin and baeocystin.  Psilocybin breaks down into psilocin before it hits your brain so that's ruled out as actually having much effect.  Maybe a slower comeup, at best.


Baeocystin, I don't know that anyone actually knows what it does.  I would venture to say it's pretty negligible.


Also what the fuuuuuck are you going on about bodhi with that pronunciation?  I pronounce them "sill oh sibe cube en sis" (but sis is kinda... like you said with sounding like a "Zs")  I hardly see how it matters how you pronounce a word you haven't ever heard said in person anyway.  I passed English class if that's the question at hand.  What's up with this... sill ah so be?  Where does that "so" sound come from?

I've grown mushrooms for 8 years and I don't know for sure that I've ever heard anyone pronounce them like you're suggesting.


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6Silent9Knight6 said:I can assure you it's not your medication.



This is absolutely incorrect. I know quite a few people who can't trip because of their meds.


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This is absolutely incorrect. I know quite a few people who can't trip because of their meds.




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chemical structures are identical whether it's made by a plant or by a chemist.




Technically.... not exactly. Natural sources tend to slightly enrich some isotopes over others as compared to lab syntheses. To my knowledge, these tiny differences have never been proven to actually affect a drugs effects though (Closest thing I can think of is heavy water and some of its odd toxicology)


You can and will get different sets of side products though. In lab synths it tends to be overcooked and stereoisomer products, in natural sources it tends to be over/under/mis oxidized and similar products. But that can vary GREATLY from organism to organism, pathway to pathway, even from one environment to another. Usually the side products have wildly different pharmacological effects, but are present in such minute quantities as to be unimportant.

(Sorry I spent the last 2 years in a natural products lab working on fungal metabolite biosynthesis pathways, and I tend to ramble on when it comes up)




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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21879041 - 06/30/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the amount of d2o is always constant in nature in a sample of h2o. unless a lab actually goes about making D2O or T2O then the isotope levels are stable in nature and in lab synth. you have to actually act on modulating the isotope levels to make the isotope levels different. simply making them in a lab won't ensure that they have a different chemical physical or sub atomic difference.





What I meant was that the enzymes involved in the biosynthetic pathways in nature have a slight difference in affinity for some isotopes over others. Due to some of the quirks of chemical kinetics down at the quantum level, you might see a ppb difference in one isotope of say, nitrogen, compared to the same compound synthesized in a lab. Its tiny, but we see it occasionally.

http://sisbl.uga.edu/stable.html


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    #21879060 - 06/30/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the comparison with weed is so to say that you can have different highs on weed but even still a weed high is a weed high you know it when you see it. there's subtle difference indica sativa dabs etc it's still all a weed high and you know it's a weed high it's not so different that it feels like you're doing a different drug. and that's the interplay of hundreds of chemicals and vastly different interactions and ratios.

where with cubes it's a relatively small amount of drug and drug variation. so when someone says cube y is hugely different of a trip than cube x it's because they haven't ate a shitload of cubes yet to know that every trip can be different at any given time even on the exact same isolate mushrooms.


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    #21879071 - 06/30/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I'm just gonna say it, if OP thinks there are such thing as bad cubes, THAT in itself is probably the culprit.


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the amount of d2o is always constant in nature in a sample of h2o. unless a lab actually goes about making D2O or T2O then the isotope levels are stable in nature and in lab synth. you have to actually act on modulating the isotope levels to make the isotope levels different. simply making them in a lab won't ensure that they have a different chemical physical or sub atomic difference.





What I meant was that the enzymes involved in the biosynthetic pathways in nature have a slight difference in affinity for some isotopes over others. Due to some of the quirks of chemical kinetics down at the quantum level, you might see a ppb difference in one isotope of say, nitrogen, compared to the same compound synthesized in a lab. Its tiny, but we see it occasionally.

http://sisbl.uga.edu/stable.html



look up how to enrich uranium.

and as for the last part of that article about the C14 dating. I haven't seen that correction applied before ever so I question the validity of the article. I'll do more digging but I find the bioaccumulation of heavier isotopes being overblown in that article, I bet there's some review articles that shred it.


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    #21879117 - 06/30/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I actually know a couple methods for enriching uranium (gas centrifugation and mass spec), its a strange and terrifying process I want nothing to do with :grin:

But I did find a couple articles on enzymatic isotopic preferences:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25121461
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC366402/ (the C3 vs C4 plant one in particular comes up a lot)
http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100013377 (see?)
www.jbc.org/content/263/26/13231.full.pdf

Its all little quirks of kinetics in the end. I hated this crap in biophysical chem because you had to account for all of this nonsense on exams, thank god for a grade curve.

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I actually know a couple methods for enriching uranium (gas centrifugation and mass spec), its a strange and terrifying process I want nothing to do with :grin:

But I did find a couple articles on enzymatic isotopic preferences:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25121461
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC366402/ (the C3 vs C4 plant one in particular comes up a lot)
http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100013377 (see?)
www.jbc.org/content/263/26/13231.full.pdf

Its all little quirks of kinetics in the end. I hated this crap in biophysical chem because you had to account for all of this nonsense on exams, thank god for a grade curve.

(And sorry for derailing the thread with p-chem, everyones least favorite subject)



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    #21879596 - 06/30/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms

Why?



It shouldn't be. If you're dosing with fresh mushrooms I would point out that the common believe that 10g of fresh is equal to 1g of dried is not accurate.

Now that I think about it low potency is a common complaint when people start cultivating and coincidentally over saturating the mushrooms and substrate with water are a common mistake.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Kizzle]
    #21879623 - 06/30/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms

Why?



It shouldn't be. If you're dosing with fresh mushrooms I would point out that the common believe that 10g of fresh is equal to 1g of dried is not accurate.




For the most part it's hard to be accurate when talking about potency but it seems for the most part 30 grams fresh puts me in that sweet level 3 spot I so enjoy that an eighth dried would put me in.  So I feel it's close.  I do admit I haven't eaten dried specimens in years now.  Fresh is much more palatable in my opinion.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: RyeJar]
    #21879671 - 06/30/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Now that I think about it low potency is a common complaint when people start cultivating and coincidentally over saturating the mushrooms and substrate with water are a common mistake.

Oh yeah. My point here being that if the excess water is leading to the a higher MC inside the mushrooms they would seem less potent when taken fresh. :tongue:


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Kizzle]
    #21879957 - 06/30/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bad trips and paranoia are not a sign of bad Potency. I think OP is confusing 'potency' with 'set and setting'

Though I think this has already been said.

RR once said that cope's give dark forboding trips but if you're getting scary unpleasant trips it has nothing to do with 'potency' and everything to do with you. I will agree that some trips can certainly be more visual but you need to set your trips up.  I can't imagine being ready to trip every single fucking week.

I only take shrooms when I know I'm in a good place for it. Something as simple as the living room being dirty or dishes in the sink can make me feel anxiety about my life.  I only ever once had a bad trip and it was my first and I took 5 grams of PS. Cyanescens.  I was literally sent to another world.

OP, How much are you taking for a testing trip?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21893773 - 07/03/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm making a thread on how i gauge potency soon. Stayed tuned yall. Thanks for all the help thus far n i hope to hear feedback from all of u


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    #21894844 - 07/03/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stop harvesting immature mushrooms. Only thing I can suggest. Potency has never been an issue for me


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    #21895003 - 07/03/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stop harvesting immature mushrooms. Only thing I can suggest. Potency has never been an issue for me



Please show something to back this up.

I think you can get just as high gram for gram on tiny little abort fuckers as you could on fully grown fuckers.


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    #21895432 - 07/04/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stop harvesting immature mushrooms. Only thing I can suggest. Potency has never been an issue for me



Please show something to back this up.

I think you can get just as high gram for gram on tiny little abort fuckers as you could on fully grown fuckers
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If not moreso.  What the fuck kind of advice is this?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Inocuole]
    #21895902 - 07/04/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:

Thanks zeroboy but yeah... No man.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21895914 - 07/04/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Idk man, i took 4.5g of B+ last week and didn't really trip that hard, so i was wondering the same thing.  Im guessing it was just the strain. The hardest i ever tripped was off FRESH treasure coast shrooms picked str8 from the field.  Fucking ridiculous.  If i don't get a strong trip from my next batch of mushies, im going to grow some exotics, just haven't decided which one yet, although im thinking about growing pan cyans, as people say they are the most potent ones, and all i really want is some good visuals :shrug:

i don't know what to tell you, except try growing a different strain, maybe move up to exotics, or go pick some fresh shrooms, nothing like shrooms str8 off the field!


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21895967 - 07/04/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can i get a detailed trip report on ur trip from the feilds? Off of cow dung? What part of the country are u from or where should i be looking for cubes? I was thinking the same thing... Go mushroom hunting


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21896186 - 07/04/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Idk man, i took 4.5g of B+ last week and didn't really trip that hard, so i was wondering the same thing.  Im guessing it was just the strain. The hardest i ever tripped was off FRESH treasure coast shrooms picked str8 from the field.  Fucking ridiculous.  If i don't get a strong trip from my next batch of mushies, im going to grow some exotics, just haven't decided which one yet, although im thinking about growing pan cyans, as people say they are the most potent ones, and all i really want is some good visuals :shrug:

i don't know what to tell you, except try growing a different strain, maybe move up to exotics, or go pick some fresh shrooms, nothing like shrooms str8 off the field!




Curious how you know they were treasure coast, given the variety's dubious origins.  Or did you just pick wild in treasure coast, not the MrG variety.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21897029 - 07/04/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So here it is yall... My first journal on here on how to gauge potency.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21897019


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21899451 - 07/05/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im from the area, I don't want to specify where exactly I live in the treasure coast but yea. I know the field they originated in(or one of them).  I picked them wild and printed them to be sure of what they were. Im saying that from my experience, I know those mushrooms.  They were the first ones I did and after I got into hallucinogens I realized that they were rather potent compared to other cubes that I had done.  The field I get them from, they grow like fuckin wildfire dude, and ive known about the field for about 6 years, and they still grow like crazy.  I really don't care if yall think im BSing, but ive found 9-10in wild mushies, with almost 7 inch caps dude.

I don't know if knight is talking to me about wanting a detailed report on my trip to the field, but if you are just pm me dude and ill tell you everything you want to know.


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