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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
    #21875289 - 06/29/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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everyone's experience differs from yours... but you're still the one being right about it :rolleyes:

so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?




Yes, some batches have psilocybin-A and some batches have psilocybin-B.  The B stands for BAD.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875349 - 06/29/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
Tired of ppl discrediting me when they have no idea of what I'm talking about.



Maybe I missed something here... Who discredited you?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875447 - 06/29/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just throwing in my two cents here. I've been growing for about 4 or 5 months now. I'm a mother fucking noob. I've done 1 monotub with c/v/g taken from a clone that was taken from a MS pf cake. My shit is potent as balls and they are just regular cubes bro.

I just follow teks at this point and learn from experience and I've had no issues what so ever. I think you're the issue. Listen to these guys. You wanted answers and you got them. Take it or leave it :shrug:


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: jbaby007]
    #21875455 - 06/29/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21875665 - 06/29/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

While PE is often a good place to start, I have still had genetics from classic cubes turn out nearly as potent. But they take time to find. I have easily pitched hundreds of cultures searching for the best of everything. That search is part of the fun. Most if my average grows are plenty for most people and few even like my PE or APE, they tell me they are too much.

Also you say drying is not the issue. How exactly are you drying them ?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21875670 - 06/29/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But they take time to find. I have easily pitched hundreds of cultures searching for the best of everything. That search is part of the fun.




HUNDREDS. Nothing comes fast and easy in this hobby OP.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21876462 - 06/30/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Another factor to consider as well as physiological tollerance is psychological tollerance.

The brain is an adaptive organism.  The first time you see animated hyroglyphs pop out of the wall, it blows your fucking mind, it's literally too cool to believe.  By the 5th time you see them, you're just like, huh, animated hyroglyphs, whatever, back to what I'm thinking.  Something along the lines of driving some congo tribesman past LED billboards.

I haven't ever had another experience like my first, but I think chasing it is a waste of time.  What I had may have better than anything I've had subsequently.  I'm not sure.

Trip less.  Eat more.  Possibly take some syrian rue caps before ingesting.

Try some other varieties (maybe you just got some weaksauce genetics from your print,) or get a stoneproducer.  Stone production is supposedly easier than growing cubensis and more potent, as are the fruits.  If you're intent on sticking to cubes, get a few varieties, grow them out, then clone out a nice cluster from whatever produced the best experience.

I can say that of the two prints I have, one has produced consistently better results from MS in every sense thusfar.  Iso's are looking like they're much better as well.


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Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21876627 - 06/30/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just grew some damn potent cubes. I find when I make my cakes to put the water in after mixing the brf and verm, it makes the flour kinda clumpy. This came out better than adding water to only the verm then mixing the flour in that. I dunno maybe this was a thing, or maybe I got lucky.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21876906 - 06/30/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ive used well over 30 strains MS and never had a problem once I started using straw. Not saying that genetics don't matter because they do. But straw has always jumped the potency up.

Its possible that the nutritional value of the straw might not have much to do with it. Very likely the aeration in the sub plus the nutrients.

conclusion: use poo,straw,verm,coir, and possibly a little gypsum or oyster shell/problem fixed


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21877323 - 06/30/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


Maybe try getting a new brain?


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: coffeehead]
    #21877392 - 06/30/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I first started experimenting with shrooms they would always knock my socks off.  I would take 2 grams and be with the stars.

Then fast forward about a year without taking any shrooms, I began taking 2 different types of antidepressants.  I recently started tripping again a couple months ago.  I took 3.5 grams the first time since my break and hardly tripped at all.  I was even aware enough to text my friend who was taking the same amount of the same shrooms at the same time.  He blasted off like normal and I was sitting there wanting more.

Several times since I have tried raising the dose up a little more... last attempt was 4.5 grams.  I tripped a little better at 4.5 but still no where near what I use to be at 2 grams.

After doing some research on the issue, I came across a few posts who have had the same experience after starting antidepressants.  I hadnt heard of this before I started looking so Im sure it isnt entirely in my head. 

Im considering taking a 1 week break from the meds and then trying again.  Im 95% sure its the antidepressants I take that are making my trips very weak.

Have you started any new medications recently? 

FYI: I take Welbutrin and Prozac generics.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
    #21877482 - 06/30/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?




Just imagine it! 30 batches of "waste"!!! Just thrown away like yesterdays trash!:laugh:

Forgive me for asking, but if you single out 30 different monocultures in the hopes of hitting "the motherload of genetics" arent you just essentially, in a smaller scale, doing what a multispore inoc would do, only that youre getting the different seize and potency mushrooms in seperate containers? I was under the impression that isolates are being done in order to single out the mycelium thats the "healthiest" and also to have a copy of the genetics incase it should turn out to be a positive mutation? Can someone school me here please? If you want the biggest and baddest of the shrooms then multispore followed by cloning of the one that looks nicest to you would be easier??

Maybe the potency hasnt gone up, but at least your yeild (and also therefore your psilo-yeild) has gone up. If you want the one with highest potency then thats a bit tricky and time consuming unless you have a lab where you can test a fruit body's potency while its still "alive and cloneable", but even this wouldnt be too reliable as psilo-content differs in different parts of the fruit body. I think this is why everyone is telling you to simply eat more... If you reached the point where your stomach doesnt have enough room Id take that as a sign to take a break:stoned:


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21877495 - 06/30/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In a multi spore grow, each mushroom that grows could have hundreds of different genetics. This is why you should clone the best mushroom, so you can continue on with those specific genetics and isolate from there if you so choose.

Getting monocultures from ms is a good way to disappoint yourself. Out of a thousand monocultures from ms, only a couple will actually be good cultures.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21877569 - 06/30/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its an age old question that is a little over done but the curiosity still gets us all. The mushrooms itself synthesis's several different indoles within its growth. Its very possible these indoles themselves differ from lab grade or chemically synthesized psilocybin/psilocin. Its also verty apparent that any water soluble vitamin would contribute to its growth.

Using different substrates should be labeled in what vit and mineral and even anaerobic bacteria it contains.
I also think there are differences in what a "cultivator" suggest is an optimal substrate and what a "user/cultivator" suggest as an optimal substrate.

One could ultimately grow just using straight cow manure and vermiculite but I wouldn't do that because it will produce a buzz that's real "heady" and a large body load.

Different subs also give gourmet mushrooms different flavors.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21877833 - 06/30/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Indoles are indoles dude. There's not even isomers of those chemicals.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21878057 - 06/30/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so do you have to throw out whole batches of mushrooms because they are "bad trip" genetics cubes?




Just imagine it! 30 batches of "waste"!!! Just thrown away like yesterdays trash!:laugh:







I burn all those garbage cubes in my fire pit.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: makingmoney]
    #21878066 - 06/30/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Makingmoney,

I can assure you it's not your medication. I'm not on any medications myself and haven't been for a few years now. I'm healthy. It's not you or the meds it's the genetics of the fruits.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21878090 - 06/30/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Makingmoney,

I can assure you it's not your medication. I'm not on any medications myself and haven't been for a few years now. I'm healthy. It's not you or the meds it's the genetics of the fruits.




Maybe you need to get back on said meds.


I'm very sure Prozac (an ssri) does affect strength of trips.  You need to be off an srri for like 4 to 6 weeks for it to be absent from your system though.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #21878099 - 06/30/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Forgive me for asking, but if you single out 30 different monocultures in the hopes of hitting "the motherload of genetics" arent you just essentially, in a smaller scale, doing what a multispore inoc would do, only that youre getting the different seize and potency mushrooms in seperate containers? I was under the impression that isolates are being done in order to single out the mycelium thats the "healthiest" and also to have a copy of the genetics incase it should turn out to be a positive mutation? Can someone school me here please? If you want the biggest and baddest of the shrooms then multispore followed by cloning of the one that looks nicest to you would be easier??

Maybe the potency hasnt gone up, but at least your yeild (and also therefore your psilo-yeild) has gone up. If you want the one with highest potency then thats a bit tricky and time consuming unless you have a lab where you can test a fruit body's potency while its still "alive and cloneable", but even this wouldnt be too reliable as psilo-content differs in different parts of the fruit body. I think this is why everyone is telling you to simply eat more... If you reached the point where your stomach doesnt have enough room Id take that as a sign to take a break:stoned:





yes, Cloning a ms fruit would be easier and smarter way of doing things. STarting ms on agar and isolating that way is a waste of time if the spores/or strain is bunk to begin with, imo.

Isolation is good for one thing and one thing only.... and it mainly has to do with cosmetics of the fruits.... Like... isolate and fruit your monocultures... Some will produce little fruits, big fruits and then little fruits with huge clusters vs huge fruits with huge clusters...

So basically, clone a potent bomb ass ms spore fruit... then isolate until you get consistent big fruited clusters... That way you get the most of of your yeilds.


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Re: Why is it so damned hard to get potent mushrooms [Re: RyeJar]
    #21878109 - 06/30/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oooookk i need to get back on my meds...  yeah.... that's the issue.

I dont know... maybe it does but i'm just saying I'm not on any meds and can rule that out.


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