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neef
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Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do?
#21874311 - 06/29/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone!
I have a group of about ten qt jars of different spawn that was either labeled (sharpie on the jar) that was worn off or non labeled jars I know the all consist of eithe B+, AA+, or Pan Jamaica and Hawaiian to which I don't know what do with. My idea is to spawn one qt in its own monotub since you can't spawn serveral different kinds in one tub. So I'm wondering how big of a tub I should use for one qt of spawn? I'd rather not g2g them since I'm trying to slow down and have way to much labeled spawn as is. (If that's even possible) Any input would be great was gonna go to the store soon since I have my coir/verm cooling down now.
Thank you have a great day, Neef
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef] 1
#21874332 - 06/29/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A cube is a cube, eh? Why not just mix them?
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21874342 - 06/29/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey brother. If you're going to spawn each jar alone, you won't have enough for a tub (a mini mono requires at least 3 quarts from my experience). You want a higher spawn to substrate ratio for best success. I recommend putting your substrate into a large mycobag with filter patch...a pound of substrate per bag would work well with a 1 quart spawn. Then, you just fruit them, when ready, in SGFC. I got good yields using 1 lb manure bags and quarts of cambodians. Good luck. I hope this helps!
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Green Bastard]
#21874397 - 06/29/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Green Bastard said: A cube is a cube, eh? Why not just mix them?
Only thing is their not all cube spawn jars
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21874407 - 06/29/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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do micro-monos! they only require 1 qt of spawn each at a 2:1 ratio with 2" sub depth. they are a little larger than a shoe box.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: FriedEgg]
#21874419 - 06/29/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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mix em all in a big tub, for science!
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: thoraxx]
#21874433 - 06/29/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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post pics and we can distinguish cube myc from panaeolus myc. at least the cubes can be mixed and the pans probably too but I wont say 100% for sure on them.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: FriedEgg]
#21874438 - 06/29/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: do micro-monos! they only require 1 qt of spawn each at a 2:1 ratio with 2" sub depth. they are a little larger than a shoe box.
Aka the 6 quart dub tub. Here's a link: https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/
Edited by Psilosoulful (06/29/15 05:06 PM)
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: thoraxx] 1
#21874439 - 06/29/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Make new names up for them. Mushrooms have feelings too. What if they want a name and to be loved? Like what you'd do for your kid! Except they don't scream, cry and whine
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21874441 - 06/29/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mix cube types all the time. It's fine. You can mix as many as you like. Make a proper mono. However, if by Pan Jamaica you are referring to a Panaeolus variety then keep that separate.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: thoraxx]
#21874458 - 06/29/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: do micro-monos! they only require 1 qt of spawn each at a 2:1 ratio with 2" sub depth. they are a little larger than a shoe box.
So just get the closest to a shoe box sized tub I can find? What about height?
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thoraxx said: mix em all in a big tub, for science!
I want to mix them but if the cubes win will the tub throw both B+ and AA+? Or just one
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21874462 - 06/29/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said:
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FriedEgg said: do micro-monos! they only require 1 qt of spawn each at a 2:1 ratio with 2" sub depth. they are a little larger than a shoe box.
Aka the 6 quart dub tub. Here's a link: https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-total-retard-tek/
please dont link to that awful website. there's plenty of shoe box grows on the shroomery that doesnt have a useless POS write up along with it..!
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21874475 - 06/29/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want to mix them but if the cubes win will the tub throw both B+ and AA+? Or just one
The stronger, healthier mycelium will take over the weaker one and fruit only that strain.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21874476 - 06/29/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't tell you the phenotype of the fruit bodies or get caught up in names. The tub will fruit just fine. Keep the Cubensis and Panaeolus separate.
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Edited by SteveRogers (06/29/15 05:14 PM)
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: spacechildo]
#21874487 - 06/29/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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Psilosoulful said:
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FriedEgg said: do micro-monos! they only require 1 qt of spawn each at a 2:1 ratio with 2" sub depth. they are a little larger than a shoe box.
Aka the 6 quart dub tub. Here's a link: https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-total-retard-tek/
please dont link to that awful website. there's plenty of shoe box grows on the shroomery that doesnt have a useless POS write up along with it..!
But I followed that to get my first successful grow, I gotta respect that tek for helping me start my shroomy adventures
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21874507 - 06/29/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yuck lol. I followed docs wbs tek and the pillow case pasteurization method my first time. Looking back I wish I could shoot it down and never have done that because it took me through 6 months of success to straight failure. I literally had to start over again and revise everything. I changed my entire procedure. I much prefer the new stuff to anything I started with :P
Edited by Mad Season (06/29/15 05:21 PM)
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21874519 - 06/29/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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just because you can get away with a lot of shit doesnt mean you should tell people to do it. last someone linked it I counted 10 total s before I simply stopped reading.
also its bad etiquette to link offsite links..
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: spacechildo]
#21874550 - 06/29/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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also its bad etiquette to link offsite links..
I didn't know that!
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21874793 - 06/29/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said:
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I want to mix them but if the cubes win will the tub throw both B+ and AA+? Or just one
The stronger, healthier mycelium will take over the weaker one and fruit only that strain.
This will hold true for both cubes and pans? After further investigation I realize I did label the pan just not what strain of pan (hopefully I used the correct terminology). I will mix the cubes together and the pans together. LET THE BEST FUNGUS WIN!
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21874815 - 06/29/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha not quite. Panaeolus species are just that. Different species. Panaeolus cyanescens bali is a strain of pan cyan. Along with pan cyan Jamaican and Hawaiian.
Psilocybe cubensis is the species and it has lots of strains in it.
I hope you see multiple fruits of different types
Edited by Mad Season (06/29/15 06:23 PM)
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Mad Season]
#21875030 - 06/29/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I have 5 qt of random cube spawn and 5 qt of pan
How big of tubs should I use?
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21875215 - 06/29/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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here is the micro mono i use. it's about 25% the size of a full size tub but a little shorter. if your mushies are taller they will just coil up and make room for themselves. it's 9"x6.5" at the base. total volume is 1.9qt at 2" depth. perfect for a 1:1 ratio at 2" or a 1:2 ratio at 3".
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neef said: So I have 5 qt of random cube spawn and 5 qt of pan
How big of tubs should I use?
a standard 51qt or 66qt tub should do be fine for 5qt of spawn at a 1:2 ratio of 2"-3" depth. you should use a spawn calculator though. i know there is one around somewhere. does anyone have a link to it?
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: FriedEgg]
#21875233 - 06/29/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol I just wing it. 66 qt mono is great though. Wouldn't really recommend more.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Mad Season]
#21875255 - 06/29/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Lol I just wing it. 66 qt mono is great though. Wouldn't really recommend more.
yea its not really that important as long as you're in the ballpark but its hard to be in the ballpark unless you have something to base it off of.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: FriedEgg]
#21875887 - 06/29/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MIX THEM ALL TOGETHER AND LET IT HAPPEN
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: bugman]
#21875962 - 06/29/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bugman said: MIX THEM ALL TOGETHER AND LET IT HAPPEN 
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21876007 - 06/29/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tin foil pans with plastic lids (as used to take lasagnia to parties.) Check dollarstores as target overcharges.
Burn holes every 2 inches in the lid with a soldering iron.
They work pretty well and are ideal for a single quart of spawn. Just lightly mist the casing and mist the lid 1-2x a day.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21877125 - 06/30/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ended up buying two 30qt monotubs last night and mixing them up this morning so I will keep you updated on the progress
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21877202 - 06/30/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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neef said: Ended up buying two 30qt monotubs last night and mixing them up this morning so I will keep you updated on the progress
YES!!!!
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: bugman]
#21878219 - 06/30/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I should clarify I mixed all the supposedly cube jars together in one mono and the pans that were marked in another. My question is since there different strain in each will colonizing times be compromised?
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Edited by neef (06/30/15 01:48 PM)
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21878241 - 06/30/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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no. The cube and pan may colonize at different rates though.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: SteveRogers]
#21878363 - 06/30/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mixing cube strains will increase colonization times. They need to consolidate genetics whenever they meet.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21878473 - 06/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: no. The cube and pan may colonize at different rates though.
May have not wrote my question right was wondering if the times for each tub would be different then the "average" cube or pan tub.
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GreenRabbit said: Mixing cube strains will increase colonization times. They need to consolidate genetics whenever they meet.
Good to know. Just for the record I feel honored you posted in my thread.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21878474 - 06/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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all MS grows has thousands of strains meeting..
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21878492 - 06/30/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: Mixing cube strains will increase colonization times. They need to consolidate genetics whenever they meet.
I would love to see any information substantiating that claim.
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spacechildo said: all MS grows has thousands of strains meeting..
Indeed.
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Edited by SteveRogers (06/30/15 03:03 PM)
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: SteveRogers]
#21954988 - 07/17/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bad news everyone. The cube mono tub got contaminated I'm not to sure why though. Could it be due to the fact my LC was bad and never showed in the spawn jars or maybe the fact I wiped down the new tub with a Clorox wipe before mixing sub and spawn together? Any input would be great.
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Re: Have a bunch of no labeled spawn what to do? [Re: neef]
#21955002 - 07/17/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes to the lc. That's why you have to test all liquids on agar first. Also it's best to just start with agar to ensure a clean inoculation. Follow the improve your sterile techniques link in my signature. Even if it didn't have trich in the lc or spawn, bacteria really opens it up for other contaminations like trich.
Another thing that gets a lot of trich is if you cook manure for either too long or too high of a temperature. Manure should be 140-160 for an hour. No more and no less.
Better luck next time. Clean spawn seriously seems to fight that shit like it's nothing.
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