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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: tripN]
    #21885588 - 07/01/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So say you raise the tax, cut the military and send that dough to SS.

Sooner or later the well will run dry then we get what Greece is going through.

At this point it is damn neer impossible to pay our debts, I wonder how long it will last, when will our land and all assets be reposest?

SS get it like the holocaust guys. One kills faster but the other kills an entire country (the best ever seen) and society.




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Are you seriously arguing that making the rich pay a percentage of their income to SSI will bankrupt the country? Do you realize how disasterous the state of affairs in America will be if we don't preserve social security?

I know that there's some reason you people think the wealthy shouldn't pay taxes, but I have news for you, even Warren Buffet doesn't believe he should be paying a lower percentage of his income than his secretary.

I suppose you think we should continue to impose austerity measures on the poor in order to increase the massive bankrolls of billionaires, but I find that notion reprehensible.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21886055 - 07/02/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"The top 10 percent of income earners paid 68 percent of all federal income taxes in 2011 (the latest year available), though they earned 45 percent of all income. The bottom 50 percent paid 3 percent of income taxes, but earned 12 percent of income."

just sayin...


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21887380 - 07/02/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Both major parties are just two sides of the same coin, the two hands of a puppet master that pretends to offer a choice. Only simpletons and liberals believe it entirely.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21887705 - 07/02/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If a gop had done half the things obumble did, the same loonies that are defending obumble would be on the warpath calling him a terrible president. "sent us off to war after promising the opposite?" fail "said he would go easy on medical pot and cracked down instead?" A gop would never get away with that, they would rant about it every day. But obumble gets no flack from the left. They don't like it and dimly understand something is wrong but they keep pulling the d lever no matter what.

Wait till the full impact of the bargain with the devil called tpp comes out. They will try to blame it on bush somehow.




Well where did he send us off to war. We still have some troops in Iraq and Afghanistan only because the regimes there requested it. They know that without a some troops there, they'd crumble like a sandcastle at high tide. And it's no where the numbers of troops we had there before they were drawn down.

yes, he did crack down on medweed growers beccause they were growing pot over and above what was allowed by state law. And he's allowed Colorada and Washington state to proceed freely with their recreation use and laws. And I don't like the TPP anymore that you but it was Republicans in the house and senate who overwhelmingly gave him the green light to proceed.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21887899 - 07/02/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Both major parties are just two sides of the same coin, the two hands of a puppet master that pretends to offer a choice. Only simpletons and liberals believe it entirely.




Plenty of conservatives would vote for Jebb over Bernie. Bernie is not a status quo politician. When you say 'simpletons' and Liberals, what you mean is 'conservatives and liberals', but 'simpleton' is a more apt depiction, we can agree there :wink:


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21888021 - 07/02/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Well where did he send us off to war

For one, he sent troops back into Iraq after shrub had made a deal to pull them all out. Then there is arming our enemies in Syria to fight other enemies and now they use the arms against us. Plus other junk.

>We still have some troops in Iraq and Afghanistan only because the regimes there requested it.

I don't give a rats pattotie about what some puppet govt "requests" fuck 'em! And you are wrong, Afghanistan requested we get the hell out and obumble had to give major bribe money to get them to accept.

>They know that without a some troops there, they'd crumble like a sandcastle at high tide.

Let them crumble. Are you under the delusion that we are the world's cops and have to prop up every regime in sight? If we had left Iraq alone or just taught it a lesson instead of taking it over, it would never have gotten to the terrible state it is now.

>I don't like the TPP anymore that you but it was Republicans in the house and senate who overwhelmingly gave him the green light to proceed.

With help from crooked dems of course. If his own party had not deserted their principals, it would not have happened. He stabbed unions in the back big time. His motto is "hey, I don't have to run anymore so pound sand"


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888218 - 07/02/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Well where did he send us off to war

For one, he sent troops back into Iraq after shrub had made a deal to pull them all out. Then there is arming our enemies in Syria to fight other enemies and now they use the arms against us. Plus other junk.




No, there was huge draw down, which Bush engineered, but there's hardly 180K troops there like in the heydays of the conflict. And yes, we are arming some Syrian group, but that hardly means he's been sending us into war. I will agree with you that we need to stop that and let the Arab nations take care of that mess.

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>We still have some troops in Iraq and Afghanistan only because the regimes there requested it.

I don't give a rats pattotie about what some puppet govt "requests" fuck 'em! And you are wrong, Afghanistan requested we get the hell out and obumble had to give major bribe money to get them to accept.





They did! And yes we are giving them money as well. I'm sure you'll agree we need to stop doing that.

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>They know that without a some troops there, they'd crumble like a sandcastle at high tide.

Let them crumble. Are you under the delusion that we are the world's cops and have to prop up every regime in sight? If we had left Iraq alone or just taught it a lesson instead of taking it over, it would never have gotten to the terrible state it is now.




We are in agreement again! :laugh: We have no business being there and we wouldn't need to be if it weren't for the Saudis and their lovely oil. I say fuck them with a garden rake too. We can get our oil elsewhere. We cannot be the world's policeman- we can't afford it.

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>I don't like the TPP anymore that you but it was Republicans in the house and senate who overwhelmingly gave him the green light to proceed.

With help from crooked dems of course. If his own party had not deserted their principals, it would not have happened. He stabbed unions in the back big time. His motto is "hey, I don't have to run anymore so pound sand"




Yep, t'is true. I should have added that in my posting. Apologies.

But you see my friend, I may have Liberal leaning tendencies, but I'm not full-blown lib.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21888306 - 07/02/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LC, you are clearly not a brain dead moonbat so you deserve some credit for that.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21888352 - 07/02/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You may or may not be a lib, but being against the TPP isn't demonstrative of conservative values. Trade deals are a conservative policy, not a liberal one.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21888443 - 07/02/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From reading this derailed thread it's obvious to me that the two things that divide people the most are politics and religion.

At this very early point in the 2016 election, there is not one candidate that represents me.

what we need is term limits and a bit of common sense.

One of my biggest beliefs is that NATURE > GOV'T.  How can the government outlaw nature, to me that is just BS.  I'm pretty sure the  reason is that big pharma needs to make countless more billions making chemicals that exist freely in nature. So they just prop up the crony that will move their agenda forward.

Also, does no one else think something is screwed up when thousandaires go into office only to leave office millionaires.

Why are the insider trading records of elected officials in some basement.  It's ok to put the populations medical records online, but no we can put the house members and senators trading records online. 

It's all about money and power, it's a drug to them and they have to keep the vein tapped.

I'd rather elect a tow truck driver or a guy that does drywall than any of these lawyers that get into politics.

I will look into Mr. Sanders a bit further, but I know he will be just like the next guy.  Call me skeptical, but if you really look hard at a candidate you will always find something they have done /not done in the past that does not represent your view.  Your also going to be better off doing the research yourself, then taking the media's talking points and regurgitating it.  I do not blindly follow anyone because he has a (D), (R) or an (L) beside his name.  A large majority of them just bend over for the cash.

At least I know that the members participating in the politics forum are somewhat educated voters.  A big problem is people are too lazy to do any legwork on a candidate and blindly vote with party D or party R just because they want the "I Voted" sticker. A bill should be introduced requiring a civics test before you can place your vote.  Fail the test and your vote doesn't count.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Centerfinger]
    #21889613 - 07/02/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bernie is the only serious candidate who is not backed financially by any billionaires.

His average campaign donation is $40. His voting record demonstrates his values. He's been saying the same shit for 20+ years. He was an independent for most of his political career.

Nobody argues against Bernie Sanders' integrity. They may not like his very Liberal views, but he is not a liar.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21889794 - 07/02/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hope hitlery is having nightmares about sanders spoiling all her plans. He better watch his back, the Clintons don't play by the rules. Bill killed many people when pres and I'm sure he knows who to call if he wants another job done. Be alert for a "tragic accident". And any hint that it was orchestrated will be greeted with derision of course.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21890602 - 07/02/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I know that there's some reason you people think the wealthy shouldn't pay taxes, but I have news for you, even Warren Buffet doesn't believe he should be paying a lower percentage of his income than his secretary.






Oh.  That's why Warren Buffet has been fighting the IRS for the last 10 years on around 5 billion in back-taxes he owes.  :smirk:


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21890634 - 07/02/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope hitlery is having nightmares about sanders spoiling all her plans. He better watch his back, the Clintons don't play by the rules. Bill killed many people when pres and I'm sure he knows who to call if he wants another job done. Be alert for a "tragic accident". And any hint that it was orchestrated will be greeted with derision of course.




Yeah, I expect Bernie to have a few assassination attempts. It doesn't matter though. If they kill him he will be a martyr for Socialism! I think there would be more blow back than the Fascist right-wing/corporatists want.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21891262 - 07/03/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope hitlery is having nightmares about sanders spoiling all her plans. He better watch his back, the Clintons don't play by the rules. Bill killed many people when pres and I'm sure he knows who to call if he wants another job done. Be alert for a "tragic accident". And any hint that it was orchestrated will be greeted with derision of course.




Wow, so where's the proof? Oh it's a conspiracy..


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21891428 - 07/03/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You may or may not be a lib, but being against the TPP isn't demonstrative of conservative values. Trade deals are a conservative policy, not a liberal one.




Well, I have read folks of all political stripes are speaking out against it.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21892341 - 07/03/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You may or may not be a lib, but being against the TPP isn't demonstrative of conservative values. Trade deals are a conservative policy, not a liberal one.




Well, I have read folks of all political stripes are speaking out against it.




The TPP was overwhelmingly support by Republicans. Free trade is a right wing philosophy. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, and yes, Obama did support it. Probably the most dissapointing thing I've ever seen him do.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21892434 - 07/03/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The bad part of the TTP is that it allows immigration specifecly for companies like Google and Facebook, WTF?

Berrny sanders is not a liar or fake the one thing I love about him, he doesn't really care about being elected. I wish more politicians were like that telling us what they actually believe, not pandering to more popular ideas. Big points for berny there.

About the Clinton hit men. With the mountains of cash they have they can hire the best hit men in the world. I'll try to find the story for you, it was about there days in Arkansas when the one man that had the dirt on them died for no natural reason. It is a conspiracy theory  but unlike JFK, the moon landing and 9/11 the questions and doubts have not been fully answered.

I'm not a conspery theorist but political hit jobs go back to when we were apes, it's in our blood though today restrained very well.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: tripN]
    #21892502 - 07/03/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The bad part of the TTP is that it allows immigration specifecly for companies like Google and Facebook, WTF?

Berrny sanders is not a liar or fake the one thing I love about him, he doesn't really care about being elected. I wish more politicians were like that telling us what they actually believe, not pandering to more popular ideas. Big points for berny there.

About the Clinton hit men. With the mountains of cash they have they can hire the best hit men in the world. I'll try to find the story for you, it was about there days in Arkansas when the one man that had the dirt on them died for no natural reason. It is a conspiracy theory  but unlike JFK, the moon landing and 9/11 the questions and doubts have not been fully answered.

I'm not a conspery theorist but political hit jobs go back to when we were apes, it's in our blood though today restrained very well.




I can get behind a good conspiracy theory. I don't believe those sleezy bastards in Washington aren't willing or capable of conspiring. In fact, I think the situation regarding the TPP was quite a conspiracy. It was planned to play out in a very secretive manner, right in front of our eyes. Playing politics is generally the practice of conspiring. Have you ever watched house of cards? What a great show. I think its somewhat demonstrative of the atmosphere in Washington.

Also, I don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

By the way, you've mentioned a bad part about the TPP. I don't think it's 'the' bad part. The whole situation is bad, and I am assuming, since the bill is so secret, that it is also bad. What is the good thing about the TPP?


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: psyconaught]
    #21893153 - 07/03/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This thread just proves to me how much of a cult of personality Bernie Sanders really is.
"Bernie is love. Bernie is life."

Just like Obama was.




Let's judge everyone by their biggest fans.


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