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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: psyconaught]
    #21882452 - 07/01/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And likely, he be the same dismal quality President as the dumb-fuck we have now.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21882505 - 07/01/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I want to see rand paul vs Bernie. But it won't happen. It will be the tired old jeb vs crooked hill+billy and all the left wing loonies will vote for hitlery even as they tell you how terrible she is. Vote third party and don't waste your vote.

I have to write it hill+billy because pris gets upset if I use a - instead of the +. He may come down on this too since I pointed it out. Oh well, when you take hill you have to take billy, the tag team con men of politics.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21882609 - 07/01/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Obama is killing it and his approval rating is climbing. Only pissy little bitches don't like him. They're inconsequential now anyway because the losers they like will never be elected president.

Hillary is the anti-christ, Bernie is a Socialist ... BOO!

Right-wingers can go fuck themselves and it's good for the country that they're dying off like mayflies.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode]
    #21882764 - 07/01/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi, Im bernie sanders. Is your absolute minimal effort in life not being properly monetarily incentivized? vote for me!


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode] * 2
    #21882822 - 07/01/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Obama is killing it




Obama is killing it alright. The Dems have lost the Senate, the House, the majority of governorships and the majority of state legislatures.

Of course with the Republicans being as stupid as the Democrats, just in differing ways, they'll blow it soon enough. Then the Dems will blow it. Then the Reps. Then the Dems. Lather, rinse, repeat. It will be forever thus.

A divided government is the best government. The more divided, the better.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #21882851 - 07/01/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Obama is killing it alright. The Dems have lost the Senate, the House, the majority of governorships and the majority of state legislatures.

The most incompetent pres ever, broke more promises than any other, and brought big govt and big brother to us more than any other pres. Blindly supported by those who can't see past party label.

Its all a game, a pro wrestling act to fool the gullible into thinking there is some sort of choice between the two halves of the republicrats. Vote third party if you hope to ever get out of this mess. Vote Bernie in the primary if you are a dem, paul if you are a gop. Then vote third when you are presented with jeb vs hitlery.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21882955 - 07/01/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Third party who? How would a third group of dishonest fucks fucking us over change anything ?  Are we really supposed believe third party would be any different ? They have to suck dick for money to get elected just like everyone else .
  Vote gop or libertarian if you think info wars is a credible news source and jade helm 15 is taking over Texas . Or if your white and think whitey is under attack , think God cares about fags getting married , or just really want  to to see rich people get a tax break , ss privatized and poor folks welfare taken away .
  If you want the opposite of that , because in reality town the two main party's are not the same at all , vote for Bern .
      I remember the end of the bush presidency like it was yesterday everything was fucked .  During his final days in office we were losing 800,000 jobs per month . Obamas  presidency is looking like it is going to end so much better . And how  things are when your term is over is  what matters it what people remember you for .


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: psilynut]
    #21883014 - 07/01/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

keep crying ... all the while Barry and everyone else laughs at you while you and buys Kleenex stock.

poor, poor reichwingers :frown:


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode]
    #21883064 - 07/01/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The loonies have taken over the asylum. What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. But they will pull the dem lever no matter how they get played for fools, lied to, robbed, etc. Try something new? Can't do that, keep pulling the same lever and maybe next time it will make a difference. If the slot machines at vegas paid off as poorly as that, no one would play them. Except maybe the loony left, they always have hope.

Vote green or libertarian and break the stranglehold of the repubmocrats.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode]
    #21883158 - 07/01/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lurkmode said:
Obama is killing it and his approval rating is climbing. Only pissy little bitches don't like him. They're inconsequential now anyway because the losers they like will never be elected president.

Hillary is the anti-christ, Bernie is a Socialist ... BOO!

Right-wingers can go fuck themselves and it's good for the country that they're dying off like mayflies.




"Obama is killing it"

Yes he's killing the working middle class, that's an economic fact.  I glad you're so pleased with a President that has created the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years!!


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: qman]
    #21883217 - 07/01/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

created huh? didn't have anything to do with the grundlemuncher that came before huh?

some of you people know so little about the real world


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode]
    #21883243 - 07/01/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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created huh? didn't have anything to do with the grundlemuncher that came before huh?

some of you people know so little about the real world




He has had 6 years to fix it, but instead of fixing it he's only increased it. 

I know you find it very troubling that your hero has been a major sellout to the people he was supposed to represent, but he has only gotten the rich even richer.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: qman]
    #21883246 - 07/01/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>some of you people know so little about the real world

Ironic coming from a moonbat.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode]
    #21883277 - 07/01/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quick question

Is there one country or society that was or is socialist, became a world power and has held that position or even survived more than 1 century?

Socialism is great in small groups, a perfect example is Native American tribes, the men would hunt, woman pick fruit and vegatables. The point of it was survival, And it worked good.

But in a modern world were that won't willingly happen, all the people that don't want it will leave the country or find a way around it. Then it's the many hungry all alone.

We need a new idea not old ones that failed more than 90% in country's were it was tried.

No?


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: lurkmode]
    #21883466 - 07/01/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Obama is killing it and his approval rating is climbing.




Yes he killed free market health care pretty good.  Weren't my costs supposed to go down for health insurance? Nah, a payoff to the insurance companies aka the banks is all fine and dandy.

Instead of fixing the job market in year one, the dems decided to railroad a 'you need to pass before you find out whats in it' healthcare bill.

The two party system is a complete joke, a snake with two heads.  Both parties in bed with big business just one prefers bailing out the banks and the other for the war machine.

I say throw them all out, term limits would help us out the most.  It's a civic duty not a career.

Libertarian for me.  I took an oath to uphold and protect the constitution not run it into the ground.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Centerfinger]
    #21883597 - 07/01/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The two party system is a complete joke, a snake with two heads.  Both parties in bed with big business just one prefers bailing out the banks and the other for the war machine.

I say throw them all out, term limits would help us out the most.  It's a civic duty not a career.

Libertarian for me.  I took an oath to uphold and protect the constitution not run it into the ground.





Yes both sides are screwing us why root for one?


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: tripN]
    #21883824 - 07/01/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quick question

Is there one country or society that was or is socialist, became a world power and has held that position or even survived more than 1 century?

Socialism is great in small groups, a perfect example is Native American tribes, the men would hunt, woman pick fruit and vegatables. The point of it was survival, And it worked good.

But in a modern world were that won't willingly happen, all the people that don't want it will leave the country or find a way around it. Then it's the many hungry all alone.

We need a new idea not old ones that failed more than 90% in country's were it was tried.

No?




What a terrible analogy. Native Americans societies are not comparable to modern day social democracies. There are plenty of democratic socialist countries in the world that function perfectly well. The fact that some of them have some problems (which pale in comparison to America's enormous problems) does not mean they are dying or falling apart. I hear this argument of scale very often. The Nordic countries are smaller, so the whole game is different. I would like to see evidence that this is true, or that Capitalism works in countries of all sizes, but socialism only works on a small scale? This is propaganda.

America will either continue down the path of fascism, or implement socialism. Bernie is not comparable to Obama, just as Ron Paul is not comparable to G W bush.

Also, your analogy makes it sound like we, the helpless population of America (the women in your analogy), desperately need our corporate masters to provide for us (to hunt for us). I highly disagree. The way I see it, we are the hunters, and they are the leaches sitting around consuming disproportionate amounts of profit. Parasites. Taking tax money in enormous sums, with little societal benefit. Let them leave. The working class makes this country work.

Demanding a liveable wage, whether via a union, or via the government, is a citizens right. We're not asking for handouts. We're asking for the conditions to be met so that handouts are not needed in the first fucking place.

It is new deal principles that made America strong, NOT your beloved Reaganomics. For every corporate backed economist you find that supports Reaganomics, I can easily find 5 that argue otherwise.

Face it, right-wing fascism has had it's run. The Republicans will not take the white house, and they will not take congress in the upcoming election. Mark my words, watch, and weep.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21883893 - 07/01/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

tripN said:
Quick question

Is there one country or society that was or is socialist, became a world power and has held that position or even survived more than 1 century?

Socialism is great in small groups, a perfect example is Native American tribes, the men would hunt, woman pick fruit and vegatables. The point of it was survival, And it worked good.

But in a modern world were that won't willingly happen, all the people that don't want it will leave the country or find a way around it. Then it's the many hungry all alone.

We need a new idea not old ones that failed more than 90% in country's were it was tried.

No?




What a terrible analogy. Native Americans societies are not comparable to modern day social democracies. There are plenty of democratic socialist countries in the world that function perfectly well. The fact that some of them have some problems (which pale in comparison to America's enormous problems) does not mean they are dying or falling apart. I hear this argument of scale very often. The Nordic countries are smaller, so the whole game is different. I would like to see evidence that this is true, or that Capitalism works in countries of all sizes, but socialism only works on a small scale? This is propaganda.

America will either continue down the path of fascism, or implement socialism. Bernie is not comparable to Obama, just as Ron Paul is not comparable to G W bush.

Also, your analogy makes it sound like we, the helpless population of America (the women in your analogy), desperately need our corporate masters to provide for us (to hunt for us). I highly disagree. The way I see it, we are the hunters, and they are the leaches sitting around consuming disproportionate amounts of profit. Parasites. Taking tax money in enormous sums, with little societal benefit. Let them leave. The working class makes this country work.

Demanding a liveable wage, whether via a union, or via the government, is a citizens right. We're not asking for handouts. We're asking for the conditions to be met so that handouts are not needed in the first fucking place.

It is new deal principles that made America strong, NOT your beloved Reaganomics. For every corporate backed economist you find that supports Reaganomics, I can easily find 5 that argue otherwise.

Face it, right-wing fascism has had it's run. The Republicans will not take the white house, and they will not take congress in the upcoming election. Mark my words, watch, and weep.




If Jeb is in the race, the democrats cannot count on Florida, which is a huge blow in the electoral college. (ask Gore)


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21883993 - 07/01/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jebb will not be president. That just won't happen.


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Re: perhaps this will clear some misconceptions about Bernie Sanders a bit.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21884094 - 07/01/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok long list of misunderstandings


Terrable analogy: it was not analogy it was showing the difference in how socialism worked good verses how I think it will play out.

Nordic country's are smaller it won't work in big country's: those country's are smaller than or the same size as the county I live in. If it's somebody in new york I don't give a rats ass, if somebody in my town needs help I'll give them the shirt off my back. I care for my neighbors not for people I'll never meet.

I think your saying my analogy is sexist? Sorry but that's how the Indian tribes worked.

A livable wage is just that livable. If you want the other stuff get a better job, work your way up.

The new deal was bullshit. That's a fact. It's one step away from being a pyramid scheme. And by the day I would get SS checks it will be long gone!

And regan made more than his fair share of fuckups I'm no reganite drone.

In the end the government should be run as a business, and right now it's in debt and will never come out. Unless somebody starts treating it as a business.

Your arguments come off so self serving like it's all about the little guys, I got bad news it's up to them, you, me to find our own way. Don't lean on anybody, ask for what you haven't earned, the only time for that is your darkest hour. And then with how smart our government is they'll be late or not come at all. Hurricane Katrina, sandy ........


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