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Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits
    #2183558 - 12/16/03 06:24 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Some fella has grown a handful of times and had decent to good results.

A few things he was wondering about:

1. He has never seen real vigourous (or any) rhizomorphic growth. What conditions are conducive to rapid colonization of substrate by rhizomorphs? Even on agar he hasn't seen any.

2. His fruits have never been very large at all. He followed everything to a T and has TMC etc.

Anyone have advice for this guy?


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: no-tone]
    #2183909 - 12/16/03 08:46 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

1) I think most of it is done by chance... Also the strain you have, and the chance that it will produce a strong substrain. Im not real sure though.

2)Have you tried dung? Make your substrate larger, and that usually creates larger fruits. Also make sure your casing is moist and has enough water in the substrate so that the fruits can suck that water up for growth.

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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: no-tone]
    #2183925 - 12/16/03 08:49 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Large fruits are great to look at but if you are getting lots of small fruits then you are really better off. Small fruits dry much quicker and are therefore, IMO, better.


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2183960 - 12/16/03 08:58 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks fellas.


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: no-tone]
    #2184583 - 12/17/03 02:48 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Rhizomorphs are actually a phenotype response to substrate parameters. If you grow any mushroom on a substrate such as brf coated woodchips you will see that the introduction of solid wood materials more often than not results in strongly rhizomorphic mycelia. Many woodlovers automatically have this trait, but cubies on this substrate do the same thing.
I think what they say is that tomentose mycelia will not usually be as vigourous and perform as well because of the general lack of vigour in that substrain - if its fast and healthy looking it should perform no matter what it looks like with cubies.


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: no-tone]
    #2184760 - 12/17/03 07:21 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

You could start doing straw -- that should get you bigger mushrooms.

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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2185929 - 12/17/03 05:37 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)


How are you growing? cakes will only ocassionaly produce large fruits. Genetics has a lot to do with it as well. the B+ always grow huge. but the koh sumi under the same conditions only produces many tiny fruit It seems that the deeper the spawn the bigger the fruit up to about 6" deep anyway.


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: 95rh]
    #2186073 - 12/17/03 06:35 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

i think the next time he tries he's going to grow B+ on straw and shit.

Deeper substrate layer too.


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: 95rh]
    #2186402 - 12/17/03 08:33 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

"but the koh sumi under the same conditions only produces many tiny fruit"

The first shroom I EVER grew was koh saumi and it was HUGE and it was off a cake.


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Re: Rhizomorphic growth/Large Fruits [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2187266 - 12/18/03 05:58 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)


Just goes to show you that there are no real constants with fungus. I was not much impressed with the Koh Sumi but both the Treasure Coast, B+ and Blue Meanies seemed to like me much more.

You will ocassionally get large fruits off of cakes, dunking seems to help with yield a good bit, but for consistently large flushes you almost have to use straw or poo or both substrate 2-6" casing 1/2-1.5" deep.

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