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Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15
    #21872312 - 06/29/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use high quality root bark grom great vendors. I pulverize my own to a splintered powder wash 3 times at 2 hrs per. I use 4-5 gm rue and 30 gm yellow cielo mixture to inhibit. I do a very good thorough brew but use 33 gms for a sub breakthru experience and 40 to fully breakthru. These doses should rattle the cage of H.Thompson himself...whats my malfunction? Lol


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: 8thContinent]
    #21872450 - 06/29/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Any insight folks? I might add I'm 37 and quite experienced in all realms. Lsd,shrooms and aya/formohuasca. Could my extensive LSD usage through the years have screwed my tolerance for tryptamines? I wouldnt think so but I am no expert in this area.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: 8thContinent]
    #21872470 - 06/29/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

24 hours between thread bumps.  Just edit your first post if you want to add to it.

I'd drop the Rue completely and the ACRB temporarily.  Work with just Caapi for awhile.  60g is enough for me but people can be more or less sensitive to it and potency can vary from vine to vine.  Some take as much as 120g.

Once you're tripping off just Caapi you've found the right dose.  Your thoughts will start to braid,  you'll have some very unique visuals, and you should feel almost drunk.  From here start adding ACRB.  I'd start with 5g and see how that goes.  If you don't feel it at all increase it up to 10g.  If you still don't feel it I'd find another vendor.

Most of all be patient.  It could take a week or two depending on how much time you can devote to it to find what works with you.

As to your other question, unless you've taken another psychedelic within the last two weeks there shouldn't be cross tolerance.  Even then, I've found Ayahuasca to be quite overpowering and I've always tripped off it once I found the correct dosage of the correct vine.

On that note, avoid Black Ayahuasca or Caapi.  It's often Alicia Anisopetala and not Caapi at all.

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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21872633 - 06/29/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanx for your input. Ive been working with this combo for quite some time now,but Ive found myself wanting to lean more towards vine as ive worked with these mixtures for a while. I think youve confirmed my suspitions that its maoi related and not my light source at all. I do think I should know caapi better, my experiences say so and my curiosities have been feeling very drawn to the white vine. Maybe I will start there. My caapi only reaction should be quite visual and noticable alone,correct? I always used rue due to price and practicality but I believe I am quickly discovering its an inferior maoi/experience. Is this so in your experiences as well?


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: 8thContinent]
    #21872721 - 06/29/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Rue is just harsh.  I'm really surprised that 5g of Rue isn't inhibitory for you but it could be old seeds or just ones that weren't that strong to begin with as alkaloid content can vary a lot.

Because Rue is harsh I've had a few bad trips with it.  Caapi I find a lot more grounding.  I would probably take more than 60g of Caapi myself even though that's enough for me.  I would be very scared to take a higher dose of Rue and wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

That said, Caapi is also an SSRI and I think it's just a superior experience all around.

And yeah, Caapi only should be quite visual and noticeable.  But it's not like psychedelic visuals.  For me it was more 'liney' rather than wavy.  The mental space is quite noticeable too. Thoughts braiding.  Calm.  Grounded.  It's almost like an MDMA high a bit.

The body load is like being drunk.  Turn your head to quick and you want to puke.  Body feeling heavy.  It's not so bad if you move slow or try to stay still.  Just be deliberate with your movements and you should be alright with the body load.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: 8thContinent]
    #21872922 - 06/29/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have the same issue. I am using just rue and ACRB. So far I'm up to 100g just to have some light CEV and some OEV. I read people taking 5g only. Did things change for you?


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21873221 - 06/29/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok thanx paperbackwriter. Will take into account. I believe white vine is calling me. And to nutrip, I got zero effect from 25 gm brews in my first three brews ever and they were well brewed. I boosted it to 40 on my fourth try and had a very intense frightening breakthru that led me to believe I was in the afterlife,seriously intense. I was literally a part of this fractal machine with sounds like that of piano wires being overtightened a sort of "ting...tiiiing....tiiiiiing ting. I was folded up in this realm. It easnt bright like you see most art derived from, this was a dark...black,red and orange turbulent place. When i could open my eyes everything was alien and post apocalyptic in appearance. So I lowered my dose to 33 so I get three sessions per 100 gms but still remain at sub breakthru level for fear of another dark experience knowing that this dose should still bash my balls in even if I cut it to say 16 gm acrb,and as I stated its great acrb,everyone gives awesome reviews.....its just me....really I think its my maoi now as paperback and I were speaking of.Ive never used less than 25 gms even in my first brew. Im gonna start working with vine only til I find my sweetspot then ease in acrb 5 gms each brew til I find my perfect ratio like paperbackwriter said. Im gonna start from scratch/square one in my recipe.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: 8thContinent]
    #21873360 - 06/29/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im with you on acrb aswell mimmosa worked perfectly but i need high doses for acrb. my next tea will be 50g acrb


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21873625 - 06/29/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah
stuckinwonderland, The thing is ,probably with u as well,I KNOW its strong root bark, not regular bark or anything of that nature. Its either us or the maoi were using so I say maoi in my case almost certainly. I should be brewing no more than 15-20 gm batches. Especially 35,or 50 even 100 like some. If all is brewed well and good materials,definitely something amiss. Now mind you 40 of mine as I said IS overwhelming but should be that at 20 gm one would think.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: 8thContinent]
    #21873666 - 06/29/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i have been using vendors with good reviews for both syrian rue and acrb. and i always dose around 6 grams of syrian rue. its a little overkill but i want to make sure i dont under do it


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21873723 - 06/29/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I seriously take between 1.5 and 6g of ACRB tea.

But I'm more in it for the Caapi anyway :shrug:


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21874396 - 06/29/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It all comes down to dosage and timing. 10 grams of a properly brewed Acacia tea (using a tiny bit of citric acid, a couple or so egg whites and a few freeze/thaw/filter steps) can be strong, 20 grams would just be complete overkill. 4 grams of Rue seed in capsules or 180mgs to 200mgs of Rue full spectrum freebase extract gets the job done for me. Getting the timing right can be a tad bit difficult, and always keep the Rue or Caapi separate from the Mimosa or Acacia. You want to inhibit MAO-A first, so when you're feeling the Caapi or the Rue, it's a good time to drink the Mimosa or Acacia.

Btw, Rue is a very good MAO-A inhibitor, i haven't tried Caapi yet but Rue is wonderful. Ingesting the powdered seeds can be quite harsh, but using the freebase extract in a capsule is where it's at, and it feels much cleaner than ingesting the seeds. Also, one can tinker around with adding other plants to the mix that can change the effects of Rue to make it seem/feel cleaner, like 1 to 3 grams of Lemon Balm which can counteract Harmaline's GABA-A inverse agonism. With the Lemon Balm in the mix, the Rue feels so clean, and not sickly at all.

Practice makes perfect, experiment around and see what works for you.

As long as you're MAO-A inhibition is good to go, then the DMT part will last 3 to 4 hours and the Rue or Caapi should last between 6 to 8 hours.

And yes, try experimenting around with just the Rue or Caapi by itself when you get the time, try adding different plants with it and you can learn a lot about different plants, maybe even find your own amazing Ayahuasca concoction.

Oh, and btw, the more Rue or Caapi you use, the less Mimosa/Acacia you'll need. The less Rue or Caapi you use, the more Mimosa/Acacia you'll need.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: Sabnock]
    #21878974 - 06/30/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

8thContinent I did some ACRB again last night. Upped my dose to around 136g, it was much more intense that 100, but no break through. Although I think taking twice the rue (~5g) messed things up for me. I ended up in the restroom one hour into it. That's as high as I think I can go though, the brew gets tough to down at this level. I will try to cappi like paperbackwriter suggests as well.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: Sabnock]
    #21879007 - 06/30/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I worry that I mess up the brew processes. I don't do the freeze method, Does this make that much of a difference. Also, I boil pretty hard this time to make sure, also using more vinegar.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21880768 - 06/30/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I worry that I mess up the brew processes. I don't do the freeze method, Does this make that much of a difference. Also, I boil pretty hard this time to make sure, also using more vinegar.




The freeze method allows all the sediment to precipitate out of the brew so that it can be filtered off into a cleaner tea. Also, if all you have is vinegar, personally i'd skip using it and skip the egg white, just freeze/thaw/filter the brew a few times. 10 to 20 grams will definitely be a strong dose of Acacia if you have good quality Acacia and your MAO-A enzyme is fully inhibited beforehand. I had a precognitive vision about my dad using 10 grams of Acacia, a capsule of purified mansked Harmalas from Rue, and about 3 grams of Lemon Balm, it was a strong dose, and unfortunately the vision came true about two weeks later (he died). But yeah, Acacia is some strong stuff, you definitely don't need as much as you're using.

I think once you get the timing right, you'll find it working really well. If you get desperate enough, you can always try it like i started out back in 2012, filling up 6 capsules with ground Rue seed, and taking 3 or 4 Mimosa root powder capsules, or maybe 6 or so Acacia root powder capsules, and take the Rue 30 minutes before the Mimosa or Acacia, it will definitely work.

Another thing you could try that i did back in 2012, is take about 3 grams of Mimosa or 10 grams of Acacia, put the root powder into a jar, add some hot water, put the lid on, shake it real good periodically and let it sit overnight. Then, pour off the liquid through a coffee filter, and let the liquid evaporate down to a residue. This residue is usually a nice, powdery/flaky residue that can be scraped up and usually packed into 1 to 2 capsules or so, and if taken 30 to 45 minutes after taking Rue seed capsules, it'll definitely get the job done. I had one experience with Rue and Mimosa residue, where my body went numb from my feet up to my head, i saw a bright white light and all of my awareness was focused on my forehead (third eye), i freaked, threw up and haven't had an experience like it since. That residue can surely kick ass :P


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: Sabnock]
    #21882702 - 07/01/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The freeze method allows all the sediment to precipitate out of the brew so that it can be filtered off into a cleaner tea. Also, if all you have is vinegar, personally i'd skip using it and skip the egg white, just freeze/thaw/filter the brew a few times. 10 to 20 grams will definitely be a strong dose of Acacia if you have good quality Acacia and your MAO-A enzyme is fully inhibited beforehand. I had a precognitive vision about my dad using 10 grams of Acacia, a capsule of purified mansked Harmalas from Rue, and about 3 grams of Lemon Balm, it was a strong dose, and unfortunately the vision came true about two weeks later (he died). But yeah, Acacia is some strong stuff, you definitely don't need as much as you're using.

I think once you get the timing right, you'll find it working really well. If you get desperate enough, you can always try it like i started out back in 2012, filling up 6 capsules with ground Rue seed, and taking 3 or 4 Mimosa root powder capsules, or maybe 6 or so Acacia root powder capsules, and take the Rue 30 minutes before the Mimosa or Acacia, it will definitely work.

Another thing you could try that i did back in 2012, is take about 3 grams of Mimosa or 10 grams of Acacia, put the root powder into a jar, add some hot water, put the lid on, shake it real good periodically and let it sit overnight. Then, pour off the liquid through a coffee filter, and let the liquid evaporate down to a residue. This residue is usually a nice, powdery/flaky residue that can be scraped up and usually packed into 1 to 2 capsules or so, and if taken 30 to 45 minutes after taking Rue seed capsules, it'll definitely get the job done. I had one experience with Rue and Mimosa residue, where my body went numb from my feet up to my head, i saw a bright white light and all of my awareness was focused on my forehead (third eye), i freaked, threw up and haven't had an experience like it since. That residue can surely kick ass :P




Man, sorry to hear about your dad.

I definitely tried 5 packed caps of Rue my last attempt, and I will not do that again. It really messed me up and I think affected the trip. I have done 20g of Acacia smoothie a few weeks back and the trip was mild. So I am not sure if I'm not getting enough MAOI effect. I wont be going at the 100s anymore, just I can't down that stuff man.

I'll try the freezing method and see. Do you still reduce after the freezing and thaw? Does the egg affect the potency?


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21883765 - 07/01/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still reduce the brew if need be after the freezing and thawing, i usually try to get it to a gram per ml or a gram per 5mls. As for the egg white cleansing affecting potency, it does i have noticed, but when a bit of citric acid is added to the brew before adding the egg whites, there doesn't seem to be any potency loss. I've heard egg whites can also effect a Rue or Caapi brew, so if i was ever going to attempt that, i'd definitely make it acidic first just in case, otherwise, making an acidic tea out of Rue extract isn't that bad, it's does taste a bit bitter, but not as bad as i thought it would be... i just prefer to stick with the Rue extract capsule though.

Yeah back in 2012 i started out taking 6 capsules of ground Rue seed and like 12 capsules of Mimosa inner root powder, little did i know the Mimosa was way too much. I eventually got the amount of capsules down to 4 capsules of Rue seed and 2 to 3 capsules of Mimosa root powder. Thing is, i can't even fathom how i used to take the plant material in capsules, makes me nauseous just thinking about it.

But yeah i'm going to be investigating some more Mimosa and Acacia residue though, it seems like a good way to go.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: Sabnock]
    #21888637 - 07/02/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sabnock Thanks for the info. I have noticed that I cannot take much more than three 00 caps of rue, tested it out again last night. The 3caps did have side effects, but not even close to 5 caps.

I'll have to investigate the residue, it looks like it take longer to produce. But if the side effects aren't as bad maybe it is worth it.

I'm almost giving up the idea of breaking through at this point. Maybe it isn't too bad having mind manifesting while in the body isn't such a bad idea. Side effects at high dose is too much of a pain.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21889848 - 07/02/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh i did forget to mention earlier that the Harmalas have a reverse tolerance, so the more you take it, the stronger it gets. Just keep that in mind.

As for breaking through, i haven't yet broken through on smoked DMT because i add Harmalas to the mix and smoke on the bowl periodically, but Ayahuasca/Changa has so much more to offer than what DMT by itself does, i do believe. I haven't yet had the courage to take the plunge when it comes to vaping a quick few puffs of pure DMT, but maybe one day. As for breaking through on Ayahuasca, idk if it's possible to get to the point on Ayahuasca that you would with pure DMT. I myself, i don't even see visual activity that much from Ayahuasca even though i've used quite the strong doses before, it's always been more about feeling and consciousness exploration that visuals to me so i don't mind it much. But when i started with Changa, i seem to experience more visual activity than with Ayahuasca.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: Sabnock]
    #21896055 - 07/04/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That is very interesting. I felt the same way on my 40g that I had. It was a body feeling, it was still profound.

I'm using it primarily to improve my meditation. I think it is helping, and the body high is definitely important part of that. Although, with body high, its harder to stay focused.

I did not know about reverse tolerance of Harmalas. I'll have to look into that, thanks for mentioning it.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21897136 - 07/04/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah i feel it could definitely improve meditation. I didn't even care about meditation, yoga, mudras, spirituality or any of that until i found Ayahuasca. Also, i feel so normal on Ayahuasca, i can function better than i can while sober, my body feels better, i feel more pumped up, alert, energetic, i can concentrate and focus, i can clean and organize, my personality comes out more, i feel more loose and relaxed so it's easier for me to socialize... Ayahuasca is by far the best medicine i've ever taken. But i use more moderate doses these days rather than heavy/strong doses because strong doses, especially of the Harmalas, can floor someone.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: Sabnock]
    #21901936 - 07/05/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hear you on the high dose. Sometimes I feel more drunken feeling on my acacia brew though, not sure why. Other times, I feel so focused. I need to figure with the differences are. I definably look forward to the changes, i'm still new to it all.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21917022 - 07/08/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At my last 35 gm session of three wash acrb I completely go into a realm of that of say psyhcedelic gears of pure visuals eyes open or closed and completely detach from body and earth. I do a very thorough brew. I pulverize my matetials myself and can each seperately into jars with my slightly acidic water so it steeps in its first wash for a week or two before I fully wash 3 x and reduce to 4 oz each and I always drink my 5 gm rue brew 30 mins previous to my acrb brew.This last experience was my second strongest to date. I was folded up into the visuals even feeling said vizzies physically...gone for certain.It should just come at 15 gms from the majorities of experiences ive researched.


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    #21933451 - 07/12/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

8thContinent That sounds like an amazing experience.


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Re: Why am I using 30-40 gms acrb to get what others can on 10-15 [Re: nutrip]
    #21943635 - 07/14/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It a difficult experience at times,lol. Its a must to just submit.


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    #21959855 - 07/18/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its easy to know, can be hard to submit though. I am going through that right now so I am putting more effort into meditation to learn to let go.


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