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Anxious trippers
    #21872154 - 06/29/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey. Wondering if I can get some help? Would be very appreciated. A bit about myself: 22 years old, borderline/semi alcoholic, moderate/severe generalized anxiety including both depersonalization and derealization (these have both died down to a minimal over the years, no longer bother me but still noticeable). Low social anxiety, mostly socially confident but mild social retardation for instance a lack of regular social skills or below average, but nothing that bothers me. Anxious about ridiculous things, anxiety attacks I used to have consisted of me thinking I was having a heart attack or my liver or pancreas was failing or throat closing up or something, random fears of death out of the blue - triggered more often when far from home, excessive hot weather, smoking pot (stopped doing this), on an aeroplane, lack of sleep etc. Note I haven't had an anxiety attack for over a year which was the last time I did truffles, so it had calmed down a lot.

I've stopped all other drugs apart from alcohol but I'm still interested in taking Shrooms and I do so every year or so but I have a problem with bad trips even if I'm in a comfortable environment with people I'm very comfortable with. I've tripped on Shrooms twice and truffles 3 times, found the effects to be pretty much the same and any differences assumed to be the environment/mood rather than the strain and dosage I'm taking. I'll be taking them again this Wednesday with a few good friends and we'll head through some fields in the sun. The last trip I had was pretty horrific despite only taking about 7g of Utopia truffles, which as you all probably know isn't a high dose at all. I've had a great time on 3g dried caps and another time on about 13g of Utopia truffles, for some unknown reason I tripped absolute balls from the 7g dosage and I have no idea why.

I'm starting to worry about Wednesday already just because of last time, I'm not entirely sure I should even be doing them since my mental health isn't great but I'm chasing a high I've had before I guess and feel it's possible again. None of my friends ever have a bad trip when I trip with them and they're aware that I'm the only one who goes a bit south so they do look after me but it doesn't help because last time my GF and good friend were with me but I was still convinced I was going to die even from a small dosage so their company didn't particularly help and I actually felt like being alone. Also note I'm very sensitive to visuals which could contribute to fear, my friends have complained about having no visuals from 15g Mexicana truffles when I was experiencing full blown visuals from as little as 7g, then when I upped the dose to 15g everything I looked at would transform drastically. No vibrant colours which friends noted, just strong visual shifts and and uncontrollable thought loop, although that trip wasn't particularly bad.

Hoping there's somebody here maybe a similar type of anxiety to me or if you know of somebody similar with ideas on controlling trips better. I will make sure I get a long sleep the day before and eat a cherries and a banana before going to bed for natural melatonin/tryptophan to improve quality sleep. Possibly need something for nausea since I always vomit although that doesn't usually bother me either. Also what about drinking alcohol the previous days? Will avoid it the day before but not sure about any earlier. Can blood sugar be a problem? I feel some of my causes of negative thoughts when tripping could be fixed with maybe a sugar rush or something that stimulates so maybe a trick for this? I'm not particularly sure why I want to keep doing them when they could possibly make me worse, but I get a strange sensation cryptic sensation when the trip is going well and I feel they could help me if I manage to pull off a clean trip. That's all, any further responses acknowledged. Thanks for later.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21872361 - 06/29/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Have you tried kava bro?


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21872449 - 06/29/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tea helps a lot with nausea.

Deep breathes are good for anxiety.  Stretching, yawning,  whatever you need to do to release some tension.  Water and fresh fruit is good just in general. 

Sending some good vibes your way :laugh:


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21872576 - 06/29/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Make tea. Be alone. Dark room. Blacklights. Buy the mindfold. Use it for first 2 hours of trip and meditate. I just lay on my bed or couch. Somewhere with lots of pillows and blankets. No music. Only nature sounds on youtube. Have plenty of water, snacks prepared.

Hydrate plenty and vitamins and I like to eat one big meal like 4 hours before I dose. Sucks tripping while starving lol. So maybe a little piece of chocolate when you dose, but nothing more or you will puke.

For anxiety, I take low dose kratom an hour or so before I dose. Really really helps. Makes your trip a lot happier IME. But i take kratom everyday medicinally at the moment too soooo yeah. If you're gonna try kratom before a trip, take like 3-4 grams. Not too much. Helps out sooooo muxh. But make sure you're drinking lots of water. Cold water :wink:

I learned this method through trials and some rough moments. Shrooms demand respect. So much in my case, that I cannot have any external stimuli or it fuck with my thought patterns. But if you use my method, especially with the mindfold, you will see the most amazing visions ever. You will train your imagination to grow and now I never want to trip without the mindfold if I'm shrooming. So yeah, my 2 cents are kratom and mindfold primarily. Oh and don't smoke weed until after the peak


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Heisencybin]
    #21873422 - 06/29/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Best method for anxiety when you are in the trip itself is to use nitrous oxide cream chargers. Its a quick relief if you are in a crisis. Insert into your whipped cream dispenser, fill the gas into a ballon and then breathe into the ballon a few times. Repeat as nessesary.
For herbs I would recommend skullcap (Scutellaria) to calm yourself down before tripping.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21873961 - 06/29/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Been looking up Kava for a while, sounds good and will probably give that a shot as I haven't tried it. Alcohol used to work, a few beers on the come up would put me in a good mood and relax me, but I have a pretty high tolerance atm and alcohol and it doesn't do much other than make me feel stupid. Kratom also sounds good.

I Won't be able to do them alone this time as it's already planned and I'm determined to make it a good experience instead of being a pussy like I usually am. I like to talk a lot when I'm tripping anyway, when I'm enjoying it I've been known to walk off and talk nonsense to random people and cows and shit, people don't usually know I'm tripping they just think I have aspergers or something.

Kava or kratom sounds like a really good idea though so I shall try them out before I trip. I would love to learn how to trip properly and consistently so I can do it a few times a year without worry. Thanks for the help bro's


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21874058 - 06/29/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To my understanding alcohol is a downer, and will effect your trip in a negative way I have been told that mixing in ecstasy with shrooms makes for a great trip.

However I have no experience mixing shrooms with alcohol or ecstasy, just weed and weeds effects on me are good I stop thinking about the problems in my life and instead feel real good.

Just double check your set and setting for the trip, I know I wouldn't go tripping in a place far from home


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21874337 - 06/29/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ideas on controlling trips better.




Trying to control the trip sometimes causes more problems than it solves. You can't really control your thoughts when you are tripping - trying and failing to control the trip just causes more anxiety.

You can influence your mindset to be more positive - for example remind yourself that you are tripping for fun, that mushrooms are a very safe drug in terms of physical effects on the body, that weird feelings from the trip are perfectly normal. Try and let yourself go with the trip.

It can be hard to stop anxious feelings from surfacing, but remind yourself that anxious thoughts are just part of the trip, it's OK to feel weird and worried.......basically it sometimes helps to say "fuck it" and stop acting like a policeman inside your own head who's trying to keep everything in order.

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I'm not entirely sure I should even be doing them since my mental health isn't great




I think tripping can sometimes provoke anxiety (I get quite nervous on shrooms, mainly during the onset, especially on high doses) but if you've tripped before then at least you know what to expect. It's hard to control anxiety when tripping, but sometimes it helps to be aware that it's anxiety itself that is the issue, not the thing that you are anxious about. :peace:


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21874361 - 06/29/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, anxiety can produce a vicious feedback loop.

OP, I suffer from anxiety too and I eat a lot of mushrooms.  Please reread my post up above before adding Kratom or any other drug to your mushroom trip.  It may work for awhile but learning to confront and work through your anxiety might be a lot more productive in the long run.

*edit*  Have you talked to your friends about your feelings?  Depending on how close you are it may be really helpful.  If they're the type that would tease you about it maybe find kinder people to trip with.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21876357 - 06/30/15 01:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ty Aldebaran, so you think the anxiety is just part of the trip and accepting it is the way to go? The thing that gets me is I'm way more anxious than my friends around me and they seem to just be able to go with it, I've also noticed that when I'm enjoying it I seem to be enjoying it more than they do. Seems to be a balance here, just like with everything I guess.

They wouldn't tease me about it, the 3 I'm tripping with tomorrow are very close friends, 2 of them I've known since childhood. The problem is I would very much like to confront my anxiety but I can't get into the mindset during the come up where I say "bring it on" and can end up fighting it straight off, it feels like one tiny bit of anxiety feeds off itself and eventually I start getting anxious that I'm feeling anxious and it snowballs from there. The first trip I had I tripped quite hard but I couldn't figure out whether I felt good or bad most of the time, kind of like I was feeling multiple things at once, but it was interesting. The 2nd and 3rd time were both great experiences, both in a similar setting to tomorrow and I feel that is what I'm trying to chase.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21876367 - 06/30/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Another thing is when I panic sometimes I have no idea what I'm anxious about, I try to find the source of the anxiety but all I notice are all the physical symptoms which are the worst parts.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21876572 - 06/30/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tbh I'd give it a miss for another year.  Try get your mind and body prepared for when you do trip again.

My friend suffers from anxiety and she found giving up caffeine and cutting down on carbs/sugar/alcohol has made her feel loads better.

Physical exercise is great too.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: sarahnya]
    #21876580 - 06/30/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yeah I find ginger tablets totally negate nausea and I can just eat the mushrooms straight with no problems. This makes coming up a whole lot easier.

Otherwise it's blargh, they make me feel awful for over an hour.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: sarahnya]
    #21876585 - 06/30/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Imo lemon tek works fucking amazing for nausea


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21876624 - 06/30/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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you think the anxiety is just part of the trip and accepting it is the way to go?




I think some of the anxiety depends on personality - if you're an anxious person in general you will bring that to the trip, other people are not bothered by it so much (unless they get freaked out by a high dose).

A lot of people report a low-level feeling of "come-up anxiety", where the start of the trip feels a little weird and uncomfortable, then when the trip takes hold the negative feelings go away.

The problem for the anxious person is that if you start to focus on these negative thoughts and feelings and worry about them, you become more anxious, - it's possible to get into a feedback loop that slowly builds into a panic attack, driven partly by your own anxiety and partly by the intensity of the trip.

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Another thing is when I panic sometimes I have no idea what I'm anxious about




When I'm tripping it can be a bit of an emotional rollercoaster. I try to think of the changes in emotion as though they are like a kind of weather system within the trip - if I notice that I'm anxious I just leave it at that, I think to myself that it's part of the trip and will go away by itself.

Sometimes the onset of my trips can feel kind of "wrong" and I sit there feeling anxious and sorry for myself. If my thoughts are negative I let them play out and then at some point think, "Well, OK, that's how it is, fuck it". It can be a little bit like I'm punishing myself with my own thoughts - when I start to realize this I think "Oh, it's just part of the trip" and the mood lightens again. It can also help if you find something to laugh about. If you are tripping with friends try to engage with them and have fun; they can help stop you drifting off into worry and introspection.

Overall I'd suggest trying not to react to your anxiety too much - just let it sit in the background, don't focus on it.

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The problem is I would very much like to confront my anxiety but I can't get into the mindset during the come up where I say "bring it on"




This kind of confrontation can occur at high doses, when you are forced by the intensity of the trip to face your anxiety head on. The whole trip can feel very hostile, you end up in a "nowhere to hide" scenario and you are forced one way or another into surrending to the trip. There can be a very sudden turnaround from panic to bliss; within the trip it's the act of resisting that is causing the anxiety, not the thing that you are resisting.

I wouldn't recommend doing high doses purely to confront your anxiety; the memories of the grinding intensity can return in later trips and cause more anxiety..... although it does show you that there are limits to anxiety and panic, and that they are basically just circuits within your brain that are feeding off themselves. If you regularly trip at high doses I think you get a bit desensitized to these feelings and come to regard them as normal - you still get the anxiety but you don't react to it so much, and it doesn't snowball into panic so easily.

Back to the first question - I'd say yes, just accept your anxiety. It's part of you, it's part of the trip, it's OK - but don't feed it by focusing on it. It's hard to get rid of anxious feelings when you are focusing on them, but they can be displaced by other emotions as the trip moves on.


Edited by Aldebaran (06/30/15 05:38 AM)


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21876839 - 06/30/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Perfect advice Aldebaran and I think just what I needed, I actually don't feel anxious at all about it atm which is strange, but that could change. Negative emotions are just a part of the drug and I have to accept that as it's a drug I respect, there are no perfect drugs after all.

I actually had a ginger supplement two trips ago and still threw up eventually but I did notice it took longer and I absorbed most of the Shrooms in my stomach so I didn't lose any, it also did help the nausea for a while. Is there anything that will stop me throwing up completely?


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21876845 - 06/30/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I believe LSD is a perfect drug :raisemyglass:


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21877645 - 06/30/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I always get a bit anxious before i trip, but once i let go and stop trying to control things i have a much better experience.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: donkeycong]
    #21877937 - 06/30/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really like lemon tek. Bit too fast for my taste. I use kratom for a lot of trips an hour or so before dosing. Gives me that extra confidence and euphoria fkr a good trip. I like to make my own capsules too because downing that or even kava while tripping is quite nauseating.


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Rhubarb]
    #21878164 - 06/30/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is there anything that will stop me throwing up completely?




It might be worth making mushroom tea. There are various threads and discussions and people say it can reduce nausea a lot. The idea is that all the actives go into the tea, and you don't need to eat the actual mushroom material which causes a lot of the nausea.

I've not tried it myself, but for an example see this thread for Primal Soup's tea tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12494141#12494141

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But to make it easy - chop 'em, mash em, boil em while stirring about a minute, steep 5-10 minutes, strain and enjoy.




Doesn't sound too complicated....


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Re: Anxious trippers [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21878374 - 06/30/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is my tea method:

Crush shrooms
put 1.5 ish cup of water in microwave for 3 minutes-3.5 minutes until water is boiling.
Toss tea bag or container (I use a little rubber dude that is covered in tiny holes, works perfectly) and keep submerged and steep with fork

Let steep until cool enough to drink. I might add a tiny splash of lemon juice or oj for taste. But plain is actually not bad at all


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