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Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s
    #21870378 - 06/28/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey shroomerites, I am going to make the step to monotubs, and in doing that I am using Franks 12 step.  I have a couple of questions:

-It is ok to lad jars on their sides when PC'ing?  I have a 24qt pressure cooker and want to fit as many jars as I can, that's going to be like 6 on the bottom with another rack on top of those with 3 jars on their sides.

-Which type of lid is best to use in a SAB, a SHIP(with polyfill) or just a lid with polyfill stuffed in a hole, the type mentioned in franks 12 step:"Step Two: Make your lids
Using a 3/4" or 1" drill bit or hole saw, carefully drill a hole in the lid of each quart jar.

Stuff the lid with polyfill VERY TIGHTLY. You should stuff it as tight as possible, no exceptions.

To test for good polyfill density, stick your needle through it. You should feel some resistance as you press it through. More resistance is better in all cases:"

-What have you found is the best amount of time to PC your grains(rye berries?)

-I have seen teks showing non-boil methods of preparing grains, if these are acceptable, are they better or worse than the normal method of preparing grains(how does it affect contams/losses or improve yields)


that's all I have for now, thanks.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21872533 - 06/29/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

anyone have any input? Im going to be starting the grow in about a week, and id like to have as much info as possible before starting.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21872682 - 06/29/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can tackle a couple of these:

SHIPs are nice if you want to do open air inoculations, but if you're working in a SAB, you can just pop off the lid and give it a squirt.  You'll only need the one hole for gas exchange.

90 mins is standard for grains.  I've upped to 2 full hours recently, because I'm trying not to take any chances with my spawn.

I haven't worked with rye, but the only time I fucked up wbs was when I tried to boil it.

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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21872732 - 06/29/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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firstTIMER420 said:
-Which type of lid is best to use in a SAB, a SHIP(with polyfill) or just a lid with polyfill stuffed in a hole, the type mentioned in franks 12 step:"Step Two: Make your lids
Using a 3/4" or 1" drill bit or hole saw, carefully drill a hole in the lid of each quart jar.

Stuff the lid with polyfill VERY TIGHTLY. You should stuff it as tight as possible, no exceptions.

To test for good polyfill density, stick your needle through it. You should feel some resistance as you press it through. More resistance is better in all cases:"



I personally would not waste time with poly fill lids. I have been using synthetic filter disk lids for a couple years now.  I ordered a half dozen 90mm SFD's then cut out 4 small circles from each one.  I then glue the circles down over my gas exchange holes using RTV Silicone. 



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-What have you found is the best amount of time to PC your grains(rye berries?)



90mins once the pressure has reached 14-15psi

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-I have seen teks showing non-boil methods of preparing grains, if these are acceptable, are they better or worse than the normal method of preparing grains(how does it affect contams/losses or improve yields)




The reason I boil my rye berries after a 12-20hr soak is because the grains can easily be steam dried after a 5-10min boil. 
Once I dump the rye berries into the colander I vigorously shake them until the steam no longer comes off the grains.  I then toss them around with a spoon for another 15-20 mins until they are cooled.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Muncher]
    #21872755 - 06/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SHIPs are nice if you want to do open air inoculations, but if you're working in a SAB, you can just pop off the lid and give it a squirt.  You'll only need the one hole for gas exchange.





Exactly.  In a SAB you want to make minimal, smooth movements. This is why one lid, preferably the plastic ones are great when working in a SAB. 


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21873216 - 06/29/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure about PCing jars on their side. Probably ok on the top layer, but not on the bottom, of course.
Jar lid holes should be much smaller. Many use as small as 1/8". I use 1/4", but allow some RTV silicone to close the gap, when I attach my filter discs... Otherwise your grain will dry too much, during colonization, as it should start out dryer than many first expect it would need to be.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Green Bastard]
    #21873453 - 06/29/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yes you can PC jars on their sides,
SHIPs arent all that IMO, they're also not a replacement for poly. think poly vs SFD and SHIP vs no SHIP.
dont do 1" holes in your lids, do 1/4". dont know why franks 12 steps says 1" :shrug:
Polyfill works well as a filter.
and dont do anything open air even if you choose a SHIP. build a SAB :super:
when prepping grains there's different teks for different grains.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21876999 - 06/30/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the input guys, I have an SAB hence my question.

I cannot seem to find a good source for filter disks, and since my jars are wide mouth quart jars should I buy wide mouth disks(which I think are 90mm, could be wrong)

That is the RTV I bought, since I thought I was going to be making SHIP's

basically, when using the SFD, you just cut a 1/4" hole in the middle of the lid, and glue the SFD piece UNDER or ONTOP of the lid?  and to innoc you just unscrew inside the SAB and put a few drops in there.


What do you find is the best amount of INNOC to use, when using a MS solution?(like, 1/4  of mL, or 1/2mL or whatever)



also, rye berries are only available online to me, and im thiking about getting rye grass since multiple stores near me have it, its also slightly cheaper, will that be an acceptable replacement and will the preparation be much different?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21877143 - 06/30/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea cut a GE hole in the center of the lid, 1/4" should be fine, but I've heard people use 3/8" holes with success as well.

The placement of the SFD doesn't make much of a difference IMO, but most jars I've seen people post have them on top.

Use between 1-2cc max, anymore and you will only be adding excess moisture to the grains. And after you inject the MS solution, do not shake the jar, it'll only increase colonization times.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21877657 - 06/30/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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...and to innoc you just unscrew inside the SAB and put a few drops in there.




Drill another hole, separate from your GE hole, 1/4" wide in your lid.  This will be your inoculation hole. Cover BOTH sides of this hole with RTV silicone, so RTV is filling in all areas, leaving no air gaps. 
Your hot syringe needle will slide through the RTV during the inoculation process. 


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rye berries are only available online to me, and im thiking about getting rye grass since multiple stores near me have it, its also slightly cheaper, will that be an acceptable replacement and will the preparation be much different?



From what i have read on here, most people use berries over rye grass seed. 

If you have Amazon Prime, this vendor isn't too bad of a deal:
Search: Great River Organic Milling, Organic Whole Grains Rye, 25-Pound Package

There is also this company, Azure Standard:
https://www.azurestandard.com/ Search for rye berries.
They sell rye berries for under $1 a lb, but they wont ship directly to you, they have these drop points. 
If you live close to one of their drop-points, i would give it a try.  I don't, so i have never used them.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21878001 - 06/30/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That is the RTV I bought, since I thought I was going to be making SHIP's

basically, when using the SFD, you just cut a 1/4" hole in the middle of the lid, and glue the SFD piece UNDER or ONTOP of the lid?  and to innoc you just unscrew inside the SAB and put a few drops in there.


What do you find is the best amount of INNOC to use, when using a MS solution?(like, 1/4  of mL, or 1/2mL or whatever)



also, rye berries are only available online to me, and im thiking about getting rye grass since multiple stores near me have it, its also slightly cheaper, will that be an acceptable replacement and will the preparation be much different?




just skip SHIPs all toghether. crack the lid of your jar open in the sab and inoc right into it.
a couple drops is all you need and want.
put the SFD on top of the lid so it stays dry. most sponsors have SFDs for about 1$ pr disc.
rye grass seed is a good grain, just use whatever is cheapest for you, wbs, oats, wheat, rgs, millet etc..


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21882203 - 07/01/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I ordered 12 SFD 90mm size for the wide mouth jars. From what im gathering from everyone, I just cut out a circular piece and put it over the GE hole.  Should work fine.  and I used 5/62(maybe 5/68") holes for my PF tek jars the needle barely fit thru the holes but they worked fine, I figured the smaller the better to keep out contams.  to me, 1/4 seems a little bit, but then again, these are 1L jars so they will need more GE than that, so I guess ill go with 1/4" holes.

like the other guy said, would you guys go with making 2 holes(1 for RTV innoc and the other for GE?) its basically a SHIP, actually, it IS a SHIP.


and im just curious, why wouldn't Micropore tape work like it did for the PF tek jars?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21882479 - 07/01/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Use a quarter to draw your circles on your sfd. Pack as many as you can into the space. I think I got 18 from a 120mm SFD. Use rtv silicone to adhere to the top if the lid.

Crack the lid and inoculate while in your SAB. I highly recommend you go spore to agar to grain for best results.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Chilldog]
    #21885239 - 07/01/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

fuck I want to start agar but I priced it out to get all the materials and since I have to order them online it wasn't really cheap, that's the only downfall, but I think I might have to just do it, I really don't want all the expensive rye berries to get contam'd also wasting the syringe I have too.


Does grain contam easily from spore syringes?

also, what do you use to cut your agar pieces from the petri?

and I was wondering what people use to scrape their spores from the prints so they can make their syringes


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21885378 - 07/01/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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fuck I want to start agar but I priced it out to get all the materials and since I have to order them online it wasn't really cheap, that's the only downfall, but I think I might have to just do it, I really don't want all the expensive rye berries to get contam'd also wasting the syringe I have too.


Does grain contam easily from spore syringes?

also, what do you use to cut your agar pieces from the petri?

and I was wondering what people use to scrape their spores from the prints so they can make their syringes



I was gonna start agar soon too, but I couldn't because of the same reason lol. Literally flat broke right now :frown:

But i found an agar substitute tek that uses a thin layer of brf/water. Didn't have to spend a penny. The spores I used are already colonizing the surface and it looks healthy. :awesome:

Spore syringes are never 100% sterile, so there is always a small chance of contamination showing up.

Use a scalpel to cut pieces from the agar and to scrape spores from the print.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21886854 - 07/02/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

cool, thanks for the info.  WHat size scalpel blade did you use?

im going to look more into agar substitutes, could you maybe link the tek? but let me know how that works out the farther down you get.

while using the SFD lids, do you think I could cut another small hole on the opposite side of the lid and stuff it with polyfill or may be put some micropore tape over it and use that for innoc?  Im thinking it could work as it does in PF jars but maybe it works in the PF jars because of the dry verm layer.  thoughts?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21886872 - 07/02/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

take off the lid in your SAB for inoculation. if you push a needle through mp tape you have an open hole in your grain jar!

SHIPs are a waste too IMO, best just to open the lid so you'll learn for when you start doing agar!


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21887041 - 07/02/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok, good to know, im going to read your #1 in your sig and see how it compares to some other but from a quick glace it looks pretty good.  The only part im worried about is prepping the berries.  any suggestions for this?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21887159 - 07/02/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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cool, thanks for the info.  WHat size scalpel blade did you use?

im going to look more into agar substitutes, could you maybe link the tek? but let me know how that works out the farther down you get.

while using the SFD lids, do you think I could cut another small hole on the opposite side of the lid and stuff it with polyfill or may be put some micropore tape over it and use that for innoc?  Im thinking it could work as it does in PF jars but maybe it works in the PF jars because of the dry verm layer.  thoughts?



The size of the blade doesn't matter IMO, just make sure it's really sharp. I saw a pack of 10 pre-sterilized scalpels on amazon for like 12$.

Here's the tek: http://www.shroomery.org/8514/Agar-substitute

Spacechildo is right, it's best to work on your sterile techniques in a SAB if you plan to use agar in the future.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21887290 - 07/02/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ok, good to know, im going to read your #1 in your sig and see how it compares to some other but from a quick glace it looks pretty good.  The only part im worried about is prepping the berries.  any suggestions for this?




depends on what grain you choose.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21887297 - 07/02/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

gotcha guys.  Yea about the micropore tape, and having the open hole in the jar, that's why i was asking about the dry verm layer which i was assuming was there because of the open holes to catch and contams coming in the jar.

my grains came in today about 8 days earlier than i was told so im fucking stoked. i have everything except my SFD, so im thinking about just using the tyvek suit i have to do the lids.

But i REALLY want to do the RTV SHIP on my SFD lid for the sake of making it easier to innoc, but at the same time i do see what you are saying about learning the procedures.



And i said, i have rye berries.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21887836 - 07/02/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Polyfill is garbage for a filter. People bitch about the pore sizes of tyvek and say it's garbage. But no one ever seems to mention that you won't ever even come close to getting stuffed polyfill down to the pore sizes found with tyvek... The best thing you can use is SFDs. Wait until you get some SFDs for best results. Use 1/4" GE holes. I wouldn't use a quarter to trace SFDs. I've used a penny or a nickel. If you really wanted to you could get away with using a dime to get the most out of your SFD discs.

Rye berries are expensive. Unless you're growing stones, I'd just get whatever is cheapest locally. You've gotta have a feed store or tractor supply company near your area. $15 for 50 lbs of whole oats is hard to beat from TSC.

You can PC qt grain jars on their sides as long as they are on the top level out of the water above the standing jars. I think you should be able to fit 10 total in a 22qt PC, 7 standing, 3 laying on top. That's how many I can fit in my AA921. I PC grains for 90 mins at 20psi, I used to do 90 mins at 15psi with no issues.

If you are going to make RTV SHIPs the best kind to use is the clear kind. You don't need the red high temp stuff, all RTV will hold up past the temperatures we need them for. The clear stuff makes finding the hole through the silicone easy.

I use an inoculation loop to transfer spores to agar. I've read on hear that a blade can damage spores, but I dunno if that really matters much since there will be so many undamaged spore that get scrapped along with them. However, your best bet is to skip making a spore syringe and put the spores to agar first, transfer clean growth to another plate. Then make inoculant from the clean plate, or knock up a jar with a wedge from the clean plate and G2G it out to the other jars once it has colonized cleanly.

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The reason I boil my rye berries after a 12-20hr soak is because the grains can easily be steam dried after a 5-10min boil. 
Once I dump the rye berries into the colander I vigorously shake them until the steam no longer comes off the grains.  I then toss them around with a spoon for another 15-20 mins until they are cooled.



Do this. I basically do the same thing. Except I use bucket screens so I can easily collect the grain water for GWLC.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21888007 - 07/02/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


This is how I prefer grain lids. One hole covered by sfd.

Open lid to inoc. SHIPs are a pain.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Chilldog]
    #21888185 - 07/02/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your lids are upside down. Yes they are easier to take the tops off when they are upside down. Because the seal around the rim of the jar is imperfect when it's metal to glass. This allows for a possible area for unfiltered GE to take place.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Juiceh]
    #21888377 - 07/02/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe so. If I start to have issues I will consider flipping them. I believe it to be better than plastic lids at least. Them bitches have very little "seal"


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Chilldog]
    #21888421 - 07/02/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True. I haven't used plastic lids much for grains. Only once with shiitake, I used the rubber rings and had syringe filters for GE. Bad choice, the syringe filters suck for GE for spawn, but after eventual colonization everything was fine.  I have only been using the plastic lids for LC, with the rubber ring. I have seen people use the plastic lids for grains and then wrap the edge of the lid with parafilm. Seems kinda wasteful of parafilm tho. You can also RTV the rubber ring to the lids, pretty sure I saw that on here once.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Juiceh]
    #21892101 - 07/03/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok guys, I have decided on making a SFD lid, but also adding a SHIP on it, so basically 2 holes one for GE and one for INNOC, for some reason, I don't like the idea of unscrewing the lid to innoc and feel this is going to lead to contams.

Im confused, and trying to understand this, so can someone please explain how the RTV actually re-seals itself after being punctured?

As far as preparing the grains, I rinse them, then soak for 12-20 hrs, but how long do I boil them for? and is it a boil like you do when sterilizing jars for the PF tek or a simmer?  then after the boil I stir around in a colander for a couple minutes until the steam stops then stir around a little while more, How long do I let it sit before I can put in jars and PC it?  and when PCing it, Ive been reading and most people suggest letting the jars sit overnight before taking them out to innoc. 

Im new to using a PC, and my question this time is: i wait for it to depressurize before taking the lid off and taking the jars out and placing them in the SAB to cool further overnight.  What is the safe pressure reading on the gauge to take them out(like what PSI is equal to atmospheric pressure)


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21892135 - 07/03/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ok guys, I have decided on making a SFD lid, but also adding a SHIP on it, so basically 2 holes one for GE and one for INNOC, for some reason, I don't like the idea of unscrewing the lid to innoc and feel this is going to lead to contams.




how do you think we get agar wedges into grain jars? you think agar work is a contam vector?
how is pushing your newly flamed clean needle through dirty alcohol not gonna be a contam vector?

you're being counter productive man.

for the other q's check out www.mushroomvideos.com it has a rye prep video. I think its in my sig too. turned them off ..

0 psi is safe to open the pc. no reason not to let the pc cool down before taking stuff out either,
unless you need to use the pc again quickly..


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21892154 - 07/03/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

idk what your trying to say about pushing it through alcohol, but im gonna assume that you are talking about wiping off the needle after flaming it with alcohol, which i never do.

Downloaded the videos i was just checking for some other feedback on methods.

also, before inoculating the PC'd jars, should you wipe them down with alcohol?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21892182 - 07/03/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm talking about your SHIP! the injection port. it cant be flamed red hot so you wanna wash it off with iso.

I wipe between the lid and rim before opening them.

you may need to find your own sweet spot regarding the grain prep.
how dry they need to be before PC'ing depends on how much water you have gotten inside them.
a little extra moisture on the outside can be cooked into the grains during the PC run if the grains arent hydrated to 100% capacity.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21895988 - 07/04/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lid and the rim? like the rim on the side of the jar the lip that comes out? sorry i want to be thourough.

also, my SFD's came in, and i am going to make my lids today.  on your SFD lid tek in your sig, the dude makes a SFD lid with a SHIP.  I am torn, i want to make the ship but at the same time i don't want to make it.  you are saying not to use a SHIP, but going by your logic of contamination, wouldn't unscrewing the lid and opening it introduce more contams than wiping the SHIP with alcohol and then piercing it?


i want to start making the lids around 12 or 1 today, but still want to have more info before i attempt it, as i really really don't want to waste and SFD they aren't cheap(i had to pay 20$ for 12 wide mouth filters...i hate shipping charges.)

So, im excited but definitely do not want to mess up.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21896682 - 07/04/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I am torn, i want to make the ship but at the same time i don't want to make it.  you are saying not to use a SHIP, but going by your logic of contamination, wouldn't unscrewing the lid and opening it introduce more contams than wiping the SHIP with alcohol and then piercing it?




no because you do it in a SAB. the air is still. we all do it when we put agar wedges into grain jars.
your needle can/may/will get dirty from pushing it through a SHIP.
we open agar plates in SABs, do transfers, open lc jars, open grain jars for g2g.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21896794 - 07/04/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i am going to go with the regular SFD lids.  Also going to make a couple SFD jars with some grain so i can spawn some trays and use my SGFC too, doesn't make sense to let them go to waste!


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21896838 - 07/04/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what other than grains were you gonna use the jars for?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21896975 - 07/04/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thats it for now, obviously they can be used for more things in the future but im not sure yet.  why?

im about to get started, any more advice before I get this going?

just want to double check. 1/4" hole on the SFD jars and a 3/8" hole for the SHIP hole

and im just going to try my first mono grow with the spore syringes I have until I purchase my agar materials, which should be within the next couple of weeks.

space, im going to follow the SFD tek in your sig, but without the SHIP part.  Basically its just cutting a 1/4" hole in the lid and gluing a piece of SFD over it.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21897047 - 07/04/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dont use SHIps but 3/8 sounds like a lot. On my jars that still has ships i think the holes are 1/4" tops. you only need room for the needle.
but if TLs lid tek says 3/8 just do it.

scratch the metal on your lid before applying silicone. makes it stick better.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897071 - 07/04/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

gotcha.

also, the same thing applies I need to put foil over the jar lids before pcing. just making sure.

ill post back with the results of my lids.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21897083 - 07/04/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

sfd/cfd are different but I'd just do foil either way :shrug:


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897155 - 07/04/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

like you said, i think 3/8 hole is pretty big, i would like to think 1/4 would be big enough for GE


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21897163 - 07/04/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

weren't we talking about SHIPs? :stoned:

I'd just blaze one to relax and do everything 1/4".


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897211 - 07/04/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yes, I was, but I wanna do the regular lids first, and want to make sure I don't fuck up the GE so I don't waste grains and a Syringe.

ad I read it wrong TL's tek called fror 1/4" injections and 3/8 GE

and citrics tek, although he uses tyvek, he puts the filter on the bottom side, idk why though. everyone has told me to put it on the top side, including RR


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897254 - 07/04/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh sorry I got confused then. I've turned sigs off and didnt open the lid tek.

but yeah, then do 3/8 GE. Trust in TL! :yesnod:


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897274 - 07/04/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

roger roger.  Sorry for the confusion lol. making lids now using 3/8" bit. and im going to use a quarter to make the SFD pieces I think ill need a little extra room for the RTV glue.  and its going ON TOP of the lid.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21898466 - 07/04/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like you were pointed in the right direction.

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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Chilldog]
    #21898696 - 07/04/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

who's puppet are you again chilldog? :lol:


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21898968 - 07/04/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I need to put foil over the jar lids before pcing. just making sure.



If you have foil over your SHIP then there is no need to wipe it with alcohol, you just remove the foil just before injecting.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: blackout]
    #21902689 - 07/05/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the info.  can you still use the lid if a little RTV glue leaked where the actual GE hole is? I tried to wipe it away as much as possible but there is still a little over the hole. what you think?


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: spacechildo]
    #21904504 - 07/06/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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who's puppet are you again chilldog? :lol:



Ain't no puppet homie, just been keeping it low and now excited to learn more.

I'm still very new. I've just been reading stamets and all the awesome peoples threads on here.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Chilldog]
    #21904546 - 07/06/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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who's puppet are you again chilldog? :lol:



Ain't no puppet homie, just been keeping it low and now excited to learn more.

I'm still very new. I've just been reading stamets and all the awesome peoples threads on here.



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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21904854 - 07/06/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

here are pics of the lids:

as you can see, I wanted to make sure they were completely sealed.  I have a couple of questions though.

I took a pic of the underside of one of the jars, because as I said previously on two of them some of the RTV leaked to where the GE hole is, I was wondering if those were still usuable because of the reduced GE.

Also,  anyone know of a way to use this fucked up lid? the bit caught it when I was drilling and just fucking mangled the thing, no Bueno. 

The 3/8" drill bit I had sucked, and kept catching the metal and mangling it like the one in the pic.  So what I did for the rest of them is drill a 1/4" hole, and then use a pair of needlenose pliers to make it wider till the 3/8" bit could barely fit through it, worked like a charm and the holes are almost perfect.  let  me know what you guys think.

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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21904909 - 07/06/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good job man!! I'll be making my lids soon too, just gotta wait for my SFD's to come in the mail. I've used lids where the silicone partially covered the hole. It might extend the colonization times a bit, but I'd still use it. And I've used a lot of fucked up jar lids as well. :lol: I was too lazy to fix the burs in the lid, but it should still work just as well.


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Re: Grain lids:Polyfill vs SHIP/Monotub ?'s [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21913717 - 07/08/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got another question for yall, can I use SFD lids for PF cakes? I wouldn't see why not right?


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