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what events prompted jesus to come down to earth?
#21870320 - 06/28/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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were there any specific events political or cultural promted jesus to come to earth in that specific time?
why did he choose that time to come here ?
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21870341 - 06/28/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Daniel actually predicted the day of His birth/when the Jews would no longer be God's chosen people so you could go off that I suppose.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: Shiithead]
#21870562 - 06/28/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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? so he just figured. ah why not ill come down now aint got shit to do...
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21870589 - 06/28/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuzzysig said: ? so he just figured. ah why not ill come down now aint got shit to do...
It doesn't. What it does say though is no one, not even Christ Himself knows when the end will occur. Only the Father.
So you have to figure we can only know what knowledge we are given. Anything outside of that is wishful thinking. This reality only applies though if you subscribe to John 3:16-21.
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Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: Shiithead]
#21870657 - 06/28/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so why did he choose that specific time? I see no answer tho. anyone knows?
google doesn't know either.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: Shiithead]
#21871713 - 06/29/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Daniel actually predicted the day of His birth/when the Jews would no longer be God's chosen people so you could go off that I suppose.
Completely inaccurate. Christians are grafted into the Jewish lineage.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21871739 - 06/29/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuzzysig said: were there any specific events political or cultural promted jesus to come to earth in that specific time?
why did he choose that time to come here ?
Jesus, or actually, Iesous or Isa or Y'shua in English transliterations of Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, respectively, was a human being who didn't "come to earth." Although orthodox theology takes a Greek mythological tack with the man, imputing standard mythic aspects like virgin birth, and the status of a demigod, it behooves you to understand how, why, when, and for whom the New Testament was written. It was written as a literary device which drew upon the numerous Hebrew prophesies for vey political purposes, not as a journalistically accurate report. But if you are Really interested in an answer, you'll read these two books. I've met J.S. Spong on 3 occasions. His book can reconcile the discrepancies between reason and faith, and Murdock's book will document exactly where the biblical material was appropriated from Egyptian sources. One requires a strong faith to read these but even after false beliefs are destroyed, a 'Phoenix of Faith' will rise in their place.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21872956 - 06/29/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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well we have information diarrhea in the world. can you maybe give a short answer since you red the books.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21873859 - 06/29/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Didn't read the title sorry.
The following is the event of events that prompted Jesus' coming.
Genesis 3:11-15
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Verse 15 is very important.
God is saying He will divide the woman's seed from the serpents. As you know women need the seed to fertilize her egg. God is saying her seed will not be of the world. The seed is Christ and He will walk on serpents.
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Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21874688 - 06/29/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuzzysig said: well we have information diarrhea in the world. can you maybe give a short answer since you red the books.
I DID give the short answer. There is no substitute for reading a book or two that are capable of radically shifting one's understanding about something as relevant to Western civilization as the New Testament. I offer the Amazon.com commentaries, but neither do the books justice.
The stories of the NT were almost verbatim taken from the Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid texts, and Murdock even shows us, for example, how the names were used. Lazarus who was resurrected for example: Azar is the Egyptian name for Osiris, god of resurrection in Greek. Every dead person became known as an Osiris, or Azar or The Azar - L'azar, i.e., Lazar-us. Lazarus is depicted as being wrapped in funeral cloths, almost like a mummy. Jesus reaches Lazarus' tomb where he's been dead 4 days. During the 4th day shouts "Lazarus come forth!" - John 11:43. Lazarus is the image of the earlier Egyptian Azar, Osiris and as far as resurrection goes, the accurate name for the Egyptian Book of the Dead is The Book of Coming Forth by Day. "Lazarus come forth!"
In Spong, a poignant example is that he shows how the author Matthew used the Septuigint to quote the Hebrew scriptures - that is, the Greek Tenach (OT). When it was written that a virgin was to bear a son (Isaiah 7:14), the Original Hebrew says "young woman" "almah." The Hebrew word for virgin is betholah. But in Greek, there was only ONE word for both young woman AND virgin - parthenos (as in The Parthenon - the temple of the Virgin Goddess [Athena]). The entire mythos of a virgin bearing a child was NEVER the prophesy of the Hebrew scriptures. This mistranslation became the whole basis for Catholic monasticism, nuns, the value of virginity over sexual and reproductive life, and a lot of twisted history. Moreover, a being born of a god and a mortal woman is called a demigod in Greek mythology (like Heracles and Dionysus). Greek mythic ideas were used in the the creation of the Christ child. Incidentally, kings in the Tenach (OT) were referred to as 'sons of God,' and Jesus was attributed kingly status, but of a spiritual kingdom. It was not a literal title in Judaism, and Judaism Never had a mythology that admitted of incarnations of God, which is why Jews have always rejected the Christian mythological aspect of theology. It's Greek mythology!
http://www.amazon.com/Liberating-Gospels-Reading-Bible-Jewish-ebook/dp/B000FC27ZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435620862&sr=8-1&keywords=liberating+the+gospels%2C+spong
http://www.amazon.com/Christ-Egypt-Horus-Jesus-Connection-Murdock/dp/0979963117/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435621012&sr=8-1&keywords=christ+in+egypt
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21875379 - 06/29/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok so jesus wasn't there

any history buffs can shine a lights on why that time was chosen to start the year counting? and fabricate jesus?
im not after how the story came around im trying to figure out what was so significant in that time that prompted jesus to appear. fictional or not. was there a chain of events that led to creation of jesus if he was fabricated?
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21876215 - 06/30/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuzzysig said: ok so jesus wasn't there
any history buffs can shine a lights on why that time was chosen to start the year counting? and fabricate jesus?
im not after how the story came around im trying to figure out what was so significant in that time that prompted jesus to appear. fictional or not. was there a chain of events that led to creation of jesus if he was fabricated?
I am not saying yea or nay to whether Iesous did or did not exist. It is likely that a radical, non-political Jewish mystic DID exist. But the New Testament accounts are highly mythologized and borrow heavily from Egyptian, Greek and Hebrew sources. Many, many Christian documents existed. I have collected them from the Apocrypha and the Nag Hammadi library. The Bible as we have it in its many translations were based on 66 (or 73 depending on the denomination) books selected from countless documents, the rest of which were burned by those who were putting together the 'canonical Bible.'
Those documents that supported any kind of theology that allowed for salvation through esoteric teachings or self-realization, without the necessity of a church structure, a priestcraft, and a consecrated eucharist that could only be administered by ordained priests, were excluded and destroyed. And only those who remained in good standing (no free-thinkers who blasphemed by questioning established dogmas) could receive the eucharist, without which one was said to be anathema (cursed and excommunicated), the result being that one was supposed to be damned to Hell.
The Christian holidays, like Christmas, was in part placed over the Pagan holidays that celebrated the return of the Sun on the Winter Solstice, December 25th. This is part of what is called Astro-Theology. But that's jumping ahead to a strategy to literally bury the past, building churches on top of Pagan holy sites, placing Christian holidays over Pagan ones on the Julian calendar. Emperor Constantine got the ball rolling by making Roman Catholicism the official religion of the Roman Empire. Christianity began, and remained, a sect of Judaism for 150 years until the followers of The Way (as Christians were originally called), left the synagogues, and stopped (for the most part) on insisting that new Christians first become Jews before becoming Christians.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21876371 - 06/30/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuzzysig said: were there any specific events political or cultural promted jesus to come to earth in that specific time?
why did he choose that time to come here ?
God comes to see the progress of mankind every seven years, but on the seventh of seven years, which it is 49 years (Jubilee), at the end, He comes and make a decision, whether to still work with mankind or send them away to the realm of nightmares where the hopeless goes. But He makes His final decision on the seventh jubilee and which it is mentioned all through the Bible. But at each visit, He has been finding someone that has done pleasant things at His visit like Abel and etc..., that preventing Him not to give up on mankind. But now He is not going to judge by a few souls that doesn't does what is right, but to separate them from one another, by putting the ones that does right in one place, and the others in another place. Nightmares are just a glimpse of this realm of death, and those that has caused people to live a nightmarish life, will be put there with the very things that they has created in this life, and that is what it means by what you reapeth, you will soweth, eating the fruit of your labors.
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Re: what events prompted jesus to come down to earth? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21881085 - 07/01/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuzzysig said: were there any specific events political or cultural promted jesus to come to earth in that specific time?
why did he choose that time to come here ?
The descent of Christ into the world occurred at the middle-point of the earth's evolution, specifically at the middle-point of the Greco-Latin cultural epoch, which itself is the centre-most epoch of the Fourth post-Atlantean age (or "root race" among theosophists, though this term is entirely universal). The Fourth post-Atlantean age, by extension, belongs to the middle-terrestrial phase of the present Mahamanvantara (or 'cosmic day') which is similarly made up of seven planetary conditions (corresponding with seven ages/root races and seven cultural epochs). The eschatological purpose of Christ's descent was to unite Himself with the earth at such a time that humanity could pace its own descent into materialism, with the ideal of establishing a balance between regenerative and degenerative spiritual evolution. Had the incarnation-event took place earlier or later than it did, humanity's own freedom would have been compromised one way or another, returning either to the atavistic clairvoyance of earlier post-Atlantean epochs or descending too far into matter.
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