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'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning?
    #21870237 - 06/28/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I usually spawn to bulk in little 6 quart tubs, and then fruit them in a SGFC.

Side pinning is always an issue. The substrate has already shrunk away from the walls of the tub by the time the first flush starts, so it starts right off the bat.

I was just lamenting the situation as I misted and fanned when it occurred to me that the 6 quart tub holding the substrate is now pointless, and could be removed. Could I not just flip my mycelial patty out onto a piece of foil similar to how you'd fruit a pf-tek cake?

Seems like it might be better because more surface area can pin that way. And it'd be easier to dunk between flushes. Or am I better off using liners from now on? (wow, have I really never tried that?)

(I have a feeling that this is not a new idea and that I just failed in my keyword selection when searching for it.)


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21870256 - 06/28/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Matt87]
    #21870279 - 06/28/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In short yes you can. Mudafuka used to flip the subs up in his monos after first flush and get pins from all sides.  I have pulled subs outta the mono and fruited them in a SGFC to free the tub up. But I don't really mind side pins. They are easy enough to harvest.  I prefer liners because i dislike condensation running down onto the sub. With a liner it runs behind.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21870749 - 06/28/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Smooth, flat and level substrate. Try it


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: azur]
    #21870775 - 06/28/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Smooth, flat and level substrate. Try it



this most recent bin of mine was quite flat.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21870834 - 06/28/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Was it also smooth and level?


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: azur]
    #21870875 - 06/28/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Was it also smooth and level?



flat, smooth, level, even, whatever you want to call it :shrug:

whats that got to do with side pins though?


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21870961 - 06/28/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't see why not.  If hey have a thin side, you could also put them sideways to increase space efficiency if they will stand up.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21870981 - 06/28/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Was it also smooth and level?



flat, smooth, level, even, whatever you want to call it :shrug:

whats that got to do with side pins though?



Smooth, flat and level are three different things. Achieve all three and side pinning is not an issue.

A hill can be smooth
A flat book can be not level
A level slab of concrete can be unsmooth


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: azur]
    #21871067 - 06/28/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'd just think there are, in simple terms, only two states a substrate can be in. Roughly mixed, or roughly mixed and then leveled out. Hence my ignoring semantics

(I don't see how you'd achieve a smooth surface on a substrate anyways?)

And still don't see how the top being flat would effect side pinning :confused:


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21871111 - 06/28/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fine then. Don't listen. Enjoy your side pins


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: azur]
    #21871192 - 06/28/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know we kinda got off on the wrong foot, but I thought I was being perfectly pleasant

Either way. Would be nice to know what flatness has to do with side pinning though.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21871237 - 06/28/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you're cropping surface is smooth, flat and level, everywhere on the surface will be the same. Therefore you will get a good pinning surface.
Got a pic if these trays?


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: azur]
    #21871709 - 06/29/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but the substrate still shrinks. It would still leave gaps in the sides. :confused: I simply don't see the connection. Explaining why it helps would shed some light on this.

I'm gonna go ahead and just use liners in the future. easy fix that addresses the problem at hand


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Matt87]
    #21871766 - 06/29/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21871792 - 06/29/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pins form where the conditions are the best. They form on the sides because the humidity, moisture, etc. is just right there. There are various ways to avoid side pins, but the big question is: do you really want to? If conditions are the best there, why not just let it be?

I realize of course for practical reasons you may want them all on top when harvest time rolls around, but still, I've never found side pins to be difficult. In fact, the best quality mushroom I ever had was a side pin.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: nooneman]
    #21871851 - 06/29/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

High spots in the substrate are dryer than the low spots meaning the high spots won't pin just the low spots. A flat level surface stays evenly moist no dry spots . Jmo


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21872173 - 06/29/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Occams razor.



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In other words, the easiest most obvious answer is almost always the right choice.

Yes. Exposing all sides would make a larger harvest.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Matt87]
    #21872430 - 06/29/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why not use a liner?

I can't stand side pins.  They're easy enough to harvest but I hate picking the substrate off of them.


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Re: 'Birthing' tubs to avoid side pinning? [Re: Matt87]
    #21872456 - 06/29/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Matt87 said:
Occams razor.



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In other words, the easiest most obvious answer is almost always the right choice.

Yes. Exposing all sides would make a larger harvest.




Assuming you have proper conditions still. I'd expect those edges to dry out faster.
I like flat growing surfaces. Side pins are a bitch, especially when they start at bottom and work their way around.


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