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tea and extraction filtration frustration
    #21869644 - 06/28/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have in the past found that powdering dry mushrooms for a water or alcohol extraction has one big advantage and one big drawback. The advantage is: powder allows maximum solvent access to the surface of mushroom tissue--virtually unlimited access. The drawback is: Mushroom powder invariably clogs the fine filter  needed to separate it from the solvent. I wonder if anyone else has run into this issue? My question is: Would it make better sense to crush/break the dry mushrooms into very small bits that still allow plenty of surface access  rather than powder the tissue to ensure full access but by that very procedure make filtration a long and ultimately futile process. By futile I mean, the extract always ends up containing more tissue than is wanted by dint of the fact that the filters are never up to completely cleaning  the filtrate--to do that you would need a filter so fine that it would clog immediately and pretty much stay that way through the whole job. If anyone has experienced this dilemma. I would be pleased to hear what  he/she might have to say.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21869877 - 06/28/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just use three or four coffee filters and squize them through the filters


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: 99.99] * 1
    #21870190 - 06/28/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Man up and swallow the shit, or just pour slower and refilter until you are happy. Cotton shirts work well. Most head shops sell some pretty fine screens these days for pretty cheap.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21871141 - 06/28/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You really don't need to grind it into a complete powder...most of the time I just tear it up with my fingers and I honestly doubt that's even gonna make much of a difference I just do it cuz it takes no time at all anyway.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: mushmagic]
    #21871476 - 06/29/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've been using a coffee filter as a tea bag to hold in the powdered shrooms. Every once and a while, I'll squish and agitate the bag, so all the goodies get extracted.

But occasionally the bag breaks a bit and some of the powder gets into the tea. When this happens I just let the powder settle to the bottom, and pour it out slowly, letting the fallen out powder stay in the original container. I think it's called decanting, but i'm not sure.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21871678 - 06/29/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Man up and swallow the shit, or just pour slower and refilter until you are happy. Cotton shirts work well. Most head shops sell some pretty fine screens these days for pretty cheap.




Yeah, eat those shrooms!

I like to put a big pinch of shroom powder, drop it in a shot glass, fill with OJ or tropical juice, and shoot it back.

Then repeat till your powder dose is gone.


Works perfect :thumbup:


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21871693 - 06/29/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you lose a lot of strength brewing up teas? Always thought tea and the heat associated would kill some strength.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #21871703 - 06/29/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The only time I've ever noticed any sort of potency loss with teas was when I didn't use an acid to aid the extraction.

Actually tea usually feels more potent to me as it comes up faster.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #21871711 - 06/29/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If u dont know how to brew teas, then yes. But the actives in shrooms are very heat tolerable.

Most people who make weak teas do so from either bad technique or weak mushrooms.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21871716 - 06/29/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed, it's probably possible to make a mushroom tea without using an acid, but I am 90% sure I didn't let the mushrooms stay in the water or heat long enough that time.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: Achillita]
    #21871737 - 06/29/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yupz.

This is why Lemon Teks work so well, cause the citric acid accelerates the extraction into the juice.

Lemon teks are basically cold acidic water  extractions. And teas are hot water-based extractions.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: 99.99]
    #21872162 - 06/29/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just use three or four coffee filters and squize them through the filters




Coffee filters are fine. I have used them. I have also used a vacuum filtration kit. But the mushroom powder overpowers the filters--clogs them, makes them impervious. It is a set up for failure, I think, to use powder with close mesh filters.And what's the sense of filtering without a good tight filter?


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: mushmagic]
    #21872165 - 06/29/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You really don't need to grind it into a complete powder...most of the time I just tear it up with my fingers and I honestly doubt that's even gonna make much of a difference I just do it cuz it takes no time at all anyway.




Sounds good to me.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: Achillita]
    #21872172 - 06/29/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've been using a coffee filter as a tea bag to hold in the powdered shrooms. Every once and a while, I'll squish and agitate the bag, so all the goodies get extracted.

But occasionally the bag breaks a bit and some of the powder gets into the tea. When this happens I just let the powder settle to the bottom, and pour it out slowly, letting the fallen out powder stay in the original container. I think it's called decanting, but i'm not sure.




I like this idea. I will try it. Thanks


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: Achillita]
    #21872176 - 06/29/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Agreed, it's probably possible to make a mushroom tea without using an acid, but I am 90% sure I didn't let the mushrooms stay in the water or heat long enough that time.




It is good to use some acid--lemon or even vinegar--when making a water extraction (tea). It is useless to use it, however, if you use alcohol as a substrate--a non polar solvent gets no help from an acid medium. Anytime you use water, use lemon. Otherwise, no--or so say the people who kow--or think they do.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21872182 - 06/29/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Man up and swallow the shit, or just pour slower and refilter until you are happy. Cotton shirts work well. Most head shops sell some pretty fine screens these days for pretty cheap.




Yeah, eat those shrooms!

I like to put a big pinch of shroom powder, drop it in a shot glass, fill with OJ or tropical juice, and shoot it back.

Then repeat till your powder dose is gone.


Works perfect :thumbup:




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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21872191 - 06/29/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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TrippieHunter said:
Man up and swallow the shit, or just pour slower and refilter until you are happy. Cotton shirts work well. Most head shops sell some pretty fine screens these days for pretty cheap.




Yeah, eat those shrooms!

I like to put a big pinch of shroom powder, drop it in a shot glass, fill with OJ or tropical juice, and shoot it back.

Then repeat till your powder dose is gone.





Works perfect :thumbup:






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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21872197 - 06/29/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I have learned from it.


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: mushmagic]
    #21872203 - 06/29/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You really don't need to grind it into a complete powder...most of the time I just tear it up with my fingers and I honestly doubt that's even gonna make much of a difference I just do it cuz it takes no time at all anyway.


this^^^ and permanent coffee filter


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Re: tea and extraction filtration frustration [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21872740 - 06/29/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Trust me brah I hate mushrooms ion general. When I use the lemon tek I don't get the nassty taste of them, and more importantly I don't get the mushroom

burps through the entire trip. This is even when ingesting the tiny bits that
don't filter out. When you go to drink the lemon juice just add some sugar if

you don't like the taste of lemon. I added a little fresh ginger into my brew and then added a shot of ginger ale when I took it. No stomach discomfort or

anything. I'm the type that usually purges from eating straight mushrooms, or even the powder in chocolate, blahh...


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