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Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use
    #21867176 - 06/28/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.

My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much.
The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.

It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive.
My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.

Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice.
Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21875198 - 06/29/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: Feemer]
    #21875439 - 06/29/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Feemer said:
I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take




I think your spot on. It just sucks because im in a sucky situation stuck around closed-mind people. So it can get irritating how they act, interact, think, and get into my business.
But all in all I am greatful for thinking this way and do enjoy it above everything.
Yea, you cant unsee what you saw.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21879827 - 06/30/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At least you aren't oblivious to your observations.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: xFrockx]
    #21894932 - 07/03/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's like McKenna said how we are on drugs all the time. The chemical reactions going off in our bodies is the same as if taken shrooms or lsd. I think that

after some uses and some deep realization while using these drugs you are unlocking your ability to have these psychedelic experiences whenever you please.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21895628 - 07/04/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.

My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much.
The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.

It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive.
My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.

Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice.
Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. :cookiemonster:



Quote:

MajickMuffin said:
Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.

My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much.
The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.

It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive.
My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.

Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice.
Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. :cookiemonster:




I'm sure a alcoholic thinks with his first beer his allot more sexy,smart, and whatever. I would look to any real instantiated effects propagated from psycedelic use.

I think a period long enough to be free of the effects might give you a opportunity to properly analyze any real benefits.

Man I speak like a butt hole. bwwwwhhhh.


Edited by Jaegar (07/04/15 09:12 AM)


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21895890 - 07/04/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
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Feemer said:
I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take




I think your spot on. It just sucks because im in a sucky situation stuck around closed-mind people. So it can get irritating how they act, interact, think, and get into my business.
But all in all I am greatful for thinking this way and do enjoy it above everything.
Yea, you cant unsee what you saw.




You have to be aware of how much you project on to those around you. The world is a kind of mirror. If you see others as "closed-mind people", that says something about you as well. This is important. The buck always stops with you--I am using the generic you here--and you can always tell when someone is on the true path: They are willing to own the buck.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21896378 - 07/04/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yu are unaware of how the bucks have been persuaded or inititated into power. power id their language and accounting.and ypour ass is fertile puncturing woud for their philopfy and power habitat.


Edited by Jaegar (07/04/15 11:42 AM)


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21896462 - 07/04/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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jesuisravi said:
Quote:

MajickMuffin said:
Quote:

Feemer said:
I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take




I think your spot on. It just sucks because im in a sucky situation stuck around closed-mind people. So it can get irritating how they act, interact, think, and get into my business.
But all in all I am greatful for thinking this way and do enjoy it above everything.
Yea, you cant unsee what you saw.




You have to be aware of how much you project on to those around you. The world is a kind of mirror. If you see others as "closed-mind people", that says something about you as well. This is important. The buck always stops with you--I am using the generic you here--and you can always tell when someone is on the true path: They are willing to own the buck.




I do not agree with what you just have said.
And im not always thinking "these people are so close minded" when im around them, i deal with all the shit. Im just saying that because its on topic in this thread.
Life can be like a mirror but that makes no sense to go for this aswell.

If something is a certain way, say that it is, or think that it is, dont 'stop yourself from saying or thinking so in fear that life is a mirror and you will become the same thing'

What the fuck?


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21896469 - 07/04/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah whatever mate. its all sold with violence unless you amercian. I suppose trhe rape is delayed.

It sounds spastic but its presumed and boring. Aint no revolution or change except by embracing the destruction. The momentum will not be swayed by environmental crys or threats. This will be a integral decision whicgh I think we will fail.


Edited by Jaegar (07/04/15 12:12 PM)


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21896583 - 07/04/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelic thoughts are not always pleasant, it is not pleasant waking up

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MajickMuffin said:
Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.

My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much.
The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.

It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive.
My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.

Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice.
Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. :cookiemonster:




Is that a trip drawing in your profile something you saw in trips?

Guess how my world looks like after 100+ high dose LSD trips/mushroom trips, 5+ hits each time

It changes your world, but in good and bad ways, you may regret it , or you may not


It usually shows you the truth, as long as you don't project
but even when you don't project, the truth is not always pleasant


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21896601 - 07/04/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol thats prety enlightening stuff, probably the most I will ever hear. I probably shouldn't declare it enlighhtening. Butt lets call it doggie doo.

I think Every doo doo has potential to be astounding in its own unique way. Ask me to explain that when I wake up tommorow and it may be beyond my pstycic reach.


Edited by Jaegar (07/04/15 12:46 PM)


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21897571 - 07/04/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lessismore said:
Psychedelic thoughts are not always pleasant, it is not pleasant waking up

Quote:

MajickMuffin said:
Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.

My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much.
The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.

It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive.
My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.

Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice.
Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. :cookiemonster:




Is that a trip drawing in your profile something you saw in trips?

Guess how my world looks like after 100+ high dose LSD trips/mushroom trips, 5+ hits each time

It changes your world, but in good and bad ways, you may regret it , or you may not


It usually shows you the truth, as long as you don't project
but even when you don't project, the truth is not always pleasant



:havesomescience::yeahthatsright:


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21897958 - 07/04/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153

Try eating them this way, mushroom chocolates, best way I've tried.. Someone recommended it to me about 4 years ago in here, and it's by far the best way I've tried

peace


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21897994 - 07/04/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lessismore said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153

Try eating them this way, mushroom chocolates, best way I've tried.. Someone recommended it to me about 4 years ago in here, and it's by far the best way I've tried

peace



Wow. Thats cool, thanks alot for sharing that idea with me at this time.
Was going to drink a 3g limetek tea in the fridge here in an hour or two, decide now that ILL just wait until the next chance I get (anytime at night over the next few days) and eat Chocomush.

Ill have another bite of this cookie (green) and ill be good for the night.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin] * 1
    #21904768 - 07/06/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelics are different things to different people. Before I even knew what initiation was, I knew there was some things wrong with me, my thinking, the world, something. July 1, 2015 was the 43rd anniversary of my first LSD trip. The Morning Glory seeds that preceded that day were very visual and perception-altering, but the LSD began 4 years of frequent, sometimes over-use of the then readily available substance. Very quickly it became evident that my values were changing. Even on Morning Glory seeds, the hamburger my dear mom prepared was 'breathing' on the roll. I realized it was hallucinatory, but at the same time the realization that I was eating a once-breathing mammal set in motion an ethical vegetarianism that I have struggled to maintain since 1973. Suddenly, friends' parents were embarrassed because I was at their table eating only the cabbage from their beef & cabbage meal. I was fine, they were uncomfortable. When my friends wanted to barbeque, they didn't want to see me eating a boiled carrot with mustard and sauerkraut instead of a hotdog.

When I camped around the country, and I sat on a ridge on Bryce Canyon, doing the OM mantra, my 3 friends were doing it in mockery in the tent when I returned. Girls who liked me were offended when I told them I wanted to love them non-sexually because I was (foolishly) attempting to be celibate in my 20s. My Jewish parents must have been much more upset than they showed when their son who spent his youth in a growing home lab, abandoned his pre-med studies to become a philosophy major (I recently re-connected with one significant philosophy prof after 40 years)! Then to add insult to injury, when I finished college with no marketable skill, I took Catholic catechism and baptism, and then I asked to attend a Christian seminary, which I did. My folks, (liberal Jews) footed the bill, while I did whatever they wanted of me to earn my keep. I burned my occult library of 5 years worth of collection. I tried to live like a monk or a hermit, and even interviewed with some Catholic monks about monasticism. I made no friends in seminary, and lost touch with my 'townie' friends who could not comprehend why I wasn't taking Quaaludes® and getting laid. Having made no lasting friends in college, and desperately trying to forget the girl I'd fallen in love with before I left college, I began to experience the classic Dark Night of the Soul that one reads about happening to those spiritual seekers who separate themselves from the world.

Despite the terrible psychological conflicts and social isolation, I was motivated by psychedelic experiences to remain in school and to follow my bliss through 3 academic degrees. This is no longer an option for people owing to the insane costs of education. Wherever I have gone over these last 4 decades, my introversion intensified by psychedelics, my fascination with abstruse knowledge, and especially my absence of conventional interests in sports or cars or touristy traveling (rendered frivolous by psychedelic insight and a reduction in desires), has alienated me from most people in life - as well as here on these forums. I often feel like a first-generation mutation like a creature from the TV show Outer Limits. I am truly not interested in someone's slide show from Europe, but not because I'm envious. I'm just not interested. If I was, I'd either travel myself (I can afford to) or spend hours on the internet looking at these places. Now I'm of an age where my former friends are becoming grandparents. I apologize for not taking an interest in child-rearing (I DID counsel parents for almost 30 years as an expert in adolescence), but I wasn't interested in becoming a parent myself. Pics of grandkids? No thanks.

Be advised: Although I was able to channel my inner changes to some practical career, but making friends, dating, conforming to the usual social processes, or being appreciated by a predominantly extraverted and shallow-minded population can be a very difficult lifestyle even for the most introverted individual. If you continue to use psychedelics, and if you take the insight seriously that 'it's really ALL about consciousness,' not people, places, and things, then you may find yourself alone much of the time. I was fortunate to have found a woman who is at least as introverted as I am, and just as principled in shared values. But even though I can share in other people's joy, at the same time, there is an 'invisible wall' between me and them when they come to understand that at another level, I really am uninterested in their luxury car (for example), even if I'm happy that they're happy. When I was working, and asked to attend a brief birthday celebration, I learned to take a slice of cheap cake (and give it away), because I know better than to eat that crap. But if I politely refused, my influence made others feel very self-conscious. I unintentionally ruined their little thrill, and I watched or listened as some would toss their's away or say "I really shouldn't be eating this." Just some food for your thought.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21904839 - 07/06/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn MarcOs you sound like you have been around your mind a few times to figure all that out. You sound like myself and my dad, the main difference is we haven't

figured all that out. Being alone in the world is extremely hard when you feel NO sort of connection with other humans. I have been catching a rash of shit

for the time I spend on this site from wife but I believe it to be for this reason, to try and connect with others on some sort of plain. I have traveled

and seen the world, backpacked through mountains and still haven't found what I am looking for. I do believe that psychedelics can help with that journey but

you may not like what you end up with. Tread carefully and think about what you might lose if you venture too deeply.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21904967 - 07/06/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tread carefully and think about what you might lose if you venture too deeply.

Exactly. I've traded the outer for the inner in significant ways. While I do not regret not having children, I see that much social connection is made within families, and between families, with relatives and friends. I see my lengthy posts as a backed up need to communicate and interact that is not available in real-time. I have no family, and while I do have some friends, the younger ones are 30 years younger, and that puts me in a strange place in their own social hierarchies. I am an oddity at best. My values, or rather lack of values towards parenting have turned a goodly number of young people off. Most people want to remain in their comfort-zone of similar people with similar values. I rejected the typical socio-cultural pattern of behavior. I do hold traditional mores of behavior, like marrying before you have children, so I have never espoused antithetical ideas to marriage, marital fidelity, or responsible parenting. I simply wanted a minimum of drama in my life, but. even this has its downsides. :shrug: You can't have it both ways.

I have not figured everything out, but I have observed that extraverts who used psychedelics abandoned them early on, and they often refuse to attribute any profound meaning to their experience beyond entertainment. Even now, one 30-something woman I know who still takes them, but refuses to sit still and go within. It is unlikely that extraverts who do not seek formlessness will remain one-sidedly attached to form and this usually manifests as materialism. Meanwhile, there have been introverts whose insights manifested outwardly in profound ways like Francis Crick first visualizing the double-helix of DNA while on acid. More recently, Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates have used psychedelics in the service of technology, and despite their immense wealth, they have payed homage to the psychedelic experience as being a 'top shelf' influence in their lives.



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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21905065 - 07/06/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, there are drawbacks -- but I'd still rather be one of us.  :thumbup:


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21905208 - 07/06/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shamans want more rain forests, less technological gadgets and more people connected to their emotions ;-)

coincidentally that is usually often what hippies want too ;P

you may end up in a rain forest somewhere


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21905667 - 07/06/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly. I find that most extroverts have some sort of vice that takes the place of psychedelics; ie, running and heavy cardio/ physical work outs or some

other form of entertainment that keeps their brains from being over ran with thoughts of life and existence. They live for the now. The fancy cars and

houses, they all fade away in the end and what is left? I think this is where most of us come into play, the what is next? I have never been satisfied with

"now" and always wanting needing to know what else is out there in life. I am sorry but working my ass off everyday just to put food in the table in not my

"american dream" and it is not enough for me. People are struggling everywhere around us and for what?


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21906879 - 07/06/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for sharing your story MarkostheGnostic.

I could relate to your problems with general society, with the general mindset and thought patterns, with the general way people act and think, want and live for.
Honestly its so fucked up I want no part in it, but having no part in it puts me by myself.
Even my best friend who does psychedelics with me still participates in society, and with people who think alike with society.

I could easily describe my general beliefs to be very shamanistic, spiritually psychedelic.
Im about 19, ive had mushrooms as my main psychedelic over the past 2 years over 60 times now. LSD 2 times in the middle of that. Amanita Muscaria 1 time as my first psych ever, ha.

Thing is with me, I dont think I can hold onto my sanity to get to your age. I see so much, I hate so much. I am a being of peace, but I am ever so slowly being overwhelmed by anger, anger of this world, and a longing to join the 'real' world (spirit). :havesomescience:


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21908103 - 07/07/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sure, there are drawbacks -- but I'd still rather be one of us.



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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21908127 - 07/07/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, you haven't even begun to live if you're "about 19!" Good God man, I was 19 in 1972! What you need is some guidance. I needed guidance when I was your age, and found a bit from upper classmen in college, whence I received my first LSD. But in the absence of real elders, I read instead: Alan watts, Ram Dass, Ken Kesey, the fictional Don Juan Matus, even Tim Leary. I went to Grateful Dead shows beginning in 1972 and gleaned some insights via their whole musical subculture. Then I got real academic. I set out to become the kind of mentor I wished I could have known. I've became a psychotherapist/counselor (mostly for adolescents) for almost 30 years.

Life is very strange. "What a long strange trip it's been" in fact. Your perception of time will change with time, which is why old folk can't remember what they did all day, but they can describe vividly what happened decades ago. You barely have 2 decades under your belt, and you're not even legal yet! :lol: Shit damn man, you've got a lot of living to do. Don't piss it away and die in your 20s like some of my peers. The "'real' world" exists in the Eternal Present, the here and now, nowhere else. If your senses obscure that fact, don't be deceived to think that physical death will bring you into more pleasant conditions, not as long as you still think you are what you no doubt still think you are. Life is for expanding your sense of identity so that you don't polarize spirit and matter, Nirvana and Samsara, life and death. Most people have no idea what sanity even means. They simply belong to a collective insanity, like becoming compulsive workaholics for stupid baubles to show off to their equally deluded obnoxious neighbors. Is a person with 10 million dollars 10 times happier than a person with 1 million dollars? Is a billionaire a thousand times happier than a millionaire? Why do wealthy, famous 'celebrities' develop hard-core addictions and frequently die early? Do you ask yourself these questions? Do you think a player in a Lamborghini with a stripper sitting next to him is more fulfilled than an awakened man pulling weeds from his yard? The illusions and glamour of this world, Maya, is powerful and deceiving of most people. There can be real misery in the middle of fortune, fame, and worldly pleasure.

If you need help with depression while living in this "vale of tears," by all means find a therapist you like to talk with. As the Buddhists maintain, this human life is actually a very precious opportunity to get free of the suffering of existence, help others along the way, and learn to experience "unbearable compassion," which is nothing less than the "kingdom of Heaven."


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21908450 - 07/07/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks for sharing your story MarkostheGnostic.

I could relate to your problems with general society, with the general mindset and thought patterns, with the general way people act and think, want and live for.
Honestly its so fucked up I want no part in it, but having no part in it puts me by myself.
Even my best friend who does psychedelics with me still participates in society, and with people who think alike with society.

I could easily describe my general beliefs to be very shamanistic, spiritually psychedelic.
Im about 19, ive had mushrooms as my main psychedelic over the past 2 years over 60 times now. LSD 2 times in the middle of that. Amanita Muscaria 1 time as my first psych ever, ha.

Thing is with me, I dont think I can hold onto my sanity to get to your age. I see so much, I hate so much. I am a being of peace, but I am ever so slowly being overwhelmed by anger, anger of this world, and a longing to join the 'real' world (spirit). :havesomescience:




Well if my thoughts count that screamed at me that you need to take a long long break

Psychedelics / weed tends to make people anarchistic, apathetic in some cases

Neither is good for you , instead you should develop compassion

Too much time in the inner world with these substances can make people 'appear cold' to others, even if these people were normal loving and kind, seen that plenty of times before

Watch out, fake compassion is not good - these molecules can also do that

You don't want your thoughts and life to be about drugs
Suddenly you think you can cure anybody just give them the drug, weed, psychedelics - because it is SO good

Drugs often take over our minds, and make us project our non satisfaction onto others and the world

But the reason we did drugs in the first place, was due to slight dissatisfaction, now it just gets amplified and we think the drugs helped us when they didn't

Maybe listen to yourself and stop what you know you must stop, people got many attachments in this world that are not good for them

19 is just too young to be apathetic about the world, that is often the state of what you describe - anger, frustration at the world

Apathy deprives one spiritually, so I would really recommend against more tripping for a long while, but it's your choice

There are better ways to be happy, I always feel happy after cycling 20km i.e., natural endorphins, and sleep good too
We often get unhappy when we don't feel good at home, work, with our studies, in our body , or if we chose the wrong friends (that can also be a risk with drugs sometimes..)

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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21908654 - 07/07/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
Thanks for sharing your story MarkostheGnostic.

I could relate to your problems with general society, with the general mindset and thought patterns, with the general way people act and think, want and live for.
Honestly its so fucked up I want no part in it, but having no part in it puts me by myself.
Even my best friend who does psychedelics with me still participates in society, and with people who think alike with society.

I could easily describe my general beliefs to be very shamanistic, spiritually psychedelic.
Im about 19, ive had mushrooms as my main psychedelic over the past 2 years over 60 times now. LSD 2 times in the middle of that. Amanita Muscaria 1 time as my first psych ever, ha.

Thing is with me, I dont think I can hold onto my sanity to get to your age. I see so much, I hate so much. I am a being of peace, but I am ever so slowly being overwhelmed by anger, anger of this world, and a longing to join the 'real' world (spirit). :havesomescience:




Well if my thoughts count that screamed at me that you need to take a long long break

Psychedelics / weed tends to make people anarchistic, apathetic in some cases

Neither is good for you , instead you should develop compassion

Too much time in the inner world with these substances can make people 'appear cold' to others, even if these people were normal loving and kind, seen that plenty of times before

Watch out, fake compassion is not good - these molecules can also do that

You don't want your thoughts and life to be about drugs
Suddenly you think you can cure anybody just give them the drug, weed, psychedelics - because it is SO good

Drugs often take over our minds, and make us project our non satisfaction onto others and the world

But the reason we did drugs in the first place, was due to slight dissatisfaction, now it just gets amplified and we think the drugs helped us when they didn't

Maybe listen to yourself and stop what you know you must stop, people got many attachments in this world that are not good for them

19 is just too young to be apathetic about the world, that is often the state of what you describe - anger, frustration at the world

Apathy deprives one spiritually, so I would really recommend against more tripping for a long while, but it's your choice

There are better ways to be happy, I always feel happy after cycling 20km i.e., natural endorphins, and sleep good too
We often get unhappy when we don't feel good at home, work, with our studies, in our body , or if we chose the wrong friends (that can also be a risk with drugs sometimes..)

peace




Thanks for your input but youve taken what I said all wrong.

The anger/frusteration is inside of me, slowly growing in power, unseen by anyone around me. Because I am a being of peace, understanding, rationality, but this power inside of me is growing it seems without my control.
It is not a problem, I wasnt trying to make it seem like a problem, and I wasnt trying to make it seem like I plan to take my own life, I dont.

I would never take my own life, but I sure as hell would die for a good cause.

I cannot stop psychedelics, and I am not 'all about drugs', its been an entire month without psychedelics and theyve hardly been on my mind.
I hardly smoke weed, once in a while drink a drink or smoke a puff.

(now replying to MarkostheGnostic):
I know your right when you say I havent even begun to live, I know there is so much more everything, and time.
But with all the things ive been through, experienced, overcome, I feel like an old man. I feel like ive been here for an eternity already.
May I also mention, I dream every single night since I was 16, Lucid Dreams, multiple every night. Which I can remember, which I choose my own path within those dreams just like within this world.
Take that time spent, experiences had, and add it to my age why dont you.

The unfortunate thing is I am more intelligent, understanding, rational, and aware than any 'guide' that I could consider. Any counselers, therapists, etc..
I know of no guides that could guide me, i know they are out there, for example, like yourself.

I am not in a depression neither. I am in happiness and the beauty of this world, but I can also see the dark side, I know what death and decay is, I know what this worlds dark side is.
Its crazy. Its insane. Insanity at its finest.

There are a few things that are bothering me, that could make me a much happier person and would make me 'ignorant' to this dark side because my time would be taken up and I wouldnt be able to think about it.

1: Im very good looking and havent spoken to/met/nothing with a Female for 4 years.
2: Ive been living in near isolation from society for 2 years now.
3: Currently stuck living with my psychologically/spiritually unstable family.

It will clear up soon. I just long for the day which I finally get what im after.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21908683 - 07/07/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"The unfortunate thing is I am more intelligent, understanding, rational, and aware than any 'guide' that I could consider. Any counselers, therapists, etc.. "

Ego alert ?;-) , btw too high ego is normal at your age

humility is not learned in 1 day!

if you think you are already there, think again, you got a while life to learn
even if you have been on earth before , you got new things to learn

thinking only others have things to learn, that is usually ego


you also say you cannot stop your drug, another bad sign
you say you cannot find a gf, another bad sign, sounds like depression
you say you are isolated, depression sign again


Depression is all in your mind usually (even though we don't like to hear that) - we can chose to not be depressed at any moment, to learn from our mistakes.



You cannot CONTROL your anger, you must let your anger come out without hurting others
that is best achieved WITHOUT drugs , drugs skew our perception, make us more angry usually

drugs often bring isolation too.... but now you have been warned


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21908738 - 07/07/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lessismore said:
"The unfortunate thing is I am more intelligent, understanding, rational, and aware than any 'guide' that I could consider. Any counselers, therapists, etc.. "

Ego alert ?;-) , btw too high ego is normal at your age

humility is not learned in 1 day!

if you think you are already there, think again, you got a while life to learn
even if you have been on earth before , you got new things to learn

thinking only others have things to learn, that is usually ego


you also say you cannot stop your drug, another bad sign
you say you cannot find a gf, another bad sign, sounds like depression
you say you are isolated, depression sign again


Depression is all in your mind usually (even though we don't like to hear that) - we can chose to not be depressed at any moment, to learn from our mistakes.



You cannot CONTROL your anger, you must let your anger come out without hurting others
that is best achieved WITHOUT drugs , drugs skew our perception, make us more angry usually

drugs often bring isolation too.... but now you have been warned




Refering to your first thing said: Ego alert? I dont say that all the time, I dont always think that, I dont tell everyone that, I keep that to myself and I keep it a secret.
But its True, therefor in this conversation I have said so.
Like if I said I have a major in Mycology, you would say, "woah, ego alert here, this guy thinks hes better than everyone else".
If I have a major in Mycology than I am more advanced in Mycology than others, its the truth, though I dont rub it in or even ever say so.

I wasnt saying 'I have nothing to learn', I never said that You continue to misconstrue my words.
I will ALWAYS learn to the day of my death and afterwards.
What I was saying, was that I cannot learn from beings lesser advanced in thought and understanding of their own minds than myself.
I require someone with a peace of mind, stable emotions. (that in itself is extremely difficult to find in people of this world)

I cannot stop my drug and or drug usage for a reason, dont just take what I said and only look at that.
I cannot stop because I am on a 'journey of learning', as far as I can tell I am in the middle of my psychedelic usage, for the goal to achieve peace, to where I dont want, need, or require any more usage.

I have learned, I sure as hell CAN control my anger, and emotions, sir.
Dont ever tell yourself or anyone that they cannot control their emotions, controling emotions and 'bottling them up inside' are entirely different things.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21910224 - 07/07/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you haven't yet you really should give some of the authors Marc suggest, a try especially Alan Watts. I will add that anything by the Dalai Lama is usually

very insightful and humbling. You sound like what old men had called me when I was your age a "punk kid". You talk like you know everything, so what is the

point of this thread? I am not saying that to pick at you by any means. I just want you to know that it can't be helped at your age. You have been given some

really good advice by several people here in this thread I hope you took something from any of it.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #21910890 - 07/07/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks everyone for the information and suggestions.
I believe that just about wraps this up (unless Marc was fixin to reply)


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21913015 - 07/08/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

(now replying to MarkostheGnostic):
I know your right when you say I havent even begun to live, I know there is so much more everything, and time.
But with all the things ive been through, experienced, overcome, I feel like an old man. I feel like ive been here for an eternity already.
May I also mention, I dream every single night since I was 16, Lucid Dreams, multiple every night. Which I can remember, which I choose my own path within those dreams just like within this world.
Take that time spent, experiences had, and add it to my age why dont you.

The unfortunate thing is I am more intelligent, understanding, rational, and aware than any 'guide' that I could consider. Any counselers, therapists, etc..
I know of no guides that could guide me, i know they are out there, for example, like yourself.


I am not in a depression neither. I am in happiness and the beauty of this world, but I can also see the dark side, I know what death and decay is, I know what this worlds dark side is.
Its crazy. Its insane. Insanity at its finest.

There are a few things that are bothering me, that could make me a much happier person and would make me 'ignorant' to this dark side because my time would be taken up and I wouldnt be able to think about it.

1: Im very good looking and havent spoken to/met/nothing with a Female for 4 years.
2: Ive been living in near isolation from society for 2 years now.
3: Currently stuck living with my psychologically/spiritually unstable family.

It will clear up soon. I just long for the day which I finally get what im after.


:foreheadslap:

Firstly, lean closer to the screen. Maybe I can reach through it like Shamara in 'The Ring' and Zen-slap the shit out of you. I feel like an old man Don't be an asshole! Tomorrow I will be 62 years old. I am an old man and it doesn't matter what you think in your late teen brain, you have no fucking clue about being old. If you do not develop integrity and a value for the Transcendental, then the gradual loss of the looks you are so proud of, the youthful functioning of your body, and mind, the loss of family members and friends will cripple you and you'll become a typical old man way before you ought to.

I'm not going to wax New-Agey about the "Law of Attraction," but you're obviously not working on yourself, doing sadhana - discipline - which is what will attract all manner of beings to you, healthy and unhealthy, similar souls and parasites. Lucid dreaming happens, it's not an achievement and it doesn't add any wisdom of age to your chronological life. Let's subtract the first 3 years where you still shat in your diapers. Then subtract the HUGE fact that you've never been out in the world surviving on your own, building character through weathering the various setbacks and disappointments. You'll win a female when you've got something to offer besides your 'good looks.' That doesn't make for a relationship, it's just the bauble of the lure. The hook is character and integrity. Pretend you're a psychotherapist, a healthy one, and regard your family as a mental hospital where you work and live. Isolation? Maybe you're an introvert and can't accept that about yourself. Extraverts extravert! That's what they do. If you're not doing it, you're not an extravert and that's just fine. Maybe you don't like most people. You're an introvert, get over it. Learn to like your own company. Depending on others for your fulfillment will always disappoint you, and you'll resent it. Most people refuse to be real. Give me authenticity, or give me solitude. I like to be around real people who talk about real things. Otherwise, make your visit brief. Bullshit is wearisome and fatiguing.

In the second bolded sentence, you display the singular developmental characteristic of adolescence (which lasts til age 25, which is when insurance companies reduce their premiums, and you don't need a co-signer for a car rental, for this reason). That characteristic is egocentricity. It is a nasty side-effect of the struggle for identity - separation & individuation from one's identification with the family group-mind. Additionally, you contradict yourself by affirming that as a therapist/counselor myself, I could supply you with guidance. Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, but if there's me, there's more! I was something of a know-it-all and still seem like that to some, although I will be the first to admit in Socratic fashion that "I Know that I Know nothing," and that Knowing is a face of the Gnosis that I recognize. It is humbling.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21913405 - 07/08/15 04:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Being Egocentric/being aware of greater and lesser, has nothing to do with age IMO.

I appreciate your views and opinions, I will take them into thought.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21914724 - 07/08/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"I didn't mean to say like that but I'm better than everyone else I know/see, I dont normally say it, but this time I did."

funny how the ego can just creep up on ya and take control?


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21915232 - 07/08/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"I didn't mean to say like that but I'm better than everyone else I know/see, I dont normally say it, but this time I did."

funny how the ego can just creep up on ya and take control?




Lol. You should get a 0 shroom rating from everyone for accusing me of saying something/quoting me for saying something THAT I DID NOT SAY.

I never said or meant those words.

EDIT: Im going to make an analogy here.
Some people are Stupid, and some people are Smart.
A Stupid person may have more Experience and Knowledge in Construction, more so than the person who is Smarter than him.
The Stupid person may even be more experienced and knowledgable in Architecture, logistics, than the Smart person.

But the Smart person has a larger capacity for advanced ideas, understanding of himself, his surroundings, awareness of his own senses and the senses and frequencies radiating around himself and all. Yes, this Smart person may have less knowledge in some fields than even Stupid people, which makes the Stupid people more advanced in some areas than the Smart person. But the Smart person is Smart because of his natural abilities, senses, capacity of thought.
Having an open mind, being able to consider even the most blasphemous idea.


There is lesser and greater in this world.
Do you really think everyone is EQUAL?
Some people are ugly, some people are pretty, some people are experienced in construction, some people are experienced in electricity.
Nobody is equal. There is lesser and greater.

KNOWING, that oneself is greater in a certain field than another person, acknowledging that in an supposedly intelligent discussion, is EGOCENTRIC?
Think on that. Is it really Egocentric, or is it the fucking truth?

If its both, than I speak the fucking truth and I am egocentric, dont matter to me.

IMPORTANT: I never said I was better than everyone else at everything. I never implied that.
What I meant was this: I DO NOT KNOW ANYONE WHO CAN GUIDE ME, nobody THAT I KNOW, is more advanced in thought that myself, so I will not go looking and or asking for guidence from them, but I KNOW THEY ARE OUT THERE (and I said, like MarkostheGnostic).
(although I do indeed realize that One can learn from lesser beings than himself, one can learn from anything, but I would not ask a rock to be my Guide)

Go re read what I said after reading this.

You guys are looking at my age and assuming I was just like yourselfs when you were my age, or just generalizing how my generation is, acts, and thinks, and smacking me on that stereotype.
Age does not matter, One can spend 40 years sitting on a couch watching TV, or One can spend 5 years doing Hardcore research, studying his interests, going out and exploring the world, learning. WHICH IS MORE EXPERIENCED? (although, experienced is a generalization that in actuallity makes no sense, because experience is very specific based on fields, what your doing)

I am different, believe it or not, they call me MasterMind, the reincarnation of Einstein.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21915391 - 07/08/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You said you are so clever you could never learn from any psycho coach, whether they had a phd in psychology or not it sounded like

You were the best , even smarter than your stupid family


Your ego is distorted into nonsense, you are projecting at everyone in your world, assuming you are smarter/better than them

The most spiritually aware
The cleverest
The best looking so you should get a gf
Nothing to learn, because you already know it all it sounds like


You come off as egocentrical , and not just to a few people, probably to everyone around you

That's why you feel isolated, because you don't control your own ego
You project your frustration onto others


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
    #21915470 - 07/08/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You said you are so clever you could never learn from any psycho coach, whether they had a phd in psychology or not it sounded like

You were the best , even smarter than your stupid family


Your ego is distorted into nonsense, you are projecting at everyone in your world, assuming you are smarter/better than them

The most spiritually aware
The cleverest
The best looking so you should get a gf
Nothing to learn, because you already know it all it sounds like


You come off as egocentrical , and not just to a few people, probably to everyone around you

That's why you feel isolated, because you don't control your own ego
You project your frustration onto others




You read my words as 123, and repeat my words as 321.

You read my words as 123, and understand my words as 321.

Quit fucking assuming, I mean EXACTLY what I type. Nothing more, nothing less.
You are making an utter fool of yourself.

EDIT:
Heres what you said, AN EXACT COPY AND PASTE:
"The most spiritually aware
The cleverest
The best looking so you should get a gf
Nothing to learn, because you already know it all it sounds like"

I never said, OR meant, ANY of these things.
Go back and read my fucking words, AS I WRIT THEM.

Your pissing me off, because your accusing me of shit that I never said, or meant.
Start quoting my words so we can see my exact words match up to your accusations.

Your coming across either as someone who can hardly read, or understand English, or is just being a complete asshole/troll.


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    #21915694 - 07/08/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I am different, believe it or not, they call me MasterMind, the reincarnation of Einstein.




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    #21915723 - 07/08/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
I am different, believe it or not, they call me MasterMind, the reincarnation of Einstein.




Who does?




That was a joke sir. Lol. (not that I didnt expect anyone to reply specifically to that sentence, but not like you did)

I mean, that would sound kinds stupid IMO for people to actually refer to a person as MasterMind


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: Sun King]
    #21916129 - 07/08/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sun King said:
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MajickMuffin said:
I am different, believe it or not, they call me MasterMind, the reincarnation of Einstein.




Who does?






The people who call him that. Duh!


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21916159 - 07/08/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

His mom doesn't count.


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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: Sun King]
    #21922524 - 07/09/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The buck always stops with you--I am using the generic you here--and you can always tell when someone is on the true path: They are willing to own the buck.


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