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Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use
#21867176 - 06/28/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.
My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much. The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.
It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive. My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.
Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice. Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21875198 - 06/29/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: Feemer]
#21875439 - 06/29/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Feemer said: I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take
I think your spot on. It just sucks because im in a sucky situation stuck around closed-mind people. So it can get irritating how they act, interact, think, and get into my business. But all in all I am greatful for thinking this way and do enjoy it above everything. Yea, you cant unsee what you saw.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21879827 - 06/30/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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At least you aren't oblivious to your observations.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: xFrockx]
#21894932 - 07/03/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's like McKenna said how we are on drugs all the time. The chemical reactions going off in our bodies is the same as if taken shrooms or lsd. I think that
after some uses and some deep realization while using these drugs you are unlocking your ability to have these psychedelic experiences whenever you please.
-------------------- Just remember keep the camera rolling and FILM THE POLICE!!! CLICK ME WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON? CLICK ME TOO! Let it go and you will trip into wonderland!
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21895628 - 07/04/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.
My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much. The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.
It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive. My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.
Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice. Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. 
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MajickMuffin said: Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.
My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much. The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.
It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive. My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.
Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice. Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. 
I'm sure a alcoholic thinks with his first beer his allot more sexy,smart, and whatever. I would look to any real instantiated effects propagated from psycedelic use.
I think a period long enough to be free of the effects might give you a opportunity to properly analyze any real benefits.
Man I speak like a butt hole. bwwwwhhhh.
Edited by Jaegar (07/04/15 09:12 AM)
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
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Feemer said: I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take
I think your spot on. It just sucks because im in a sucky situation stuck around closed-mind people. So it can get irritating how they act, interact, think, and get into my business. But all in all I am greatful for thinking this way and do enjoy it above everything. Yea, you cant unsee what you saw.
You have to be aware of how much you project on to those around you. The world is a kind of mirror. If you see others as "closed-mind people", that says something about you as well. This is important. The buck always stops with you--I am using the generic you here--and you can always tell when someone is on the true path: They are willing to own the buck.
-------------------- Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ” ― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: jesuisravi]
#21896378 - 07/04/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yu are unaware of how the bucks have been persuaded or inititated into power. power id their language and accounting.and ypour ass is fertile puncturing woud for their philopfy and power habitat.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: jesuisravi]
#21896462 - 07/04/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jesuisravi said:
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MajickMuffin said:
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Feemer said: I know what you mean! I personally view it as a good thing and strive for it. What you realize after continued psychedlic use is that you reach a "mental level/state" if you will while your on shrooms. But you can achieve that same state sober. But psychedlics, especially shrooms, really do help you think in more abstract, relationship oriented (as in the relationship between things and how they impact one another), and deeper ways. You can achieve this mental state with meditation, and "thinking yourself there", albeit this can be difficult and is not the total mental state that psychedlics and meditation can achieve. I also think that these effects remain from psychedlic use because you can't unsee what you saw while on shrooms. Now I can't just assume what you experienced, but many people equate the experience, to lesser or greater forms, as seeing true reality. It has a lasting effect. I think these effects are positive as they really do encourage higher level, abstract, and introspective thinking. But that's just my take
I think your spot on. It just sucks because im in a sucky situation stuck around closed-mind people. So it can get irritating how they act, interact, think, and get into my business. But all in all I am greatful for thinking this way and do enjoy it above everything. Yea, you cant unsee what you saw.
You have to be aware of how much you project on to those around you. The world is a kind of mirror. If you see others as "closed-mind people", that says something about you as well. This is important. The buck always stops with you--I am using the generic you here--and you can always tell when someone is on the true path: They are willing to own the buck.
I do not agree with what you just have said. And im not always thinking "these people are so close minded" when im around them, i deal with all the shit. Im just saying that because its on topic in this thread. Life can be like a mirror but that makes no sense to go for this aswell.
If something is a certain way, say that it is, or think that it is, dont 'stop yourself from saying or thinking so in fear that life is a mirror and you will become the same thing'
What the fuck?
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21896469 - 07/04/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah whatever mate. its all sold with violence unless you amercian. I suppose trhe rape is delayed.
It sounds spastic but its presumed and boring. Aint no revolution or change except by embracing the destruction. The momentum will not be swayed by environmental crys or threats. This will be a integral decision whicgh I think we will fail.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21896583 - 07/04/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychedelic thoughts are not always pleasant, it is not pleasant waking up
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MajickMuffin said: Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.
My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much. The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.
It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive. My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.
Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice. Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. 
Is that a trip drawing in your profile something you saw in trips?
Guess how my world looks like after 100+ high dose LSD trips/mushroom trips, 5+ hits each time
It changes your world, but in good and bad ways, you may regret it , or you may not
It usually shows you the truth, as long as you don't project but even when you don't project, the truth is not always pleasant
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
#21896601 - 07/04/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol thats prety enlightening stuff, probably the most I will ever hear. I probably shouldn't declare it enlighhtening. Butt lets call it doggie doo.
I think Every doo doo has potential to be astounding in its own unique way. Ask me to explain that when I wake up tommorow and it may be beyond my pstycic reach.
Edited by Jaegar (07/04/15 12:46 PM)
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
#21897571 - 07/04/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Psychedelic thoughts are not always pleasant, it is not pleasant waking up
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MajickMuffin said: Im not really sure how to go about saying this, but im sure you guys will be able to understand, or experience similar things.
My thought patterns have changed since my psychedelic use. Whenever I see something happen, see someone do something, see someones reaction, see anything, I think so much. The things I think, the way I think, the depth and patterns of my thought, is very much like how it seems I think while on psychedelics, like mushrooms.
It seems to have enhanced my comprehension, understanding, intuitive. My last trip was 22 days ago, it was a hard and rough one.
Im not sure whether I like this or not, but its not like I have a choice. Ugh...sometimes its like...for fucks sake. 
Is that a trip drawing in your profile something you saw in trips?
Guess how my world looks like after 100+ high dose LSD trips/mushroom trips, 5+ hits each time
It changes your world, but in good and bad ways, you may regret it , or you may not
It usually shows you the truth, as long as you don't project but even when you don't project, the truth is not always pleasant

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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21897958 - 07/04/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153
Try eating them this way, mushroom chocolates, best way I've tried.. Someone recommended it to me about 4 years ago in here, and it's by far the best way I've tried
peace
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: lessismore]
#21897994 - 07/04/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153
Try eating them this way, mushroom chocolates, best way I've tried.. Someone recommended it to me about 4 years ago in here, and it's by far the best way I've tried
peace
Wow. Thats cool, thanks alot for sharing that idea with me at this time. Was going to drink a 3g limetek tea in the fridge here in an hour or two, decide now that ILL just wait until the next chance I get (anytime at night over the next few days) and eat Chocomush.
Ill have another bite of this cookie (green) and ill be good for the night.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
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Psychedelics are different things to different people. Before I even knew what initiation was, I knew there was some things wrong with me, my thinking, the world, something. July 1, 2015 was the 43rd anniversary of my first LSD trip. The Morning Glory seeds that preceded that day were very visual and perception-altering, but the LSD began 4 years of frequent, sometimes over-use of the then readily available substance. Very quickly it became evident that my values were changing. Even on Morning Glory seeds, the hamburger my dear mom prepared was 'breathing' on the roll. I realized it was hallucinatory, but at the same time the realization that I was eating a once-breathing mammal set in motion an ethical vegetarianism that I have struggled to maintain since 1973. Suddenly, friends' parents were embarrassed because I was at their table eating only the cabbage from their beef & cabbage meal. I was fine, they were uncomfortable. When my friends wanted to barbeque, they didn't want to see me eating a boiled carrot with mustard and sauerkraut instead of a hotdog.
When I camped around the country, and I sat on a ridge on Bryce Canyon, doing the OM mantra, my 3 friends were doing it in mockery in the tent when I returned. Girls who liked me were offended when I told them I wanted to love them non-sexually because I was (foolishly) attempting to be celibate in my 20s. My Jewish parents must have been much more upset than they showed when their son who spent his youth in a growing home lab, abandoned his pre-med studies to become a philosophy major (I recently re-connected with one significant philosophy prof after 40 years)! Then to add insult to injury, when I finished college with no marketable skill, I took Catholic catechism and baptism, and then I asked to attend a Christian seminary, which I did. My folks, (liberal Jews) footed the bill, while I did whatever they wanted of me to earn my keep. I burned my occult library of 5 years worth of collection. I tried to live like a monk or a hermit, and even interviewed with some Catholic monks about monasticism. I made no friends in seminary, and lost touch with my 'townie' friends who could not comprehend why I wasn't taking Quaaludes® and getting laid. Having made no lasting friends in college, and desperately trying to forget the girl I'd fallen in love with before I left college, I began to experience the classic Dark Night of the Soul that one reads about happening to those spiritual seekers who separate themselves from the world.
Despite the terrible psychological conflicts and social isolation, I was motivated by psychedelic experiences to remain in school and to follow my bliss through 3 academic degrees. This is no longer an option for people owing to the insane costs of education. Wherever I have gone over these last 4 decades, my introversion intensified by psychedelics, my fascination with abstruse knowledge, and especially my absence of conventional interests in sports or cars or touristy traveling (rendered frivolous by psychedelic insight and a reduction in desires), has alienated me from most people in life - as well as here on these forums. I often feel like a first-generation mutation like a creature from the TV show Outer Limits. I am truly not interested in someone's slide show from Europe, but not because I'm envious. I'm just not interested. If I was, I'd either travel myself (I can afford to) or spend hours on the internet looking at these places. Now I'm of an age where my former friends are becoming grandparents. I apologize for not taking an interest in child-rearing (I DID counsel parents for almost 30 years as an expert in adolescence), but I wasn't interested in becoming a parent myself. Pics of grandkids? No thanks.
Be advised: Although I was able to channel my inner changes to some practical career, but making friends, dating, conforming to the usual social processes, or being appreciated by a predominantly extraverted and shallow-minded population can be a very difficult lifestyle even for the most introverted individual. If you continue to use psychedelics, and if you take the insight seriously that 'it's really ALL about consciousness,' not people, places, and things, then you may find yourself alone much of the time. I was fortunate to have found a woman who is at least as introverted as I am, and just as principled in shared values. But even though I can share in other people's joy, at the same time, there is an 'invisible wall' between me and them when they come to understand that at another level, I really am uninterested in their luxury car (for example), even if I'm happy that they're happy. When I was working, and asked to attend a brief birthday celebration, I learned to take a slice of cheap cake (and give it away), because I know better than to eat that crap. But if I politely refused, my influence made others feel very self-conscious. I unintentionally ruined their little thrill, and I watched or listened as some would toss their's away or say "I really shouldn't be eating this." Just some food for your thought.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Damn MarcOs you sound like you have been around your mind a few times to figure all that out. You sound like myself and my dad, the main difference is we haven't
figured all that out. Being alone in the world is extremely hard when you feel NO sort of connection with other humans. I have been catching a rash of shit
for the time I spend on this site from wife but I believe it to be for this reason, to try and connect with others on some sort of plain. I have traveled
and seen the world, backpacked through mountains and still haven't found what I am looking for. I do believe that psychedelics can help with that journey but
you may not like what you end up with. Tread carefully and think about what you might lose if you venture too deeply.
-------------------- Just remember keep the camera rolling and FILM THE POLICE!!! CLICK ME WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON? CLICK ME TOO! Let it go and you will trip into wonderland!
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: TrippieHunter]
#21904967 - 07/06/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tread carefully and think about what you might lose if you venture too deeply.
Exactly. I've traded the outer for the inner in significant ways. While I do not regret not having children, I see that much social connection is made within families, and between families, with relatives and friends. I see my lengthy posts as a backed up need to communicate and interact that is not available in real-time. I have no family, and while I do have some friends, the younger ones are 30 years younger, and that puts me in a strange place in their own social hierarchies. I am an oddity at best. My values, or rather lack of values towards parenting have turned a goodly number of young people off. Most people want to remain in their comfort-zone of similar people with similar values. I rejected the typical socio-cultural pattern of behavior. I do hold traditional mores of behavior, like marrying before you have children, so I have never espoused antithetical ideas to marriage, marital fidelity, or responsible parenting. I simply wanted a minimum of drama in my life, but. even this has its downsides. You can't have it both ways.
I have not figured everything out, but I have observed that extraverts who used psychedelics abandoned them early on, and they often refuse to attribute any profound meaning to their experience beyond entertainment. Even now, one 30-something woman I know who still takes them, but refuses to sit still and go within. It is unlikely that extraverts who do not seek formlessness will remain one-sidedly attached to form and this usually manifests as materialism. Meanwhile, there have been introverts whose insights manifested outwardly in profound ways like Francis Crick first visualizing the double-helix of DNA while on acid. More recently, Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates have used psychedelics in the service of technology, and despite their immense wealth, they have payed homage to the psychedelic experience as being a 'top shelf' influence in their lives.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21905065 - 07/06/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sure, there are drawbacks -- but I'd still rather be one of us.
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Re: Psychedelic thoughts while sober, after psych use [Re: DividedQuantum]
#21905208 - 07/06/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shamans want more rain forests, less technological gadgets and more people connected to their emotions ;-)
coincidentally that is usually often what hippies want too ;P
you may end up in a rain forest somewhere
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