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I met Jesus Christ this evening * 2
    #21866714 - 06/27/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I posted about this in the psychedelic experience but I thought I would place it here too because well, this is the spirituality forum.

ANyway, this happened completely by accident. I was attempting to smoke a low dose of DMT to help me to discern whether or not it was in my interests to use psychedelics or to focus solely on non drug spiritual practices. But my pipe was not giving me good hits, so I decided to heat it on the stove. Well, it worked but it worked far too well. As soon as I hit it, I realized that it was the thickest and biggest hit of DMT I had ever taken and I was about to enter hyperspace, which I really really really did not want to do considering how difficult it was for me to recover from and integrate my last DMT breakthrough.

But it was too late. Reality was ripped away from me and I was completely overwhelmed. I could feel myself resisting and suffering horribly but I could not let go because I did not even want to be tripping. I felt like tripping was stupid and I had made a horrible mistake. Then I found my ego dissolving and I found myself in some afterlife realm or something of that nature. The most awful and hideous evil spirits/demons came flying at me from every direction and ripping me apart. I was about to panic when I remembered my faith. I thought about how I had attended Mass every day this week. I thought about how I had spent last night in eucharistic adoration. I thought about how much I loved Jesus and so I called to him. Instantly the evil spirits fled in terror at the mention of the divine name and I was wrapped in the most loving embrace I have ever felt. There are no words that describe the love I felt, it was utter sweetness and peace. I realized that it was what I had been longing for and searching for my entire life. My fears began to dissolve and I realized that although I had sinned horribly throughout my entire life, the feeble attempts I had made to worship God and get to know Him were somehow enough to cause him to have mercy on me. Then Jesus told me that he was with me always and that God could do anything (he said this because I have suffered from a lot of doubt as to whether God could actually heal a soul as broken as my own and he could see that I was thinking this).

and well, that was that. I plan to spend the rest of my life serving Jesus now. I no longer feel drawn toward earthly pleasures, there is nothing on earth that can compare to the love I felt. It was above the highest ecstasy, it was total peace, it was all I have ever longed for.

Also I now feel like spiritual teachings which don't feel as though they come from love and dont me bring me nearer to that love are harmful and not helpful, at least to me, where I am on my journey. I am so thankful I discovered Christianity because it has done things for me that no other religions or teachings could do. The other teachings showed me great truth but only in Christianity have I experienced the peace and the love that I longed for.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21866802 - 06/28/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So now your gonna spend the rest of your life serving Jesus? Shouldn't you be serving God? I don't believe in "god". But Jesus was just a man.... Good prophet, but just a man.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21866817 - 06/28/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)




By taking up a belief system you could be limiting yourself from the infinite potential of the universe and it's healing powers.  It's important to keep yourself and your mind open.

“Religion is belief in someone else's experience. Spirituality is having your own experience."


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Signeg]
    #21866892 - 06/28/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah spirituality is my own experience and in my own experience, love is what's at the heart of it all, which is what the Jesus story expresses so beautifully.

and serving God and serving Jesus are the same thing. The Holy Trinity is one in purpose.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21867559 - 06/28/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21867591 - 06/28/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

haha yes that was the revelation. How can God feel so good? How can he be so powerful and divine? How can he be so peaceful, mercifl and loving. People are miserable becausre they dont know how to relate with God. They dont understand his mercy or his love. If only they knew. this world could be a happy place.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21868369 - 06/28/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah spirituality is my own experience and in my own experience, love is what's at the heart of it all, which is what the Jesus story expresses so beautifully.

and serving God and serving Jesus are the same thing. The Holy Trinity is one in purpose.







Dude, how do you know that it wasn't you just creating the whole experience in your mind? I'm not saying Jesus isn't real and all that, I'm a believer too, but if you remember a lot of users DMT experiences were based on only what they had in their minds before. Like for example, Terranec Mckenna with his "machine elves". I mean, he thought that was the real reality of life (I guess after death as well). It only was a reflection of his personality that he saw that and what he had in his mind before the trip.


I'm not saying DMT can't show you something real and true, its just I got a hard time believing you went through all that and saw demons and stuff and Jesus. Indeed in the spiritual writings you should consider that it had been all a machination of deception by an "angel of light" and consider yourself not worthy of seeing or having such a vision/experience.

What if humans created Christianity as the ultimate religion so that we could live forever in the afterlife? I thought about this one time. Maybe we created it and then it became true because we created it... Just like some people's DMT trips... Or maybe those demons you saw were real, what did the look like dude? 


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    #21869289 - 06/28/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you realize that the Holy Trinity is not biblical, that as a theological doctrine it developed from a Duality of Father-Son in the 2nd century CE to a Trinity after Tertullian referred to 3 unrelated divine names as a trinity. Tertullian wrote about his formula of the Holy Trinity after he became a Montanist, ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montanism ) and was denounced himself as a heretic. Iesous/Y'shua/isa would not have recognized God as anything but a monotheistic ONE based on the Shema, the single most definitive statement of Judaism (just as the Shahada is for Islam).

The intellectual constructs of Christian trinitarian theology are similar to the explications of Kabbalistic Judaism - later developments which speak more to the intellectual composition of human minds than to the Intellectual incomprehensibility of God. Yet, hypocritically, or perhaps in a better light, paradoxically, or traditionally, I find myself praying in the names of a Gnostic trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Mother. But I realize that this is not in Reality a tripartite God, but rather, that my psyche needs to draw upon certain archetypes in order to approach God "with all my heart, all my soul, and all my might." Metaphysically, God is ONE, the "Superessential Godhead" of Pseudo-Dionysus. I had to explain this to my late father-in-law, a Nigerian Muslim who had never explored that believed Christianity to be a polytheistic religion essentially because of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

The Bible bids the Christian to pray "in Jesus' name," but not TO Jesus. Even Jesus says to a follower:  "... Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" - Mark 10:18. It was Christian theology that explicated Greek mythic ideas to turn Jesus into the Incarnation of God. If anything, as the title of an old theology text by D.M. Bailly states, God Was In Christ, Jesus is not God. But it behooves the Christian to tease these things apart because the doctrines of mainstream theology serve to keep the average believer outside the Holy-of-Holies of theological thought because most Christians cannot handle the ultimate truth of what Jesus Really means for each of us.

You have conflated your own psychological material with your own interpretation of biblical writ, WHILE on a powerful psychedelic agent, and then arrived at your own conclusions, which IMO are an admixture of bad with good. The bad is your own exaggerated sense of sinfulness before God, and the good being your conviction about love (agapé) as being the all-important core teaching. I don't know you personally deviate, but I am fairly confident that you're no Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, or Adolph Hitler in your sins against God or humanity. Maybe look into the phenomenology of biblical agapé if you need to know more about it. Otherwise, like most people, there is a tendency to confuse the various forms of love that Greek antiquity has described. The classic tome, entitled Agape and Eros is pricey, but maybe a library can find you a copy. A less well known book by Daniel Day Williams that is affordable is The Spirit and Forms of Love. The explanation about the Trinity that I used to educated my late father-in-law was from  Principles of Christian Theology by John MacQuarrie.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/happiness/the-ancient-greeks-6-words-for-love-and-why-knowing-them-can-change-your-life?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=20131227#.Ur7rEfzJtvU.facebook


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21870523 - 06/28/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not saying DMT can't show you something real and true, its just I got a hard time believing you went through all that and saw demons and stuff and Jesus. Indeed in the spiritual writings you should consider that it had been all a machination of deception by an "angel of light" and consider yourself not worthy of seeing or having such a vision/experience.
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yeah spirituality is my own experience and in my own experience, love is what's at the heart of it all, which is what the Jesus story expresses so beautifully.

and serving God and serving Jesus are the same thing. The Holy Trinity is one in purpose.







Dude, how do you know that it wasn't you just creating the whole experience in your mind? I'm not saying Jesus isn't real and all that, I'm a believer too, but if you remember a lot of users DMT experiences were based on only what they had in their minds before. Like for example, Terranec Mckenna with his "machine elves". I mean, he thought that was the real reality of life (I guess after death as well). It only was a reflection of his personality that he saw that and what he had in his mind before the trip.


I'm not saying DMT can't show you something real and true, its just I got a hard time believing you went through all that and saw demons and stuff and Jesus. Indeed in the spiritual writings you should consider that it had been all a machination of deception by an "angel of light" and consider yourself not worthy of seeing or having such a vision/experience.

What if humans created Christianity as the ultimate religion so that we could live forever in the afterlife? I thought about this one time. Maybe we created it and then it became true because we created it... Just like some people's DMT trips... Or maybe those demons you saw were real, what did the look like dude? 




Its all mind, dude. I was in the cosmic mind. there are some experiences which are like, created in the human and are illusiory but on this much DMT i was in the cosmic mind. My experience was totally real as an experience. I am not saying anything about its reality in an objective sense, but it was totally real for me and my reality is the only one that matters for me.

The love I felt was totally transcendental, not something I can create out of my mind. It was the eternal love of awareness. as the Bible puts it, God's love endures forever.

I know satan can appear as an angel of light, I have read the Philokalia buit this wasnt like that because the false grace of satan never feels that loving, or that peaceful or that indifferent to circumstances.

Anyway, I see no reason to to form beliefs about my experience, try to decide if it was real or not. For me all experiences are real as experiences and this experience showed me truth of God's love, his power and mercy. Why should I bother doubting something so wonderful? I mean, who cares whether or not its "real" it feels so amazing that questions over whether or not its real just seem ridilous and silly. You dont need the discursive mind to analyze it, you are free to just love.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21870620 - 06/28/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you realize that the Holy Trinity is not biblical, that as a theological doctrine it developed from a Duality of Father-Son in the 2nd century CE to a Trinity after Tertullian referred to 3 unrelated divine names as a trinity. Tertullian wrote about his formula of the Holy Trinity after he became a Montanist, ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montanism ) and was denounced himself as a heretic. Iesous/Y'shua/isa would not have recognized God as anything but a monotheistic ONE based on the Shema, the single most definitive statement of Judaism (just as the Shahada is for Islam).

The intellectual constructs of Christian trinitarian theology are similar to the explications of Kabbalistic Judaism - later developments which speak more to the intellectual composition of human minds than to the Intellectual incomprehensibility of God. Yet, hypocritically, or perhaps in a better light, paradoxically, or traditionally, I find myself praying in the names of a Gnostic trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Mother. But I realize that this is not in Reality a tripartite God, but rather, that my psyche needs to draw upon certain archetypes in order to approach God "with all my heart, all my soul, and all my might." Metaphysically, God is ONE, the "Superessential Godhead" of Pseudo-Dionysus. I had to explain this to my late father-in-law, a Nigerian Muslim who had never explored that believed Christianity to be a polytheistic religion essentially because of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

The Bible bids the Christian to pray "in Jesus' name," but not TO Jesus. Even Jesus says to a follower:  "... Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" - Mark 10:18. It was Christian theology that explicated Greek mythic ideas to turn Jesus into the Incarnation of God. If anything, as the title of an old theology text by D.M. Bailly states, God Was In Christ, Jesus is not God. But it behooves the Christian to tease these things apart because the doctrines of mainstream theology serve to keep the average believer outside the Holy-of-Holies of theological thought because most Christians cannot handle the ultimate truth of what Jesus Really means for each of us.

You have conflated your own psychological material with your own interpretation of biblical writ, WHILE on a powerful psychedelic agent, and then arrived at your own conclusions, which IMO are an admixture of bad with good. The bad is your own exaggerated sense of sinfulness before God, and the good being your conviction about love (agapé) as being the all-important core teaching. I don't know you personally deviate, but I am fairly confident that you're no Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, or Adolph Hitler in your sins against God or humanity. Maybe look into the phenomenology of biblical agapé if you need to know more about it. Otherwise, like most people, there is a tendency to confuse the various forms of love that Greek antiquity has described. The classic tome, entitled Agape and Eros is pricey, but maybe a library can find you a copy. A less well known book by Daniel Day Williams that is affordable is The Spirit and Forms of Love. The explanation about the Trinity that I used to educated my late father-in-law was from  Principles of Christian Theology by John MacQuarrie.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/happiness/the-ancient-greeks-6-words-for-love-and-why-knowing-them-can-change-your-life?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=20131227#.Ur7rEfzJtvU.facebook





yeah I realize that trinity is not Biblical and actually after this experience I feel so much less sinful, I realized that God's love and mercy are so much greater than any of my sins and I am at a point now where I can just throw out the whole paradigm of sin because I see that as long as I do my best to live from the love of my own heart, and to love my own heart (which I now realize is actually incredible beautiful), I needn't worry about sin because I am a sincere being and most of my errors were made because I was lacking in knowledge rather than because I was flawed as a being. Its like the Philokalia says, ignorance is the cause of all sin. I think the difficulty for me was before is that I did not trust in my own sincerity.

I dont find myself overly concerned with matters of theology or doctrine.  When I sit out under the stars and watch the plants and animals and allow my mind to clear, I couldn't care less aout things like whether or not the doctrine of the Trinity is Biblical or not. That stuff just doesn't interest me, I am interested most in my own direct experience. It feels like a tiny beam of light has entered my heart and is now opening it up to a much greater love than I was previously capable of.

I know I have a lot of growing left to do but I think its all going to be ok one day. In large part this has been due to my worship of Jesus, worshiping him in church helped me to find something better than material pleasures to focus on. Thank you for your thought Markos, I always appreciate what you have to say.

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The Bible bids the Christian to pray "in Jesus' name," but not TO Jesus. Even Jesus says to a follower:  "... Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" - Mark 10:18. It was Christian theology that explicated Greek mythic ideas to turn Jesus into the Incarnation of God. If anything, as the title of an old theology text by D.M. Bailly states, God Was In Christ, Jesus is not God. But it behooves the Christian to tease these things apart because the doctrines of mainstream theology serve to keep the average believer outside the Holy-of-Holies of theological thought because most Christians cannot handle the ultimate truth of what Jesus Really means for each of us.




Markos is there any way you could try to stop confusing me so much? You are the one who first taught me to pray TO Jesus.  you suggested I use the Jesus Prayer years ago. THat is a prayer which YOU suggested and it is TO Jesus. Are you contradicting yourself now? The Philokalia (which you also recommended to me) speaks constantly about praying TO JESUS. are you saying all those saints (whom you yourself recommended) are all wrong and dont know what they are talking about now? The Philokalia has been immensely helpful to me. I did my best to put your advice into practice , I have used the Jesus prayer every day for over 2 years now. Now youre telling me I have been doing it wrong all this time and I should've been praying to God instead? what the heck? first of all, I cant see why it matters second why didn't you tell me that from the beginning?  Why do you love to confuse me markos when I am otherwise doing well?



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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21870718 - 06/28/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

“We are the great danger. Psyche is the great danger. How important is to know something about it, but we know nothing about it.”

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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21870733 - 06/28/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

sounds like a good experience, and it sounds like it's had positive effects for you :smile: i agree that only choosing teachings and practices that are based out of love (for self and others) is best :smile:

best wishes on your journey Deviate, may it be filled with many blessings and much love ! :smile:


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Signeg]
    #21870745 - 06/28/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am not tired of growing, but gaining a whole lot of spiritual knowledge without love or emotional maturity to balance it, leads me into darkness.

I am all for exploring consciousness, but I need some method of staying grounded also. I need to heal all the damage that happened as a result of me adopting the false values of this society. After I am more healed then I will feel more comfortable exploring the deeper mysteries of existence.

Personally I like sacred cactus far more than mushrooms. I might eat a few mushrooms here and there because they dont last long, but honestly the two entheogens I am interested in are cactus and aminita muscaria.

I havent had good learning experiences on mushrooms lately to be honest. I took 6 grams a few weeks ago and had a great time but I did not come away feeling like I had learned much or grown as a person. It was just recreational. Cactus on the other hand, i always come back a different person.


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    #21870750 - 06/28/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everything is part of your experience.


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    #21870831 - 06/28/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yes, and?


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21871702 - 06/29/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I sit out under the stars and watch the plants and animals and allow my mind to clear, I couldn't care less aout things like whether or not the doctrine of the Trinity is Biblical or not. That stuff just doesn't interest me, I am interested most in my own direct experience.

Congratulations! You're a Christian Gnostic!( or a Gnostic Christian. The emphasis is your choice) :thumbup: :hug:


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    #21872432 - 06/29/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks markos in large part i feel like my progress and growth in love is in large part a result of my practice of prayer of the heart, so thank you for introducing me to that practice. it has truly changed my life as as well as inspiring me to read books like the Philokalia which has also been life changimng.

i still dont get why you said to pray to Jesus and now say thats incorrect though.

I also wanted to say one of the things I love about my church is how mystical it actually is. I love to go sit in "adoration" before the blessed sacrament with a bunch of my friends from the young adult group or just by myself.

There is no doctrine there, no words, nothing to do, there is just Presence. I recently realized that there is nothing but prescense.  Thoughts come and go but I AM here always as the witness of them. I am finding this very liberating. so thank you markos.

I want to add that out of all the spiritucal practices i have done, the Jesus prayer/prayer of the heart has been the most difficult for me and challenged me in the most deep ways. So many time I am deciding to give it up but then i ssy, no deviate you fan do this, you will do this, you can do this and BOOM. The demons go.


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    #21874235 - 06/29/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i still dont get why you said to pray to Jesus and now say thats incorrect though.

Praying "In Jesus' name" is not the same as praying TO Jesus. When you pray in Jesus name, (1) Jesus has become a Divine Name in a Sheldrakian morphic resonance way, and is a vehicle for transcendental aspects of reality and (2) one assumes the mind of Christ in a vicarious way such that Christ in you, is communing with/praying to God. This is sometimes attributed to the Holy Spirit which does the praying/communing to God AS God, but there is that Trinitarian stuff again. At the same time, if prayer is occurring, and if your intention becomes manifest in reality, then you the human being are co-creating with God. Or again one's psyche becomes aware of the creative process which is occurring everywhere. Your human mind however believes that the petition is its own desire, but perhaps it is God's intention in the first place, and your will has aligned with the divine will for a prayer to become manifested. It is our ego which then thinks "Oh, God has listened to MY prayer and blessed me with MY heart's desire." NO. Your desire was the Intention of God, or in less anthropomorphic terms, you intuitively picked up what was ultimately going to be anyway, but your egoic-mind falsely thinks it made God into a genie or an errand boy.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21874596 - 06/29/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not terribly invested in this sort of thing personally, but I recalled the following and thought it might be constructive to share:


Dan Rather, CBS anchor, once asked Mother Teresa what she said during her prayers.  She answered, "I listen."  So Rather turned the question and asked, "Well, then, what does God say?"  To that Mother Teresa smiled with confidence and answered, "He listens."


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21874704 - 06/29/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not terribly invested in this sort of thing personally, but I recalled the following and thought it might be constructive to share:


Dan Rather, CBS anchor, once asked Mother Teresa what she said during her prayers.  She answered, "I listen."  So Rather turned the question and asked, "Well, then, what does God say?"  To that Mother Teresa smiled with confidence and answered, "He listens."




Remarkable! Thanks for sharing that! :yesnod:


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    #21874777 - 06/29/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My pleasure. :smile:


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21875099 - 06/29/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i still dont get why you said to pray to Jesus and now say thats incorrect though.

Praying "In Jesus' name" is not the same as praying TO Jesus. When you pray in Jesus name, (1) Jesus has become a Divine Name in a Sheldrakian morphic resonance way, and is a vehicle for transcendental aspects of reality and (2) one assumes the mind of Christ in a vicarious way such that Christ in you, is communing with/praying to God. This is sometimes attributed to the Holy Spirit which does the praying/communing to God AS God, but there is that Trinitarian stuff again. At the same time, if prayer is occurring, and if your intention becomes manifest in reality, then you the human being are co-creating with God. Or again one's psyche becomes aware of the creative process which is occurring everywhere. Your human mind however believes that the petition is its own desire, but perhaps it is God's intention in the first place, and your will has aligned with the divine will for a prayer to become manifested. It is our ego which then thinks "Oh, God has listened to MY prayer and blessed me with MY heart's desire." NO. Your desire was the Intention of God, or in less anthropomorphic terms, you intuitively picked up what was ultimately going to be anyway, but your egoic-mind falsely thinks it made God into a genie or an errand boy.




Oh yes, I think I understand this. Many times in prayer I have had the insight that in more energetic terms and less cultural, what is actually happening is some sort of energetic shift is occurring where my body mind is aligning/trying to align itself with the the greater power and this process is manifesting as prayer.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Signeg]
    #21875675 - 06/29/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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By taking up a belief system you could be limiting yourself from the infinite potential of the universe and it's healing powers.  It's important to keep yourself and your mind open.

“Religion is belief in someone else's experience. Spirituality is having your own experience."




Spirituality is the ability to connect with the spiritual realm. And to believe in God whom is a spirit, is to believe that it exist. When reading a book, the best way to understand it it is to be able to connect with the author's spirit; what is the author is really trying say. Like a poem, they are spiritual writing that only can be interpreted spiritually, but not by the physical nature, or else if it is read by the physical nature, the poem will have no meaning, it will be meaningless. When using some type of substances that help you to enhance your perception of the spiritual realm, will only come to you in glimpse of images without no meaning or purpose; but to connect without the help of using natural materials such as drugs or any brain controlled substances, you will see more clearly and able to connect or communicate with the spirits and understand them. What good is it to see the essence, but unable to relate to it? It will be like watching a foreign movie without any sub-titles. Jesus is God that had came in the flesh to the ones that are spiritually dead to help bring them back to awareness.


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21876178 - 06/30/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right on!


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Re: I met Jesus Christ this evening [Re: Deviate]
    #21884419 - 07/01/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You should send this story to Unshackled!


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