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tripN
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My first REAL trip +questions
#21866678 - 06/27/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Six months after being introduced to weed I got the thought if all those people were dead wrong about wonderful and harmless grass what else
So I went down the drug list, my first choice shrooms! Being very careful I started with 1 gram then 2 I got the good feeling in my chest but it went away in two hours an I was not "tripping out" like I wanted to.
The REAL trip
So the next dose was 3.5 grams I gave it two hours to start working, then I did another 2 grams. About ten minutes later I knew I was tripping and it was going to be good.
Turned on the TV the visual was decent, but the sound was very different than normal, long drawn out words, then fast.
Realizing this I put on my favorite music and cranked it up. It was amazing, rifts became face melters, vocals echoed and drums felt like a high heartbeat.
However the visual effects (what I came for) we're not as impressive so I put on a movie, look out the window. Everything was still the same like I was looking through super thick glasses, I couldn't read small print, vision had bad focus but nothing was "movin' man"
These effects lasted for a total of 14 hours! My theory is I took a high dose 5.5 grams and the visual effects just did not happen. I am told every trip is different this could have been a one off.
My second trip (3.5 grams 4 hours) had visual effects, they were about depth, my bong on the table in front of me looked like it was 10 yards away (even though it was about 2 feet) my vision was crystal clear though.
Are my expectations to high? Am I doing something wrong?
I am looking for the opinions of the trippin veterans.
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Cynosure
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: tripN]
#21866936 - 06/28/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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First off, kudos for slowly moving your way up the dosage chain rather than diving in. 
5.5g is quite the dose. I'm not quite sure why you re-dosed an extra 2 grams (mushrooms tend to not re-dose well), but I digress.. your trip AFTER mentions you had visual effects which leads me to this question: How soon after the first two doses did you take this 5.5g dose? If you had taken it too soon, you might have still been stuck in the in-between zone from your first doses (there is surely a refractory period).
My suggestion would be to wait a good amount of time and try another 3.5g dose to see where you stand. If that isn't up to your visual expectations, then wait another good amount of time and aim for a hefty 5g dose (at once). Report back!
It may be as silly as your mental state. You may simply be expecting more visual activity than is happening which is causing you to perceive the true visual hallucinations as nothing. It might be worth a shot to let go of these expectations and simply embrace the experience you're having rather than examining it in detail and being disappointed with the results.
It may also come down to the fact that your mushrooms have aged/expired or are no longer as potent as they should be. Try a couple of batches, fresher? better dried?, before moving on to the extreme detailed below.
I've seen/heard/read accounts of people not experiencing many visuals on mushrooms, though it is rare. A solid 3.5g dosage will change the world for me (and the majority of people I've come across) and 5g is, quite literally, stepping out of boundaries of my visual hallucinations. I'll continue by saying that there is much more to the experience than visuals.. but, if you've done the above to no avail there is always the option of taking a MAOI prior to dosing your mushrooms.
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tripN
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: Cynosure]
#21868653 - 06/28/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My first two doses 1g then 2g were a week apart, the third dose 3.5+2g was three weeks after that. The first real trip made me really tired so I gave it six weeks for the 3.5g that was my second real trip and the visuals were better with the lower dose.
I learned a lesson on the 3.5+2g, take your doses and that's it there's always a next time to bump it up
As for the shrooms I got them from a friend I didn't know much about them other than he uses them and there safe. This variable will be removed now that I'm growing my own and the first batch will be big enough for me to step it up 1g at a time
As for my next trip I will go in with no expectations and just see what happens. So far I like the experience, also I will take a hard look at set and setting.
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: tripN] 1
#21874719 - 06/29/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the next dose was 3.5 grams I gave it two hours to start working, then I did another 2 grams. About ten minutes later I knew I was tripping and it was going to be good.
If you didn't feel like you were really tripping off the initial 3.5g, then I'd guess the shrooms are not very potent. Re-dosing after 2 hours does work (90 minutes is better, 60 if you can't feel anything happening at all) but the trip will have less "oomph" than if you eat it all in one go.
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My theory is I took a high dose 5.5 grams and the visual effects just did not happen.
A 5g trip, even with the dose split across a 2 hour gap, should be pretty strong. Just forgetting about the visuals, what was happening to your thought processes? A strong trip will see your thoughts speed up, become more disconnected and random, you should start feeling really weird and increasingly disconnected from reality. The strength of the visuals usually increases with the level of insanity of the trip; don't expect to feel normal and get strong visuals.
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Are my expectations to high?
Shroom open-eye visuals can be quite subtle. Typically I will start to feel my eyes de-focusing slightly, as though they are hunting for 3D-depth within the surface of the walls. Objects and surfaces start to take on slightly altered coloring, or glow slightly, lights seem brighter. There can be a sensation of movement at the edge of my vision, as though shadows are moving around me. The real "I'm tripping" marker is when I get 'word-soup' forming in the carpet or certain types of textured surface - a kind of indistinct alphabet-soup of vague letters or glyphs that seem to float within the surface of the floor, bedlinen e.t.c
Those might be all I would see on a low to moderate dose.
When I'm tripping strongly, the walls are glowing in a different color (usually greenish or yellow), things on the wall seem to float slightly away from it, spaces in the room seem to change size, sometimes the room feels like its rotating or objects in it are moving about. On higher doses I sometimes get a kind of spillover where things that I would expect to see in my closed-eye-visuals are visible at the sides of my vision - dancing women, stylized vegetation, whirling movement. I don't very often get spectacular displays of fractal rainbows or anything like that, but sometimes the ceiling will move like some kind of weather system, and to be honest if you are tripping hard you can miss a lot of the visuals because you are lost deep inside your mind in a kind of trance...
Some of these effects are more subtle than they sound, because they happen at the edges of my vision, or if I look directly at them they disappear....it can be quite weird because if you consciously look around the room it suddenly looks normal again. The word-soup, the slight glow and altered colors seem to be the most persistent open-eye shroom visuals for me. These are the effects I get indoors, in the evening with the lights slightly low (preferably lamps).
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Am I doing something wrong?
One thing you might be forgetting is to look for closed-eye-visuals. These will be stronger and should become quite noticeable even if the dose isn't strong enough for good OEV. It's like having a super-high-definition lightshow on the back of your eyelids. Close your eyes and see!
Another thing - you aren't on any meds that would dampen the effects? That's the only other thing I can think of. See what happens when you get your first batch of shrooms ready to eat, then you can start to experiment to find the kind of dose that gives good visuals.
A word of warning though - don't get impatient and start ramping up the dose carelessly to get better visuals - I've done this myself and ended up in nightmare trips that were way too intense. The tone of the trip can shift very quickly from "I would like some nice visuals" to "I would like to survive this". Although it's fair to say that this kind of I-took-too-much-man "bad trip" usually has good visuals 
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tripN
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: Aldebaran]
#21875032 - 06/29/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My thoughts were fast making 5 minutes seem like an hour then they would slow down making time feel fast. I don't take any prescription drugs that would effect my trip. Right now I think the biggest variables are my shrooms and time between dose. I'll make my own shrooms and when there done I will have had plenty of time to space out the trips.
I think I'll start with 3g or 3.5g to get a feel for the shrooms I'm growing.
They should have standard amounts of hallucinogens so I don't want to be risky starting with 5g
Baby steps.
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: tripN]
#21882373 - 07/01/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great thread bud. And awesome advice given too. That's why I love this site.
It's all a learning experience bud which is what I'm going through. And this is the best place to learn.
Hope your next trip is a fun and safe one.
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: tripN]
#21882538 - 07/01/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everyone has different brain chemistry, so with this in mind it is hard to give advice based off of our own experiences. For me, I have always seemed to get more visuals than others, Especially when my eyes are closed. I commonly see a vast array of colors, shapes, fractals, and strange patterns that I can hardly describe with words. However, it's not like these things overtake my visual field completely, it is usually of a lighter complexion than something like a DMT trip. If you want pure clean visuals, smoke some DMT. However, I would also recommend that you continue experimenting with Shrooms until you feel you are ready to move up to something stronger, which would be the DMT I mentioned.
On another note, whenever Im shrooming and feeling like i need a boost, A good hit or two (maybe more) of some cannabis usually gets me going. When I smoke on a trip it always increases my visuals, and the overall intensity of the trip so this could also be an option. There are other combos out there but I wouldn't recommend them personally so you can do the research if you are interested.
It sounds like you either have a high tolerance to the substance, or your shrooms arent very potent. There could be many other factors involved as well. here is some other advice, from my personal experience
1) take atleast 1-2 months between trips for maximum effect
2) make sure you have fun things to do on your trip [set and setting always influence the direction, duration, and effects of a trip]
3) try clearing your mind before you go into the experience. Load your brain with useful information. Try meditation, it's always worked for me as a preparation. Try not to eat much the day or the days leading up to the trip, this can help minimize interference
4)Another option to increase the effects, but shorten the duration is a tea tek. Adding lemon juice or soaking them in lemon juice and then consuming both the juice and the material can have a profound difference. Powdering shrooms before ingestion causes them to be absorbed into your system faster, with a slightly shorter duration. If your after sheer potency this is the way to do it.
5) Never tried this before, as i haven't wanted or needed it but you could eat some syrian rue before your trip as well. this is called a Monoamine oxidase inhibitor, You can read more about this on the site or somewhere else but it is known to roughly double the effects. This is a slightly more experimental route and is known to have some problems.. make sure you do some research so that you know the dangers of this option if it is what you choose.
All of these suggestions should help you get more out of the experience. Keep trying, don't give up. Like i said you can always move on to DMT if your looking for extreme visuals.. Good luck!
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tripN
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Re: My first REAL trip +questions [Re: Purplecapz]
#21882802 - 07/01/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have seen a lot of posts mentioning DMT witch Leeds me to these questions, how safe are these drugs my mentors (from the 50s 60s and 70s drug era, that's why I'm into psychedelics) say that anything except shrooms are dangerous because they are often PCP that a dealer will call LSD or whatever your asking for.
These are the ones I want to try as long as I know there safe.
LSD-25 (the legend)
Mescaline (I here it's a downer)
Peyote
Ecstasy (not a psychedelic but it's on my bucket list)
As for those I want to learn more about
DMT? Doesn't sound really safe
Salvia? Again I here it's a downer
My biggest problem is I have no idea how to get them and how to tell if there real and safe.
The last part is the most important safety first!
I'm am a complete novice in the drug world.
-------------------- Keep calm and trip on
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