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LSA is a joke.. BUT
    #21866027 - 06/27/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

people are wrong about it completely. I think it works on everyone differently, having its own unique psychedelic pattern for each human's mind. Unless people are lying about their good experiences of course. All these seeds made me feel like is super sedated but I think it just increased the THC effects. It really is its own drug.. like Datura expect not so poisoning. Morning GLORY= Poisoned Bliss HWBR= Death Bliss.


Still, compared to a tab of acid.. 300 is nothing even if chewed up. to be able to even come CLOSE TO A TAB... you would most likely need to have about 550-800 CHEWED.

As of now I think that the people who took MGS never took acid and are just not wanting to be seen as psychedelic noobs only eating poisonous seeds. Of course if I took 500-700 chewed then I'd most likely be melting into my mattress. This is a completely UNBIASED post because I'm Neutral.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866142 - 06/27/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still laughing at people who have said LSA blew their LSD outta the water. There is a reason why one Throne exists.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866145 - 06/27/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

While I was in college, I told my friends how cool it would be to take some "trippy seeds" (HBWR) and said it would be similar to being super stoned but with visuals. One of my friends had experience with tabs and shrooms, so he knew what to expect. My other friend, was a noobie to drugs in general. He was aprehensive but decided to give it a try.

We put the crushed up seeds(5 each) in slices of pizza and chowed them down. Within thirty minutes, I felt instantaneously nauseous and ran to the bathroom and puked my brains out. When I was done with that, the seeds began taking effect and I felt euphoric and sedated. I went to check on my other two friends. One of them was staring at the wall listening to music and the other one had ran to the other bathroom in the dorms and was hunched over the toilet puking. He stayed there for three hours like that. It was horrible and i felt guilty for suggesting to take these seeds.

When he finally came out, he called his mom and told her he was coming home. And just like that, he dropped out of college and decided to go to a trade school and become an electrician. He told us the terrible trip made him realize that he didn't belong in college and that he was wasting his time. He only visited on occasion and all my other friends blamed me for giving him the seeds. I eventually transferred out the next semester and went to a local school.

Long story short, these seeds are extremely unpredictable and will always cause terrible nausea which leads to horrible trips. Not worth the 5 hours of giggling/strange euphoria it gives you. I'll just stick with mushrooms/weed. Don't make the same mistake I did, it could ruin friendships.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866152 - 06/27/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

HBWR has decent euphoria. No other real effects, though.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21866179 - 06/27/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Eh, I tasted the grossness of your post just now. Anyway, yeah.. time to move back to God (LSD). God= LSD, Devil= LSA. I mean, your devil could be your God so whatever.. it's all in one's mind. This is why my friends will not be touching these seeds though, *trashes*. I rather walk a little longer for God (LSD).


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866285 - 06/27/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh god they are horrible.. pls never take them.. trust me.. it's no good for you...  :smile:


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866324 - 06/27/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I bought 500 hbwr seeds when 4 or 5 would have you tripping for 8+ hours. It's been maybe 12 years now. LSA is an incredible drug, should be respected by all others. Weed helped me a lot with the nausea. I got so far out there on a high dose and my friend was driving and the world turned into a sonic the hedgehog level.

So much fun, but now at my age and health I doubt I could handle the vasoconstriction with my pain.

You took a ton. No wonder you threw up. HBWR is like cactus juice.. the more you can hold onto the longest the better experience you'll have.

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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Adden]
    #21866356 - 06/27/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I bought 500 hbwr seeds when 4 or 5 would have you tripping for 8+ hours. It's been maybe 12 years now. LSA is an incredible drug, should be respected by all others. Weed helped me a lot with the nausea. I got so far out there on a high dose and my friend was driving and the world turned into a sonic the hedgehog level.

So much fun, but now at my age and health I doubt I could handle the vasoconstriction with my pain.

You took a ton. No wonder you threw up. HBWR is like cactus juice.. the more you can hold onto the longest the better experience you'll have.

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Thanks for the info and experience mention. Yeah, I planted a good amount for first time. It definitely must be respected lol


Mastodon sounds incredible on such natural Goddess... LSA is now the Goddess with a bitchy side.. of course


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866451 - 06/27/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you're eating the store bought seeds that are covered in a toxin you're fucking retarded.

Seeds aren't toxic, they're sprayed with toxic shit to keep hare-lipped mouth breathers from eating them.

Same reason poppy seeds are washed homeboy. There's nothing toxic about those seeds.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866458 - 06/27/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I messed with HBWR a couple times. It was interesting. Not quite what I was hoping it to be but definitely interesting. LSD is definitely better and definitely more trippy.

I need to take some acid soon, I've been sitting on some waiting for the perfect time. Summer is coming and I'm going back to part-time hours at work, so maybe I'll actually get the chance soon. It's been almost a year now. Unacceptable.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21866475 - 06/27/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LSA was my first psych. it was 9 grams of morning glory seeds, sold as 400

had a great time. was just alone in my room, listening to music and talking to buddies on ventrilo

all i did was wash em off, lightly grind them with a coffee grinder, and mixed them in ice cream. was fucking delicious.

no nausea, but wasnt an intense trip. was perfect for my first time though


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21866489 - 06/27/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my LSA experiences were very dreamy, euphoric. Deleriant like but happy. a couple times the negative side effects over powered it. Im not sure if id try it again but ive had some very memorable and remarkable experiences with LSA just be prepared.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866598 - 06/27/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LSA can provide an intense psychedelic experience; though, it's certainly not the same as LSD (I'm unsure why that isn't obvious enough for you from the acronyms alone).  I've always thought of LSA as LSD's thoughtful, organic, and dark cousin.

There are a handful of sources of LSA--each of which contains a unique combination of other alkaloids.  The fact that these alkaloids are packed into seeds means that the potency and levels of each alkaloid is variant (hence, why one should always take safety into consideration when consuming seeds of this nature) from seed-to-seed and from plant-to-plant.

There also exists numerous ways to prepare each type of seed (in my opinion, simply chewing them is the least effective and tends to result in the sedative high that you've mentioned with both HBMG and HBWR seeds).

On top of the above, it's likely that you absorb the majority of your LSD sublingually..but while consuming seeds (unless you've made a concentrated tincture specifically for sublingual absorption or are chewing HBWR seeds for quite some time) the majority is likely being absorbed in the gut and beyond.

Vasoconstriction seems to be the worst this substance has to offer, in my opinion, and at times it can be worrying.  I advise caution in dosing as there's no doubt overdosing could result in permanent damage or death.

Educate yourself a bit, dose safely, and see if you can't unlock the wondrous experience that LSA has to offer.  I've had multiple experiences with LSA over the years, though I only documented my first here, and have never doubted its psychedelic capabilities.  Even my laziest, most unprepared, and chewed HBWR experiences left me with open-eye visuals, pattern melding, trains of psychedelic thought, etc. despite making me feel lethargic and weird.



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Seeds aren't toxic, they're sprayed with toxic shit to keep hare-lipped mouth breathers from eating them.




^ This statement is completely false.  HBMG and HBWR seeds, as well as many other seeds, are surely toxic.  I truly hope that no readers have taken this misinformation to heart.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Cynosure]
    #21866622 - 06/27/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I found them similar to mescaline(mgs), but I did an extraction.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Cynosure]
    #21866646 - 06/27/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Seeds aren't toxic, they're sprayed with toxic shit to keep hare-lipped mouth breathers from eating them.




^ This statement is completely false.  HBMG and HBWR seeds, as well as many other seeds, are surely toxic.  I truly hope that no readers have taken this misinformation to heart.




Let's see some sources on that homebreh. Some seeds are toxic, so by including "as well as many other seeds" that wasn't necessary, it's clearly I wasn't talking about eating enough plum stones to get cyanide poisoning.

HWBWR and MG seeds are toxic to dogs and cats, maybe other pets as well.

But toxic to humans? I'm gonna need a source on that one bub.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21866654 - 06/27/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For HBWR the nausea is mostly dealt with by scraping off the fuzz. The fuzz doesn't get you high, it just makes you feel like shit. It still gave me kind of a stomach ache but it was nothing unbearable, weed helped a lot.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21866667 - 06/27/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can hallucinate just from handling morning glories because there's LSA in the sap of the plant, so handle enough of it, or a large enough plant, and there's a good chance you're going to trip.

and if you look up "Morning Glory Poisoning" They're just describing an accidental trip, usually transdermal. Psilocybe mushrooms cause nausea in a lot of folks, but they aren't toxic.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21866671 - 06/27/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I guess it depends on what you consider "toxic" :shrug: a hallucinatory experience would be described by most people as a toxic effect but here at the shroomery, we think it's just great.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21866722 - 06/27/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I once at 12 hbwr seeds witch I guess is an extreme dose.
Anyways I had a very light trip but it was totally un-enjoyable because it gave me Hella stomach cramps no nausea just Hella cramps. I wonder if that's how a woman must feel during birth?? It's been a year since and I still have 2 dosages left aside I'm not sure if I should consume them or not.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: aler]
    #21866754 - 06/27/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeh, I got cramps from it too :shrug: I think it's unavoidable. I get nausea from shrooms but that's different, it feels a lot more stress-dependent, i.e. it's less likely that I'll get nauseous if I'm having a good trip. With LSA it was just straight-up my stomach complaining about its contents.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21866852 - 06/28/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How are you guys consuming them? How many times did you try before deciding something like "LSA is a joke"?

Most of the goodies in these seeds are water soluble, it is a pretty simple task to concentrate them and remove the plant matter.

Which minimizes the nausea and other unwanted effects, and allows for one to eat more and go deeper with it.

There is a reason natives in Mexico worshiped these plants.

Think of it like this, very unclean LSD can have pretty unpleasant side effects.

When chewing straight seeds you are getting much more than just one lysergamide, or even just several.

If you take very clean L it will give off a clean experience, same is true with natural lysergamides. If you eat them plain or impure extracts it is going to be less clean. If you take the time to make a well made clean extract it will give off a much cleaner effect than eating the straight seeds :shrug: it is pretty simple stuff, you shouldn't eat the seeds expecting some clean LSD like experience. You should put the time and effort in to find how they work for you best and try to get more into them.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: musiclover420]
    #21866873 - 06/28/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I once did an extraction with ever clear. I should have waited for the ever clear to evaporate, but instead I just drank it. Not the best call I've ever made.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21866884 - 06/28/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that sounds pretty unpleasant. I hate alcohol though, at least for consumption.

Also since LSA is water soluble there is no need for solvents, even though alcohol is my preferred "foodsafe" solvent.

If you were to soak a very large amount of seeds in some hard A you could make a strong tincture potentially that would not require much alcohol consumption for effects.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21866902 - 06/28/15 01:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I thought I was going to die the first (and last) time I ate morning glory seeds. I laid in the bathroom floor for like 4 hours, nauseous as hell, with fish eyes, and a tore up throat from regurgitating those seeds. I was in my grandparents home too, since this was back during college, and I lived with them during the summer. :facepalm: Good times though.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: musiclover420]
    #21866916 - 06/28/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I chewed 'em up, and washed them down with Mountain Dew. :lol: That, along with the mac&cheese from a good 8 hours earlier, was delicious on the way back up. I was vomiting so violently that I could literally feel food from 8 hours earlier being squeezed back up from my small intestines. It was seriously the worst vomiting session of my life, and that is saying a lot!
Despite all of the aforementioned negatives, I would not take it back. I learned a lot that night.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: greencrush420]
    #21866927 - 06/28/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have yet to experiment with MG, I have had some pretty cool albeit pretty mil experiences on HBWR though.

Have yet to experience much if any side effects though I have only tried them a handful of times. Once with rue even and I went to a new years concert with 3 friends. We all ate the same stuff and we all had a great night with minimal if not no nausea present. After the show we rode our bikes back to my house nd even though it was night out and very dark everything was lit up. It was kind of eerie, I could see through the dark perfectly. Was pretty cool honestly.

I have had lots of beautiful floral/ vine patterns across my open and closed eye visuals from relatively small HWBR doses.

Goes wonderfully with meditation, I have a great memory of watching myself meditate with my eyes closed while sitting on a log in my backyard.

Another time a friend suggested we just gum some of this amber semi crystalline powder that formed after evaporating some HBWR soaked water that was left overnight in the cool dark. I was kind of hesitant but said fuck it. Anyways we both got pretty damn high, and it was pretty L like. I honestly was a bit too high. We were watching nature docs and anything I looked at would bleed out into my peripheral vision. For instance we watched the Planet Earth caves dvd which is amazing btw, and after looking at it for a bit I would get up or look away and my whole house had cave like features morphing around.

We had a box of whippits too but I couldn't even do them as I was already super out of it. I would hit one and immediately the visual bleeding would get out of hand and everything would start morphing together which was cool but I was not expecting anything nearly that intense. To be fare we had eaten some other psychs earlier on in the day but neither did much for us so we went all out on the LSA :shrug:


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: musiclover420]
    #21867007 - 06/28/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's definitely not a joke, phew.. it's an amazing time no matter how much nausea/cramp there is.. cannabis is what kicks it in..


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21867050 - 06/28/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I once did an extraction with ever clear. I should have waited for the ever clear to evaporate, but instead I just drank it. Not the best call I've ever made.



I actually did the exact same thing with HBWR. It was okay. Hard to tell apart the effects I got from being shitfaced drunk versus the HBWR though.

Anyone else feel kinda like their brain is burned/burning the day after HBWR?


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: nooneman]
    #21867055 - 06/28/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I had a roaring hangover, believe it.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21867061 - 06/28/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

since this LSA thread has more traffic than the other i thought i'd repost myself in here

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as far as HBWR seeds go,

the wiki page has been beefed up a bit on the full range of ergoline amines in the seeds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyreia_nervosa#Ergolines


Isoergine 0.188%
Ergine 0.136%
Ergometrine 0.049%
Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide 0.035%
Isolysergic acid hydroxyethylamide 0.024%
Elymoclavine 0.022%
Ergometrinine 0.011%
Chanoclavine 0.016%


Ergoline alkaloids of unknown percentage:

Agroclavine
Chanoclavine II
Festuclavine
Lysergene
Lysergol
Isolysergol
Setoclavine
Isosetoclavine




as well as other alkaloids


so you're not JUST consuming LSA when you take HBWR seeds., as far as morning glory seeds go, i haven't done the 5 minutes of research.

but with HBWR, you're taking a variety of alkaloids all at once, alot of which induce vasconstriction which is primarily responsible for the stomach discomfort and such. not to mention the possible serotonic reactions in the digestive system.


completing an extraction with out proper lab gear will give you a mixed range of alkaloid spectrum. not necessarily just LSA, and besides with out a spectrometer you wouldn't know anyways.


combined with other drugs, or just whatever may or may not be in your system at the time , these could yeid bad reactions.




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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Salomon]
    #21867065 - 06/28/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ah yeah, I've read that the LSA is not actually responsible for the trippy effects. LSA is merely sedative in isolated form. I don't usually bother to correct people though.


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Re: LSA is a joke.. BUT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21867077 - 06/28/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i feel at least online, it should be done, i don't usually just whip this info out in person when some one brings up the topic lol

basically :themoreyouknow:


who knows, if more people know about the diversity of alkaloids in plants, maybe more people will experiment with them to make new compounds, or at least dispel misinformation in their lives


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