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Offlinehiperhiper
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My first steps
    #21865484 - 06/27/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hi guys, I'm just getting started and I would like to ask some questions and get feedback if possible!

Because I live in a such small apartment (almost a studio) I've decided to make a glovebox fruiting chamber. I'm not sure if the fruiting chamber / terrarium was supposed to be a different container and separated from the glovebox / incubator. My plan is to do everything in one container.

Question 1 : is this ok?

This is what I ended up doing today:








The problem: I think I've used the wrong tools to make the holes for the PVC pipe (a small jigsaw and a knife) or I'm not sure if that happens due to the material being very thin (it's not the usual big containers that I've seen on shoomery).










Because of that I've got some cracks around the pvcs, which I believe I need to fix with some sort of strong glue, or throw away and do it again.


Question2: Did I use the wrong tools? which is the correct tool to do this job? how do I avoid the cracks ?

Question 3: how do I fix these cracks?

Question 4: Is this container size ok?

Question 5: Will I still need a vaporizer to maintain humidity? what is the most compact one?

Question 6: Can I use these PVC holes for the gas exchange by putting filters?

Question 7: Do I still need to put some sort of plastic around the PVC so when I put my arm with the gloves is tight sealed? I was not planning to attach the gloves on the inside to the PVC


Jars:


Question 8: Are these jars on the correct format? will I have issues to get the cakes out of the container because the middle and bottom part are fat and the neck is thin?

Thanks a lot!!


Edited by hiperhiper (06/27/15 06:44 PM)


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21865528 - 06/27/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

read more

Try a shotgun fruiting chamber

Jar won't work for cakes


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Re: My first steps [Re: Fog1]
    #21865548 - 06/27/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have space for two containers?
What problems will I face?


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21865612 - 06/27/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Question 1: I would get a separate container to build a proper SGFC if you plan on doing the PF tek. I recommend going to bulk and working with grains, it's really not hard at all. You just gotta read teks on every stage of the process. The yield from bulk substrates is worth it IMO. This is the first tek I used on getting started with bulk, it's extremely helpful, and has pics that guide you along the way https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/

Question 2: You can heat the bottom of a soup can on the stove and use that to burn a hole into the plastic. It should be large enough to get your hands in there. There ya go, a basic SAB.

Question 3: If there are any cracks from cutting with tools, just tape over them, it should be fine either way.

Question 4: The size is okay, but not ideal. I recommend using a larger tote with more horizontal space to place multiple jars without feeling too cramped, while working inside.

Question 5: I'm unsure of why you would need a vaporizer. If you plan on using bulk
substrates, the humidity is maintained by the container the substrate is colonizing in. Just cut out 4 holes on the bottom and two on top stuffed with polyfill to get some gas exchange. There are many teks that explain this in detail. Just gotta search.

Question 6: Those holes are way to big if you plan on doing bulk, I would just get another container and make smaller ones using a small tomato paste can, a hole saw, etc.

Question 7: Those jars are perfect if you plan on using grains, but it is a bad choice if using the PF tek. It would take forever to colonize that jar completely. You have to use 1/2 pint wide mouth jars for cakes. :smile:


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21865668 - 06/27/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Welcome and best of luck with this wonderful hobby :smile:

Seriously, throw something out if you really can't fit another container in. There's no reason you can't store one atop the other.
The fruiting chamber is not the same container as the glovebox. Don't worry about an incubator. I just put my jars wherever. Incubators are more trouble than they are worth IMO.

1) Doesn't look too bad to me. But I really can't get an idea of size tbh (maybe thats just me. I'm pretty upfucked on dilaudid right now). Can you get your arms through the holes and manipulate your hands ok? Is there height to have an extended syringe above a jar, inoculation position?

2) Either be really slow and gentle with the cutting or use a red hot tool to make your holes. Outside. Nasty fumes.

3) Use some silicone to seal up your cracks, or don't worry. A still-air box needn't be totally airtight. The idea is to avoid air currents etc.

4) From the POV of this as a glovebox, I discussed this above. For a fruiting chamber, I need to know your plans. Search shotgun fruiting chamber for FC advice.

5) No, SGFC eliminates the need (shot gun fruiting chamber)

6) Don't use it as an FC.

7) No. still air is enough, a perfect seal isn't necessary.

8) No good for cakes, they would work for grain although a bit small. I suppose you could do one of the crumble/case teks with cakes with them, but I seriously suggest the straight sided 1/2 pints. Widemouth are best but I've always used the narrow ones in the past cause I only just found widemouths around here. They are harder to get out of the narrows but no big deal.


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21865772 - 06/27/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You built a glove box/SAB. 

SABs are meant to keep the air still so you don't have unwanted mold spores and etc. floating around and landing in your work area.  This helps when it comes to innoculating grain jars, grain to grain transfers, and agar work, etc.  SABs are NOT fruiting chambers and will not work as a fruiting chamber.  Sorry, you built the wrong thing.  But if you continue this hobby it will most definitely be useful later.  I'd say fix the cracks with some kind of glue suitable for that purpose and store it somewhere until you need it.

You need to build a SGFC.  You do not need an incubation tub/chamber.  Cubes will colonize just fine on a shelf with ambient light at room temps.  If you can't store the SAB then I guess toss it.  If you want to fruit cakes you need to build a fruiting chamber. The SAB is no help.

Like Fog1 said, BRF will not slide out of those jars when colonized.  You need wide-mouth, short, half-pound jars.  The opening should be just as wide as the rest of the jar.

You don't need any kind of vaporizer or humidifier, not even a hydrometer if you build an SGFC. Also no filters involved with an SGFC.

Again, like Fog1 said, you really should do a lot more research to have a successful grow.

Check out:

•PF Tek
•SAB Tek
•How to Build an SGFC

Once you feel you have a good idea of the PF Tek and how to build an SGFC then give it a go.

Did I miss anything?

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Re: My first steps [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #21867043 - 06/28/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the help guys!

I will buy another container for the fruiting chamber. I think I can stack on my closed on top of the glovebox.

So about this FC.  so I'm still confused whether or not use the cake or bulk method. All I want to is to do something more automated, so I don't need to vent manually the casing. I also want to avoid being messy, like having water or perlite leaking out of the case.

Money is not a problem for me, all I want is doing things that are clean, compact and automated. Why the shotgun doesn't need filters?


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21867561 - 06/28/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The bulk method is less messy IMO. Just knock up some grain jars with spore solution, let it colonize, then when it's 100% mix it with coco coir/vermiculite in your tub of choice. You can partially sterilize coir via the bucket tek, I've had low contamination issues with this method. Once everything is mixed, let the tub colonize, then after 10 days, introduce it into fruiting conditions, stuff holes with polyfill, and let it sit. That's a simple rundown on the process.

The PF tek requires drilling hundreds of holes in a large plastic tote and soaking a large amount of perlite, which gets messy as the water is dripping all over the floor from the holes in the bottom. Then the cakes have to be misted/fanned at least 3 times a day to ensure healthy pins. Definitely a more stressful route to take IME.

Monotubs are virtually set and forget, the PF tek requires daily maintenance(not to mention smaller yields :shrug:)


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Re: My first steps [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21867773 - 06/28/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Crumbling cakes in a mini mono will require less maintenance but it takes a little longer

I used a sterilite file box and it yielded great

No misting and fanning required

Search pastywhites mini mono tek for instructions

Good luck


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Edited by Fog1 (06/28/15 10:32 AM)


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Re: My first steps [Re: Fog1]
    #21867794 - 06/28/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck PF tek.

Make a monotub
Take your colonized cakes, grate them with a cheese grater and spawn to Coir/Verm.

Cakes aren't that bad but fruiting them is a bitch. It'll also prepare you for the next upgrades you should be making.


Nice box though, go for a Still Air Box (SAB) instead of a glovebox though.


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Re: My first steps [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21868580 - 06/28/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You could use gasket silicone to seal that gap/split in the box you made there, that's what I would do :thumbup:


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Re: My first steps [Re: Lucky]
    #21895176 - 07/04/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, I've followed your advice and I threw away the small stab box.

Here's what I built:

I looks ghetto because I should have purchased transparent silicone and white PVC (I do care about looks a lot). But it should be fine. I made a mistake by trying to use the knife again and I broke some of it, I fixed by using superglue and then putting silicone .What really helped me was the metal can, I heated on the oven and used to melt the holes for the PVC. I should have tried to look for a larger can which would make my life easier.




I still have some questions if you don't mind:

A-If I use the bulk / grain method with wheat, are these mason jars too small? (I see people using larger jars). My pressure cooker is small, but I would buy something larger is it's a necessity to make the colonization work.

B-Can I combine 2 grains? example wheat and bran? are these good? I went to so many food stores and I couldn't find the whole rye berries.





C-do I combine the grains with vermiculite into the jar to sterilize?

D- how to avoid explosion in the pressure cooker? someone said to leave the jars with the lids are little losen

Sory for so many questions, I've been reading a lot of posts, but it's so confusing because everybody is doing in different ways

Thanks again!!


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21895807 - 07/04/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A. its not nesasary to have bigger jars it'll still colonize
B. you can use any whole grain as long as its prepped properly(isn't  bran from inside the hull?)
C. grains don't need verm check out RR's video has great tips on grain prep
D. lids tight it wont explode in the pc the reason is upon cooling your
jar will suck in air, so you want that air to go thru your filter to ensure no contams get in. what are you using for jar lids/filters?

Good Luck!!:thumbup:


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Re: My first steps [Re: tetherface]
    #21896052 - 07/04/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm using this guy here:

Jars:


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Re: My first steps [Re: hiperhiper]
    #21896069 - 07/04/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How do I know if it's bran from inside the hull ? (grain).
I've never seen these plants /grains at a farm






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