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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: aler] 1
#22073721 - 08/10/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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aler said: Yeah it is, and it's time for a change. When you treat these people that are doing nothing wrong like criminals then what's that supposed to teach them? Police are here to protect and serve and stoners that are able to function in society like everyone else need to be protected as well not constantly harassed and thrown in jail, then they lose their job and most have to turn to crime to support themselves because of the consequences of jail, I lost my job when I was thrown in jail and now I'm back with my parents it's all bullshit.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: luvdemboomers]
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Why don't you just say you've been sober? Marijuana will be legal soon enough and then the government will have even more control over everyone.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: occollegeboi]
#22074474 - 08/10/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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good idea bra but he is making a point for the rest of us, true stupid as hell but obviously there is no helping that.
i wonder if he actually was dumb enough to go through with his idea?
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: aler] 1
#22074562 - 08/11/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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aler said: ... I will for sure update you guys on what happens. My next review is aug 8 so if I don't post that's day then you'll know I'm in jail. I plan on making this bigger than just a one man army I'm trying to get as many people as possible. It's time.
Today's date: Aug 11
Not looking good. My advice would have been to get out of the clutches of Johnny Law and then become a political activists. maybe he can rally the prison population for the right to brew toilet hooch without the goddang screws coming in and throwing him in the hole solidarity brother
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22074587 - 08/11/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with what the op is trying to do, nor is it stupid; as long as u are aware of the consequences or even expecting them to occur.
What the op is doing is brave and I commend him.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: zZZz]
#22074611 - 08/11/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not even clear on exactly what he was planning to say, or what sorts of things he was encouraging others to say. If you can't say something that helps you in court, what you do is say nothing. This all just seems poorly conceived, disorganized, and doomed to fail.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: zZZz]
#22074613 - 08/11/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Knowing the consequences is what makes it stupid. This isn't how you change things. This is MORE detrimental to the cause than it is helpful. WTF is this going to do aside from reinforce the court's idea that addicts will say whatever they have to, to justify their usage and they need to be protected from themselves? Or that drug users are just criminals who think they live outside the law and can do whatever they feel like doing.
Court/probation is not the place to grandstand about acceptance and legalization. Alcohol is legal, but it's usually something else you're not allowed to do while on probation. You aren't making any point by violating your probation just because you think it's fucked up, other than you're a criminal/fuck up who has no respect for law. That is LITERALLY the only thing a judge is going to see it as.
Everyone knows the rules of their probation, they accept those rules when they accept the probation. If you can't follow those rules, don't get the fucking probation. You're only shooting yourself in the foot. You can either follow the rules of your probation and live outside of a cell, or you can be put in jail where you have no choice but to obey the rules.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22074616 - 08/11/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said:I'm not even clear on exactly what he was planning to say, or what sorts of things he was encouraging others to say. If you can't say something that helps you in court, what you do is say nothing. This all just seems poorly conceived, disorganized, and doomed to fail.
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I wanted to take a stand at my next probation review and tell the judge that there's nothing wrong with self medicating and that in the end as a judge, it's his job to settle the difference between right and wrong and not what the law says because the law is not always right.
Doesn't really matter what wording he planned to use, the general idea is laid out in the OP. As far as the judge's interpretation of what he says regardless of how he words it is: He's going to say there is nothing wrong with smoking weed and then tell the judge what his job is. Both are a completely idiotic thing to do.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#22074802 - 08/11/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet OP is going to show back up after he gets out of jail, and then he's going to claim that he totally wasn't in jail during that time.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: nooneman] 6
#22074806 - 08/11/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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" sorry I haven't been on guys. When I told the judge I wouldnt stop dosing myself he told me that he was so impressed with my courage and determination that he sent me on a free cruise to Mexico for a month "
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: yogabunny]
#22075088 - 08/11/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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aler said: Yeah it is, and it's time for a change. When you treat these people that are doing nothing wrong like criminals then what's that supposed to teach them? Police are here to protect and serve and stoners that are able to function in society like everyone else need to be protected as well not constantly harassed and thrown in jail, then they lose their job and most have to turn to crime to support themselves because of the consequences of jail, I lost my job when I was thrown in jail and now I'm back with my parents it's all bullshit.

Nailed it.
I kinda feel for OP, but he should've realized he was in no position to "make a stand". It's one thing to flout stupid or unfair laws, but anyone can tell you this is best done conspicuously.
I wonder how long he's in for.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#22075101 - 08/11/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No that judge totally legalized pot across the entire globe a few days ago.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: healing]
#22075159 - 08/11/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seriously though, they make fake pee for people in this situation or he could have at least made some bullshit excuse for testing positive like he didn't know that brownie was special or something. But nooo he's just gotta go back to prison
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: zZZz]
#22075200 - 08/11/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Nothing wrong with what the op is trying to do, nor is it stupid; as long as u are aware of the consequences or even expecting them to occur.
What the op is doing is brave and I commend him.
I have dabbled in drug policy reform activism, and I am here to tell you this is 100% a stupid form of "activism" that will have no effect whatsoever on changing the laws in his state.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: yogabunny] 1
#22075204 - 08/11/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Nothing wrong with what the op is trying to do, nor is it stupid; as long as u are aware of the consequences or even expecting them to occur.
What the op is doing is brave and I commend him.
I have dabbled in drug policy reform activism, and I am here to tell you this is 100% a stupid form of "activism" that will have no effect whatsoever on changing the laws in his state.
Thank you Mr. Convicted Criminal, your well thought out speech convinced me that pot should be legalized. I will now wave my magic gavel and it will be so.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22076602 - 08/11/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Knowing the consequences is what makes it stupid. This isn't how you change things. This is MORE detrimental to the cause than it is helpful. WTF is this going to do aside from reinforce the court's idea that addicts will say whatever they have to, to justify their usage and they need to be protected from themselves? Or that drug users are just criminals who think they live outside the law and can do whatever they feel like doing.
Court/probation is not the place to grandstand about acceptance and legalization. Alcohol is legal, but it's usually something else you're not allowed to do while on probation. You aren't making any point by violating your probation just because you think it's fucked up, other than you're a criminal/fuck up who has no respect for law. That is LITERALLY the only thing a judge is going to see it as.
Everyone knows the rules of their probation, they accept those rules when they accept the probation. If you can't follow those rules, don't get the fucking probation. You're only shooting yourself in the foot. You can either follow the rules of your probation and live outside of a cell, or you can be put in jail where you have no choice but to obey the rules.
That's all bs tho. The judges are on a serious power trip and they need to be talked to like regular human beings from time to time. I love when peeps be cussing out the judges like "fuck you", yea it's probably not the best approach but it is like music to my ears.
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: yogabunny]
#22076695 - 08/11/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Nothing wrong with what the op is trying to do, nor is it stupid; as long as u are aware of the consequences or even expecting them to occur.
What the op is doing is brave and I commend him.
I have dabbled in drug policy reform activism, and I am here to tell you this is 100% a stupid form of "activism" that will have no effect whatsoever on changing the laws in his state.
it is activism in it's purest form
saying it will have no positive effect whatsoever is kinda pessimistic dont u think?..
who knows maybe the op just legalized marijuana
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Re: Telling the judge I'm going to continue self medicating. [Re: aler] 3
#22076923 - 08/11/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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aler said: Hai guys long time no see!! I've recently been self medicating while on probation since I get super nauseous after eating the smallest amounts of food, so I saw the doctor and got prescribed Zofran but that didn't even help at all. So I thought the smart thing to do would be self medication. I smoked yesterday after eating a corn dog and I felt no nausea at all. It was pretty awesome being able to munch out without getting sick.
But anyways, I wanted to take a stand at my next probation review and tell the judge that there's nothing wrong with self medicating and that in the end as a judge, it's his job to settle the difference between right and wrong and not what the law says because the law is not always right. I haven't been ua though in about 2 months but my plan is to take a stand if I ever get a dirty ua. I've also motivated a bunch of other people on probation to take a stand.
I was wondering what's your opinion on this and how do you think it'll go? I want to show the judge there's nothing wrong with it and I'll continue to do so.
Thanks! 
It's going to go horribly.
I have chronic nausea and acid reflux, so it's near impossible for me to eat without an appetite stimulant or medication treating nausea, the meds prescribed were ineffective and had dangerous side effects, I have been using marijuana to treat these symptoms, as well as some sleep distubences and mild manic symptoms (they were going to diagnose me as bipolar but I'm never depressed, so it did not fit) regardless marijuana fixes these issues.
I have a medical license, and I live in a state where recreational marijuana is legal....
You can tell these people that it's a safe and effective medication, that not only does it work, that it's the only thing that works, that it's physically benign and one can not become physically dependant on it (most meds you can't just stop taking, you must taper, or sometimes you need meds to get off your meds, where as with marijuana you can stop whenever you want to with no ill effect...aside from minor irritability and minor sleep and appetite disturbance, some people don't even experience those effects when quitting) that it's a safe and natural plant that has been in use for thousands of years, and in all actuality nobody has the right to tell you not to us it, it's a harmless practice, a completely victimless act...every creature should have the right to alter their own consciousness, there's nothing wrong with it unless it becomes an addiction and it's not a moral issue, it's not that bad people use drugs, even animals alter their consciousness, there was a resort in Mexico where the monkeys would steal tourists alcohol, they did a study, some monkeys never drank, some drank moderately, and some were always drunk, it's 100% natural to alter your consciousness...like terence mckenna said “If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on.”
We should be able to tell these people "look, this is who we are, this is what we do, we are not hurting anybody, consciousness exploration is natural, and we shouldn't have to bow our heads and hide our stash, we should be able to be who we are with out fear of harassment or criminal prosecution...
...you can use logic, science, facts, studies, good arguments, even expert testimony from a medical doctor, and the court will STILL tell you that your wrong, that it's never ok to use weed, that you should take a pharmaceutical that was invented in the 1980s with known and unknown dangerous side effects before you should treat yourself with a safe natural remedy that's been in use for thousands of years. They will tell you that weed is not helping you, that it's bad for your health, and that your braking the law to use it, even in legal states they say "it's not federally legal", they will portray it as something with no practical use in the modern world...
Honestly I'm sick of it, I want to dedicate my life to fighting for psychoactive freedom, in the case of marijuana and the psychedelics the laws are unjust, schedule I means ·No medical value (but all the psychedelics have been used as medicines by shamans for thousands of years, and have been shown to have therapeutic value in modern times.) ·Highly addictive (the psychedelics are not addictive, you can not become dependant, these compounds seem to brake destructive compulsive behaviors not form them) ·Dangerous (nobody haw died from the classic psychedelics, the handfull of deaths attributed to psychedelics are murky, and involved other factors... As senior LSD researcher Dr. David Nichols, Distinguished Chair of Pharmacology at Purdue University and head of one of the world's top LSD research labs, stated in his 2004 review article on hallucinogens, "There is no evidence that any of the hallucinogens, even the very powerful semisynthetic LSD, causes damage to any human body organ. [...] Hallucinogens do not cause life-threatening changes in cardiovascular, renal, or hepatic function because they have little or no affinity for the biological receptors and targets that mediate vital vegetative functions.-erowid. so deaths from psychedelics are rare to non-existant.
There is no reason for psychedelics to be schedule one.
They can't make being a non-Christian who uses plant entheogens, or being an artist, or being anti-war, or being counter-culture illegal, so they make their harmless customs (psychedelics) illegal.
Trust me though, none of this makes a difference to them, they will make it seem like what your doing is wrong no matter how much it helps you or how harmless it is...you can't talk reason into these people, they refuse to listen, they can't accept that plant medicines are plant medicines and not dangerous drugs, their too ignorant to differentiate a dangerous drug from a harmless one...the head of the DEA refused to admit that marijuana is safer than methamphetamine when questioned, because it would make them look like the hypocrites they are, and ignorant people believe the lies they tell, and the courts will always back the DEA no matter ho absurd.
This is what we are dealing with...
Don't expect any sympathy from the courts in regards to marijuana...Or any psychedelic
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I think you've got a great shot at this. Tell the judge too that your like all your parking tickets taken care of, you want to be able to carry a gun on your person, and you want to be able to drink on an elementary school playground any time you damn well please.
What's the worst that can happen?
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