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Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? 2
#21864227 - 06/27/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am a big fan of free speech, and I firmly believe there is a place for discussing the issue of race in the pub. I do not want to censor anyone's speech or make the job for the many mods I do respect there any harder than it has to be, as I think we all come here to share ideas and pass the time together.
I have always liked the pub because for a long time I felt there was a good balance of provocative conversation and thoughtful skepticism, but lately things have taken a turn for the worse in my opinion. One of the moderators here seems completely unwilling to acknowledge that racism exists, that it is inherently wrong and offensive, it does hurt people, and that many people find it disgusting and offensive on a fundamental level. I honestly thought that was why the strongly worded policy prohibiting racism existed for the pub, not because people were afraid to confront what racism actually is, and are afraid of being associated with the well deserved negative stigma associated with racism.
I know this is a privately operated forum that can be run within the limits of free speech, but I would genuinely like to know:
Why is someone who denies that racism exists moderating a forum that is supposedly not tolerant of racists? Is that policy just for show? Am I crazy and misunderstanding racism, thinking that associating things like criminality or capability with the color of someone's skin is not even borderline racist, it is just plain old school racism?
When confronted the people making such statements attempt to apply existential and pedantic arguments, but to me that does not excuse it in any way, and I am genuinely surprised if the administrators here are falling for that. Why have a policy on racism if you do not understand what racism is? How does the shroomery define racism?
Pris#1 claims I am a racist because I do not like police. He gets alot of support for ideas like this, and me and others who challenge him consistently get railroaded until we're furious to the point of potentially saying someone incriminating, which I believe prisoner1 particularly enjoys in a way that is sadistic and disgusting considering he is standing up for people who say completely racist things, by any conventional definition.
I believe that is what happened to get akira banned, and I believe I have proof of that and much more racism here at the Shroomery that is consistently overlooked and even normalized to the point where anyone who stands up against it is going to be ostracized.
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because race is fiction, racism doesnt exist and you've again exposed your bigotry
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... so if you want to promote tolerance, you need to have tolerance for the bigots since it's clear that you are one as well. maybe it's time we promote racist diversity instead of racial diversity since the latter still promotes intolerance and bigotry
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racism cant exist, race is a social construct
the rules in the pub are "absolutely no racism", should that only apply to non whites or should it apply to all people equally?
He just does't seem to get it, which is ok, but I genuinely cannot fathom why someone who doesn't adknowledge racism even exists is in charge of a forum that is supposed to be non-racist. I know he will probably come in here and try to say things like "if race doesn't exist how can racism?" and honestly I am so tired and deeply disturbed by hearing that blatant ignorance again and again it is seriously causing me to not enjoy my time here and think that by coming here I am condoning this sort of behavior.
Please let me know if you consider these concerns valid. I know this is a long rambling rant, but I am genuinely disturbed by the fact that if pris#1 or one of his cronies says something racist and uses dumb semantic arguments like that it is allowed to slide, and then the people who get angry at him for perpetuating racism are liable to be banned if they slightly step out of line. He trolled using racism, then banned akira when he rightfully was angered by that. I'm not saying akira couldn't have handled it differently, but the level of hypocriticism is stunning to me.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21863435#21863435
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akira_akuma said: he's another meandering schriven slithole who once wanted to post here to his post his music, and then turned...into a horrible trolly thing.
the temptation to simply lock this thread is great but the is far more satisfying
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
#21865571 - 06/27/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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could you show us the racism?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21867204 - 06/28/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Why are they "black teens?" What's wrong with just calling them "teens?" That's what the story would say if they were white.
you're right, they're like hookers, they should only be called black teens when they're shot by cops or are found dead in the trunk of a car
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moonrockmushy said: In my opinion only a coward would stay quiet because they were worried about other people judging them for "melting". Despite what the fedora wearing neckbeards on the internet and the underage dipshits who love to ride their dicks say, human equality is a perfectly good thing to be passionate about.
I would be more concerned being called a racist from someone who doesn't advocate for racial segregation or maintain that the racial categories common in America have value beyond identifying who is likely to have been the subject of racial discrimination.
If there are no races how can there be racial discrimination? You are intellectually bereft.
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When people point out that associating black people with criminality is an offensive stereotype you will dig in and at any length deny that racism exists. When people bring up a statistic and use it to validate a racist stereotype, you will back them using stupid semantic debates about if racism even exists or not, and how there is a statistic and the racist statement must be a fact.
Racism does exist. It is offensive. There is a definition of racism in the dictionary. When zappa tells me that he has in fact given me a concrete definition of the word "Negro" and that it is a discrete biological group with inherent differences that is racism. When you then deny that racism even exists and try to come with the angle "If race doesn't exist how can racism" you are reinforcing these racist statements.
You need to cut that shit out. It's not a discussion we should be having, if racism exists or not. If you can be so stupid as to not see how that encourages racism I severely underestimated you. I want someone to explain to me why a moderator is so invested in the idea that racism doesn't exist isn't encouraging racism but rather providing a fair and balanced viewpoint because, hey, maybe it is partially correct.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21867217 - 06/28/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm seriously done here you can have the pub. You're a disgusting human being if you think that is acceptable. You equate understanding the racist viewpoint with tolerance and equality. This is not a liberal issue, this is a human decency issue.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
#21867229 - 06/28/15 04:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sounds like something a racist would say.
Only a racist could make up such lies and perceive everything as racist from a racist perspective.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: sprinkles]
#21867238 - 06/28/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21867245 - 06/28/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are free to think I'm a racist, but I stand for the idea that all people are essentially equal regardless of race. Not that all races are equal. People who don't understand the difference are racist in my opinion, and since I can't get them to admit in any way shape of form that yes, racism is a problem, I am not willing to even be around them. When you place people in mutually exclusive categories by skin tone or whatever, that is the basis of racism. I'm not even saying it can never come up, but when I point out that the premise behind this is flawed, rather than adknowledge I am right in any way people paint me as a crazy liberal who views everything through a racist lens, which is disturbing to me. I feel like non-racism should be the standard.
I resent the accusation that I am racist and consider the things people are saying about my intentions baseless. I'm starting to believe that people actually do think I'm crazy, which does make me more mad. Rather than let people use this against me I'm going to opt out of the conversation from now on, but I stand by everything I have said.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy] 3
#21867253 - 06/28/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea dude you're the one coming off as the raceist IMO
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21867273 - 06/28/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That how you come across.
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I'm seriously done here you can have the pub.
The air suddenly smells cleaner.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21867302 - 06/28/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: In my opinion only a coward would stay quiet because they were worried about other people judging them for "melting". Despite what the fedora wearing neckbeards on the internet and the underage dipshits who love to ride their dicks say, human equality is a perfectly good thing to be passionate about.
I would be more concerned being called a racist from someone who doesn't advocate for racial segregation or maintain that the racial categories common in America have value beyond identifying who is likely to have been the subject of racial discrimination.
If there are no races how can there be racial discrimination? You are intellectually bereft.
How is my post racist? You have repeatedly asserted that there are no races. If there are no races then there can be no racism.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21868890 - 06/28/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are so fucking stupid it is astounding. Have a nice circle jerk.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21868922 - 06/28/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think pris or anyone else here is denying that racism exists, or that some people on the shroomery are racist. I think Pris and the others are arguing rather over what qualifies as racism, when, why, who, etc.
I'm sure everyone here has encountered actual racists IRL. God knows I have.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: nooneman]
#21869271 - 06/28/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He says there are no races. If here are no races there can't be racism. I'm not the one making the idiotic argument. I am fully aware that there is racism but I also realize that in order for there to be racism you have to have races. Something middle school doesn't seem to grok.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: nooneman]
#21869375 - 06/28/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's just ridiculous to me. I don't want to even hate on anyone for what I perceive as racism, but people are trying to paint me as a crazy liberal asshole because I say that people are essentially equal, or that the concept of race is flawed at it's core.
These are statements I believe to be truths, and I'm normally happy to argue that as an equal with anyone but lately there has been the pseudo-intellectual frenzy that I find disturbing. I want to make it clear that taking a statistic or anecdote and claiming that is proof of distinct races is in fact racism. You can say that you treat all races equally all day long, but until people acknowledge that all skin color means is skin color and "Negro" is not a population group defined in a concise way that is recognized by any modern science, it will always be racism.
I don't know why people think I said race doesn't exist. I don't know why people feel it is necessary to argue the existence of a concept. I don't know why that is relevant.
I've tried to state this many times and people just keep throwing the same thing in my face again and again, probably because they enjoy seeing me get upset. I'll get over it, and honestly it probably would do me some good to just back off, but I wanted to state my case because alot of people here who I always considered reasonable skeptics seem to be going off the deep end with this "race doesn't exist so racism can't exist." thing when in the context of a racially sensitive issue that alone is somewhat offensive.
I consider it trolling at this point, and whatever fun some people get out of antagonizing others I've had enough. I realize that this is very self-centered of me on many levels, but I appreciate the people who heard me out.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21869669 - 06/28/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If your ability to recognize trolling is as piss-poor as your ability to recognize racism, you're screwed.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21869760 - 06/28/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, you've made your point already. Give it a rest, willya?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Le_Canard]
#21870029 - 06/28/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
#21870118 - 06/28/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pris and Wiccan should give it a rest.
I liked Rose's idea of scrapping racism threads in the Pub and moving them to the Romp so people can speak freely.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden]
#21872520 - 06/29/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm just stressed out anyways from personal issues and I don't appreciate into the guy that likes to argue about this all the time. It is not something I am willing to compromise on and I don't like feeling I am backed into a corner because someone thinks that my views are crazy all the time. Like I said alot of this has to do with me personally, but I can't keep my mouth shut regarding this and it stopped being fun a long time ago so I'm done.
This is my feedback, it's nothing personal but I genuinely don't understand why people can't see how simple what I am saying is. It's like I'm speaking a different language entirely. I didn't call anyone a racist because they had an opinion, I said it is racist to imply that there are discrete biological groups for humans known as races. When a stupid article or statistic comes up and people use it to make a snarky racist comment, and then tell me it is not only racist it is a fact, I would much rather the conversation just end with the fact that is racist rather than have to argue for days with people including a mod over what I consider a simple fact just to feed their egos.
On some level I am a hypocrite here, but if that is what the pub is about it's soured my experience to the point I've stopped enjoying it. I appreciate I can just ignore people, but when I started seeing people getting riled up and then banned over this it made me question what type of community this really was.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21876254 - 06/30/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: It's just ridiculous to me. I don't want to even hate on anyone for what I perceive as racism, but people are trying to paint me as a crazy liberal asshole because I say that people are essentially equal, or that the concept of race is flawed at it's core.
These are statements I believe to be truths, and I'm normally happy to argue that as an equal with anyone but lately there has been the pseudo-intellectual frenzy that I find disturbing. I want to make it clear that taking a statistic or anecdote and claiming that is proof of distinct races is in fact racism. You can say that you treat all races equally all day long, but until people acknowledge that all skin color means is skin color and "Negro" is not a population group defined in a concise way that is recognized by any modern science, it will always be racism.
I don't know why people think I said race doesn't exist. I don't know why people feel it is necessary to argue the existence of a concept. I don't know why that is relevant.
I've tried to state this many times and people just keep throwing the same thing in my face again and again, probably because they enjoy seeing me get upset. I'll get over it, and honestly it probably would do me some good to just back off, but I wanted to state my case because alot of people here who I always considered reasonable skeptics seem to be going off the deep end with this "race doesn't exist so racism can't exist." thing when in the context of a racially sensitive issue that alone is somewhat offensive.
I consider it trolling at this point, and whatever fun some people get out of antagonizing others I've had enough. I realize that this is very self-centered of me on many levels, but I appreciate the people who heard me out.
how is your bigotry any different from the bigotry of the 'racists'?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21876842 - 06/30/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mine is founded in reality. People are trying to turn my argument that the racial categories commonly used to associate certain behaviors with skin color are not only unproductive but harmful into "if races don't exist how can racism?". Of course people have some idea of what a race is, and how people perceive races. The notion that this is something I don't understand has been repeated over and over when I have tried to take the time to lay out my argument in a sensible way several times.
I think the types of conversations people have around here regarding race miss the point entirely and you especially would rather use it as a divisive issue so that you can antagonize "liberals". I presumed that the "liberal" idea that racism does exist and it should be acknowledged on some level was part of the spirit behind the anti-racism stance of the pub. I know this is being nit-picky and at this point I have stopped caring, but I don't think anyone who would argue the basic fact that discrimination based on skin color does happen and perpetuating these stereotypes is what allows it to happen can really understand why racism is wrong.
I think it is normal that it would come up now and then. That you seem to enjoy antagonizing people who take a strong stance on human rights is not normal. These arguments that pointing out racism is itself racist are pointless and I refuse to take part any longer. I'm sure you'll all get by without me but I wanted to say this because I feel it is important. I'm definitely not interested in arguing with you anymore, but I wish you the best and I hope you're just being a troll and you don't genuinely think these arguments are productive.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21881081 - 07/01/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're a good dude, moonrockmushy, and you aren't crazier than any other leftie out there.
I could rip you with my opinions on the matter but this isn't the place, and I feel partly responsible for ruining your experience on this site. For that I apologize.
We're not going to agree on a lot of things, but I do hope you come back and participate in the Pub after your head is clear enough.
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#21881295 - 07/01/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Mine is founded in reality.
no, bigotry is bigotry and that's all there is to that
now here's some reality. people bitch that the pub has been sucking, that there's too much of the very same shit that you're complaining about, racism, trolling, etc... I made a proposal, want to get rid of the racism, then fucking get rid of it, lock all the threads that are started as racial bullshit, the ones that devolve into racial horse shit and those that have the random racial slur thrown in
now for some crazy reason and you're just as guilty as everyone else, they refuse to see terms such as redneck or hillbilly as a racial slur, it's also fine to poke at the first nations (indians), people would say things such as "redneck isnt a race" well, since when was moon cricket or nigger a race, beaner, gook and slope were never races either but they're certainly all racial slurs just like redneck even when you refuse to acknowledge it
now the real problem comes with the 1 man show, if I'm the only one locking these threads it gets to be pretty tedious, not just the ones that contain a few racial slurs but also the ones that were veiled racism, the ones that were discussions on race/race relations, the statistics of race related crimes and all that other crap. it seems like the only ones that were getting locked by other mods were the ones that were directed against blacks, and even that lasted less than a month
some say political discussion doesnt belong in the pub, personally I think some is important there, many pubbers do vote and some can be swayed to vote, it's good to have some discussion on issues and candidates especially around election time but if you look at the religious threads, they really belong in another forum because let's face it, people dont want to convert based on what they read on the shroomery and the threads whether it's the atheist or the christian religious beliefs, it always breaks down into more bullshit
now, when we start looking at the bigger picture, you are just as much of the problem as the next guy, you claim yourself to be an anti-racist, that makes you a racist and a bigot, you refuse to see all the racism such as the term redneck as an epithet against whites which is in it's self racism, hence the reason I say that we're all racists, you also proudly proclaim your bigotry against certain groups such as those 'rednecks' and you arent alone, you're joined by the entire forum, some mods and admins included (some dont post in the pub). the really crazy part is so many like to marginalize the victims of this racism and to kind of steal a phrase from the feminists/SJWs, it creates a "race culture" where we are victim blaming, where we down play the damage is really does where people are saying "but they call themselves that", dont rape victims often believe it was their fault that they were raped? just like the term 'nigga', call it what ever you want but it's not a term of endearment, you are not endeared to a man you're shooting at, robbing, ripping off, insulting or beating. no, this word is the same as the others. it's more of the 'race culture' and doesnt it create an atmosphere where it self perpetuates until it breaks down to what we keep seeing, the same thing you say is ruining your experience, the same thing you are a part of
if you want to stop being a part of the problem, stop being an 'anti racist' who looks for racism where there is none, stop perpetuating racism by trivializing actual racism with phrases such as 'every month is white history month' or 'yeah, because 400 years of oppression means whites are discriminated against'. these are in fact the same sort of racist statement you're looking for but you're unwilling to acknowledge them because you arent offended based on your own personal views even though your views dont reflect on the experiences of others. stop marginalizing those people that have suffered from acts of discrimination based on race regardless of their color, simply accept that it does happen to all races, your reality isnt the only reality
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: I'm seriously done here you can have the pub. You're a disgusting human being if you think that is acceptable. You equate understanding the racist viewpoint with tolerance and equality. This is not a liberal issue, this is a human decency issue.
They can have this website for all the good it'll do them. I'm out of hereeeee!
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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moonrockmushy said: Mine is founded in reality.
no, bigotry is bigotry and that's all there is to that
now here's some reality. people bitch that the pub has been sucking, that there's too much of the very same shit that you're complaining about, racism, trolling, etc... I made a proposal, want to get rid of the racism, then fucking get rid of it, lock all the threads that are started as racial bullshit, the ones that devolve into racial horse shit and those that have the random racial slur thrown in
now for some crazy reason and you're just as guilty as everyone else, they refuse to see terms such as redneck or hillbilly as a racial slur, it's also fine to poke at the first nations (indians), people would say things such as "redneck isnt a race" well, since when was moon cricket or nigger a race, beaner, gook and slope were never races either but they're certainly all racial slurs just like redneck even when you refuse to acknowledge it
now the real problem comes with the 1 man show, if I'm the only one locking these threads it gets to be pretty tedious, not just the ones that contain a few racial slurs but also the ones that were veiled racism, the ones that were discussions on race/race relations, the statistics of race related crimes and all that other crap. it seems like the only ones that were getting locked by other mods were the ones that were directed against blacks, and even that lasted less than a month
some say political discussion doesnt belong in the pub, personally I think some is important there, many pubbers do vote and some can be swayed to vote, it's good to have some discussion on issues and candidates especially around election time but if you look at the religious threads, they really belong in another forum because let's face it, people dont want to convert based on what they read on the shroomery and the threads whether it's the atheist or the christian religious beliefs, it always breaks down into more bullshit
now, when we start looking at the bigger picture, you are just as much of the problem as the next guy, you claim yourself to be an anti-racist, that makes you a racist and a bigot, you refuse to see all the racism such as the term redneck as an epithet against whites which is in it's self racism, hence the reason I say that we're all racists, you also proudly proclaim your bigotry against certain groups such as those 'rednecks' and you arent alone, you're joined by the entire forum, some mods and admins included (some dont post in the pub). the really crazy part is so many like to marginalize the victims of this racism and to kind of steal a phrase from the feminists/SJWs, it creates a "race culture" where we are victim blaming, where we down play the damage is really does where people are saying "but they call themselves that", dont rape victims often believe it was their fault that they were raped? just like the term 'nigga', call it what ever you want but it's not a term of endearment, you are not endeared to a man you're shooting at, robbing, ripping off, insulting or beating. no, this word is the same as the others. it's more of the 'race culture' and doesnt it create an atmosphere where it self perpetuates until it breaks down to what we keep seeing, the same thing you say is ruining your experience, the same thing you are a part of
if you want to stop being a part of the problem, stop being an 'anti racist' who looks for racism where there is none, stop perpetuating racism by trivializing actual racism with phrases such as 'every month is white history month' or 'yeah, because 400 years of oppression means whites are discriminated against'. these are in fact the same sort of racist statement you're looking for but you're unwilling to acknowledge them because you arent offended based on your own personal views even though your views dont reflect on the experiences of others. stop marginalizing those people that have suffered from acts of discrimination based on race regardless of their color, simply accept that it does happen to all races, your reality isnt the only reality
Nicely said but the bigots will not learn from it. Their bigotry is OK in their minds.
It's fucking pathetic.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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It is bigotry accepted by the mainstream media so it is obviously OK. After all they know better than we do.
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I'm impressed with Pris. He locked a thread with white racism and didn't have to explain himself to Asante.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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moonrockmushy said: people paint me as a crazy liberal who views everything through a racist lens
That how you come across.
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I'm seriously done here you can have the pub.
The air suddenly smells cleaner.
Agreed
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge] 1
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LoL @ thinking the pub was some bastion of goodness and intellectual stimuli.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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u had me at hello op
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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people who often accuse others of being racist often are racist themselves.
by the way, the differences in different groups of people are funny. Stop being such a fuck and pointing the finger accusing everyone of being a racist, ya racist. Get over it.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: sprinkles] 1
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The Confederate flag should never have been removed.
The people who hold hate for it are denying an integral part of American History. Will kids even learn about it anymore at some point?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21903654 - 07/06/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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But Sir, aren't we all the same color? On the inside?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: jahrastafareye]
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people are stupid, end of story
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: jahrastafareye]
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jahrastafareye said: But Sir, aren't we all the same color? On the inside?
We are but American History happened.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden]
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i. am. black. and everything and everyone says hurts my feelings.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: sprinkles]
#21904539 - 07/06/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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everyone is a racist, the so called anti racists are the worst of them
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: refried]
#21908279 - 07/07/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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refried said: LoL @ thinking the pub was some bastion of goodness and intellectual stimuli.
Best post of the thread.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: emf]
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as i understand it, the "no races" thing is scientifically accurate.
you can have racism without race the same way you can have religion with no god.
also every night when you fall asleep you die and someone else wakes up in your body thinking they're you.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21928079 - 07/11/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm butthurt by Koods' racist statement in the pub.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21924524#21924524
I'll live... But its disgusting that such open racism is being spouted by a moderator and cheered on by an admin in a forum that supposedly bans racism.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: DieCommie]
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There is nothing racist about that post. That would have made my post he quoted racist as well, and it isn't.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
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Nope. You're wrong. That was racist.
Teamkiller if there are no races there cannot be racism
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: zappaisgod]
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If that post was racist then so are a few of the ones moonrockmushy quoted at the beginning of the thread. This would also make a lot of your own posts racist, zappaisgod.
Think about what you're saying here. I don't agree with koods any more than you on these topics, but if you're going to call racism at least be consistent with it.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
#21928912 - 07/11/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"but if you're going to call racism at least be consistent with it."
In other words, what staff should do?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: If that post was racist then so are a few of the ones moonrockmushy quoted at the beginning of the thread. This would also make a lot of your own posts racist, zappaisgod.
Think about what you're saying here. I don't agree with koods any more than you on these topics, but if you're going to call racism at least be consistent with it.
I am. The post linked was racist
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah, koods can be racist all he wants but then he will ban others for alleged racism.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21930662 - 07/11/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Yeah, koods can be racist all he wants but then he will ban others for alleged racism.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
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people are going to laugh, but i have encountered races in hyperspace so race most certainly does exist. multiple times. the idea of oneness is something i believe in, but there's division in it! by race, no less. still working on this one...
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: There is nothing racist about that post. That would have made my post he quoted racist as well, and it isn't.
Your and his post was racist. He is a moderator, you are not - you both broke the rules.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: DieCommie] 1
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refried said: LoL @ thinking the pub was some bastion of goodness and intellectual stimuli.
Yeah fuck me. when I stop taking the drugs I get aggravated. Racism is one of my pet peeves, right up there with smelly white hillbillies from the American south. I think I mostly was getting bored getting the same shit responses and just had a "what the fuck am I doing here" moment because I still can't believe that people are that dumb. I don't see why it is even an argument, and now we got fuckwits saying they've seen races in the hyperverse. I wish I could believe it was trolling. I feel like if I ever manage to say anything half intelligent in the pub, it will probably go over most everyone's head. Wtf is the point.
Plus I've been losing crazy weight fast and I don't know what is causing it. It's kinda freaking me out. I'm not going to say I'm not irritable as shit but some of you are definite assholes who I want nothing to do with.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21935932 - 07/13/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sounds like you've outsmarted us all, bro!
Your dismissal of my experience says a lot about your narrow-mindedness and assumptions that most everyone here is racist, or that it even matters. Keep up the good work!
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
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"Hillbillies" is a racist and derogatory term.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden] 1
#21936506 - 07/13/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not to bigots and racists.
It's only the terms the "other" guy uses that are racist.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The biggest racists on this site are those who claim to be against racism. Its really ironic.
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Yeah, sure, people keep talking abour black being inferiour and shit, and when you accuse those people of racism, then YOU are the racist. I see this happen on different websites, and it is the same shit over and over again.
So never argue about racism with an American. They will not understand what you mean, that is how ingrained racism is in their culture.
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Dys said: "Hillbillies" is a racist and derogatory term.
The fuck it is. It is a stereotype, but not necessarily racist. It is not an inborn thing, it is learned. That is like saying racists are a race, which I am thinking is the root of calling me a bigot repeatedly. I would even admit that I probably form opinions of people based on the color of their skin weather I like it or not, but I acknowledge how much that practice has mislead and divided people to the benefit of a very few, and I know that the idea of distinct races is born out of lies.
Honestly I can handle the racism, I don't even hate all racists, but what really gets me is misleading language being called facts. People just don't seem to understand the limits of statistics, and want to back up serious, uncreative, unfunny, uninsightful and derogatory statements with horseshit anecdotes that show how the civil rights movement is just some scam to get one over on white people. I don't think anyone should be allowed to get away with that, and the people who buy into cheap rhetoric like this on any level just piss me off. I just can't argue with someone who thinks in those small-minded terms.
It's not even an argument to me, at this point it is just a waste of my time. Maybe I just started picking up on it, but I kinda feel like there was a time when I thought that the Pub did not take this ridiculous all-or-nothing view of racism. Whether it was in my head or it actually was like that I liked it alot better. I think someone should keep an eye on these half-wits because I am going to start taking advantage of the ignore function more. I probably should have just done that from the start sorry for the drama like I said I'm kinda on edge lately.
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So in other words, you can dish it out but you can't take it.
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Since when are hillbillies a race?
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Dys said: So in other words, you can dish it out but you can't take it.

On the internet you'll learn that calling somebody an inbred hillbilly piece of trash is racism, but constantly repeating that "They" (=black people) are more prone to violence and low IQ's is "just real talk."
That must take some real brain twisting, I am glad I don't know people like that in real life.
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Hillbilly = derogatory term for a white person
Any more questions?
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"a term used to refer to a person from a backwoods or other remote area, especially from the mountains of the southern U.S. (sometimes used facetiously). "
"Hillbilly is often used with disparaging intent and perceived as insulting, implying that a person who lives far away from a town or city lacks culture or education. However, this term is also used in a humorous way without intent to offend, and it is sometimes a positive term of self-reference. "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hillbilly?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic
Not a single definition lists anything about race concerning the word "Hillbilly", it seems to just refer to where the person lives and their lifestyle rather than their ethnicity. A black person could be a hillbilly as much as a white person could be.
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>However, this term is also used in a humorous way without intent to offend, and it is sometimes a positive term of self-reference. "
You mean like "nigga"?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Hillbilly = derogatory term for a white person
Any more questions?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >However, this term is also used in a humorous way without intent to offend, and it is sometimes a positive term of self-reference. "
You mean like "nigga"?
I guess nigga and negro are fair game the if redneck and hillbilly are fine, using that logic.
Is porch monkey okay because it's not a race? I've seen plenty of white porch monkeys.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Not really, nigga refers to black people specifically, hillbilly doesn't refer to any skin color. Both can be used negatively or positively depending on context and intent. Either way that was a quote from dictionary.com.
@ Dystopia, nice strawman.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden]
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When have black people ever been referred to as hillbillys? If they had been it would have been a banned term. I see people using "cracker" I suppose the pc crowd will tell us that does not mean whites?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21937573 - 07/13/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What Moon still hasn't learned, he's coming off as the most intolerant member on this site with his huge ego and self righteousness. There's still time for self refection.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman] 2
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Naw, the members trying to justify racism are the ones coming off as the most intolerant.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: TimmiT]
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Like who was doing that? I looked through this thread again and with the exception of the anti-racists crying wolf there really isn't any racism here. There is something seriously wrong when anti-racism resembles real racism more than those that are supposedly racist.
@Stonehenge, the point was not who is usually referred to as hillbillies, its that the term has absolutely nothing to do with skin color whether its used negatively or not. Also, please do me a favor and learn how to use the reply to feature, thanks!
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
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I was referring to the arguments trying to justify racial slurs by claiming that other slurs (some with perceived racial connotations) are ok.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: TimmiT]
#21941150 - 07/14/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't seen anyone do that. Can you quote such posts instead of beating around the bush?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
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Obviously you have no clue. They constantly make disparaging remarks about whites. And yes, hillbillies refers to whites, not blacks.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Who is they? Have you read the definition? It doesn't refer to whites in particular, it refers to a location and/or lifestyle. There is no reason to lash out just because you're wrong... Hillbilly is as racist of a term as hick is. Even hillbilly music is clearly biracial, the banjo even originated from West Africa.

http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2015/02/eric-s-blog/black-hillbilly-or-what-you-really-know-about-the-upper-south-.html
Edit: If there is anything racist in this thread its this strange refusal to acknowledge that African Americans played a huge role in hillbilly culture just as the European settlers did.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
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Not all hillbilly's play banjo's, you're stereotyping. I've never in my life heard the term hillbilly used towards a black person... never. And I've done my time in the mountains around old as well as young folk.
There's different names for black people there, and hillbilly is not one of them..
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
#21942134 - 07/14/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't expect everyone to be serious about racism all the time, but it definitely bothers me when people want to play devil's advocate there nonstop like that is actually important. Racism was always spread using this deceptive propaganda, and racism is just a crock of shit. No way around that. I don't care if you find it funny or can't help but be racist sometimes, I can forgive that, but if you're invested in defending racism as part of your "heritage" I can't help but resent you.
I know this is the internet, but there is still room for some level of reality. If I am misunderstanding what people are saying I wish people would just tell me in plain language. Just say, "Hey I understand the concept of human equality with respect to racist ideologies" rather than call me a liberal and try to make me into an asshole. I'm not denying that I'm an asshole, I'm taking issue with the twisted rhetoric being put forth as an argument. It seems to come out of the idea that there is some significance to skin color or other physical attributes when it comes to the potential and character of a human, which is horseshit and not really that funny in essence.
I am all for jokes and irony and being able to say dumb things without thinking them through, but I'm not going to allow denying racism or twisting facts to become normal in a serious conversation. If I really cared about the cause I would fight harder I guess, but I don't come here to fight.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21942174 - 07/14/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hit the notify button and let the mods deal with it. If you see mods posting something you don't like then file a support ticket.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: I don't expect everyone to be serious about racism all the time, but it definitely bothers me when people want to play devil's advocate there nonstop like that is actually important. Racism was always spread using this deceptive propaganda, and racism is just a crock of shit. No way around that. I don't care if you find it funny or can't help but be racist sometimes, I can forgive that, but if you're invested in defending racism as part of your "heritage" I can't help but resent you.
I know this is the internet, but there is still room for some level of reality. If I am misunderstanding what people are saying I wish people would just tell me in plain language. Just say, "Hey I understand the concept of human equality with respect to racist ideologies" rather than call me a liberal and try to make me into an asshole. I'm not denying that I'm an asshole, I'm taking issue with the twisted rhetoric being put forth as an argument. It seems to come out of the idea that there is some significance to skin color or other physical attributes when it comes to the potential and character of a human, which is horseshit and not really that funny in essence.
I am all for jokes and irony and being able to say dumb things without thinking them through, but I'm not going to allow denying racism or twisting facts to become normal in a serious conversation. If I really cared about the cause I would fight harder I guess, but I don't come here to fight.
"I'm not going to allow denying racism or twisting facts to become normal in a serious conversation"
So you're now the self-designated racism police? Good policing starts in ones own neighborhood.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden] 1
#21942666 - 07/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not going to make an issue of it beyond this. I am very fond of this site and the people here. The cheap doublethink propaganda that is passing as conservative rhetoric is totally worthless in my opinion, and I don't think it should be allowed when it comes to defending racist statements. I won't be offended if nothing comes of this, but before I dropped the issue out of frustration I wanted to make sure I expressed this.
If you look at what these arguments start over, there is racism, and rather than just acknowledge that and move on people feel compelled to make it into a divisive issue and lay the blame everywhere but themselves. I don't think it has to be this way. If you disagree with the tactics or aim of the civil rights movement I don't think anyone could complain, but to disagree with the notion that racism exists and has done harm to people because so many were unwilling to see the truth is just plain evil and antisocial.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge] 2
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"Hillbilly" isn't a racial term. The racist part was when he specified "white" before saying "hillbillys from the South". Come on now. You can't even tell what's basic racism or not, he straight up said "white" and you locked on the non-racial part of the statement, haha. You and Dys and whoever else were trying to prove how "hillbilly" is racist while ignoring the blatant, actual racist aspect of the statement have disqualified yourselves from ever being able to speak credibly on racism here from now on.
More than anything else he ultimately was being a pretentious xenophobic bigot who was blindly following the crudest, most ignorant stereotypes about an entire geographical region, but you didn't catch that part either. Probably because you actually agree with him, haha. This thread is a good example of mindless zealot shills in general, and how they are fucking retarded. What a bunch of apes.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: John Nada]
#21943286 - 07/14/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Show me some black hillbillies that call themselves that? They do not exist. Hillbilly and redneck are white put downs which the mods are happy about.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21943361 - 07/14/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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stonehenge are you gonna petition to get the beverly hillbillies off of that old tv show channel?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
#21943378 - 07/14/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think possibly they were all white, were they not? Case closed.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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interesting, according to google there is actually a genre called "black hillbilly music"
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge] 1
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Yeah, they do exist. The biggest redneck family I know is black, and by redneck I mean they watch nascar religiously and eat raccoons and doves and shit. They're the countriest fucks I've ever met. Most "rednecks" in general don't call themselves rednecks either. You're insisting only whites can be rednecks/hicks/hillbillies. That's racism against whites in itself, haha. You're now fighting against yourself. Again, those terms don't mean white in themselves, what means white is like when that dude literally said the word "WHITE". Goddamn, dude. How dumb can you get.
Both sides in this thread are retarded. They should probably just lock this piece of shit already.
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#21943488 - 07/14/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No flaming in this forum
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: John Nada]
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John Nada said: Probably because you actually agree with him, haha.
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John Nada said: That's racism against whites in itself, haha.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Turtletotem]
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On the internet you'll learn that calling somebody an inbred hillbilly piece of trash is racism, but constantly repeating that "They" (=black people) are more prone to violence and low IQ's is "just real talk."
That must take some real brain twisting, I am glad I don't know people like that in real life.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Obviously you have no clue. They constantly make disparaging remarks about whites. And yes, hillbillies refers to whites, not blacks.
country bumpkin, is that racist too?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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I mean any group could be made into a race, it doesn't make any more or less sense than using skin color, but I don't really see many people who are promoting the idea that someone's financial/social status determines their role in life. I see alot of people promoting the idea that there is some internal significance to skin color.
It's a pretty easy thing to understand, and I know that everyone here is capable of understanding it. Maybe all this is my fault to some extent because I am going around calling people names and that makes them want to fight back, but I'm done with that and I apologize if that actually bothered anyone, because I was just mad.
Overall I think all the mods here do a great job to the point where it makes the shroomery totally unique in terms of content. On the subject of 'when does a statement cross the line into racism' I personally think that the idea racism doesn't exist is over the line. It's basically revisionist history that isn't taught in any school or credible source. It implies that people are in the station they deserve to be in, which is the same shit that justifies all oppression. It's not just offensive, it is a lie of the worst sort and completely un-American.
As long as people take this into account I'm happy. That's all I'm asking.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: I mean any group could be made into a race, it doesn't make any more or less sense than using skin color, but I don't really see many people who are promoting the idea that someone's financial/social status determines their role in life. I see alot of people promoting the idea that there is some internal significance to skin color.
It's a pretty easy thing to understand, and I know that everyone here is capable of understanding it. Maybe all this is my fault to some extent because I am going around calling people names and that makes them want to fight back, but I'm done with that and I apologize if that actually bothered anyone, because I was just mad.
Overall I think all the mods here do a great job to the point where it makes the shroomery totally unique in terms of content. On the subject of 'when does a statement cross the line into racism' I personally think that the idea racism doesn't exist is over the line. It's basically revisionist history that isn't taught in any school or credible source. It implies that people are in the station they deserve to be in, which is the same shit that justifies all oppression. It's not just offensive, it is a lie of the worst sort and completely un-American.
As long as people take this into account I'm happy. That's all I'm asking.
"internal significance to skin color"
Skin color is only ONE trait difference between races (there are many others differences), your failure to recognize this obvious fact is driven by the "everyone is equal" ideology.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
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Oh yeah? what are others?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
#21947928 - 07/15/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"statistical analysis shows that white people have more and better jobs than black people, meaning black people suck worse"
i'll save qman some time.
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If there are no races then nobody can be guilty of racism. So which is it?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
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I already said. There is no god, but that doesn't stop the 10,000 religions.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: "statistical analysis shows that white people have more and better jobs than black people, meaning black people suck worse"
i'll save qman some time.
You don't think living 10,000-40,000 years away in a different environment doesn't develop different traits other than skin color?
Hell, dogs develop different traits in a hundred years, never mind tens of thousands.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
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akira_akuma said: "statistical analysis shows that white people have more and better jobs than black people, meaning black people suck worse"
i'll save qman some time.
You don't think living 10,000-40,000 years away in a different environment doesn't develop different traits other than skin color?
Hell, dogs develop different traits in a hundred years, never mind tens of thousands.
LOL, eugenics hasn't really been widely practiced in human society.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
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akira_akuma said: "statistical analysis shows that white people have more and better jobs than black people, meaning black people suck worse"
i'll save qman some time.
You don't think living 10,000-40,000 years away in a different environment doesn't develop different traits other than skin color?
Hell, dogs develop different traits in a hundred years, never mind tens of thousands.
LOL, eugenics hasn't really been widely practiced in human society.
Who's talking eugenics? Are you paranoid about something?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
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Well, you seem to be comparing dog breeds to human races. Dogs breed at like, 40x the speed of people, and dog breeds came from artificial selective breeding. In humans selective breeding is called eugenics. It hasn't really been a big thing.
For sure people have different traits, but its not something you can really tell by their skin color. Just like you can't tell someone's personality by the shape of their skull.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
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akira_akuma said: "statistical analysis shows that white people have more and better jobs than black people, meaning black people suck worse"
i'll save qman some time.
You don't think living 10,000-40,000 years away in a different environment doesn't develop different traits other than skin color?
Hell, dogs develop different traits in a hundred years, never mind tens of thousands.
LOL, eugenics hasn't really been widely practiced in human society.
It should be practiced more often.
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It should be practiced more often.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
#21948333 - 07/15/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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teamkiller said: Well, you seem to be comparing dog breeds to human races. Dogs breed at like, 40x the speed of people, and dog breeds came from artificial selective breeding. In humans selective breeding is called eugenics. It hasn't really been a big thing.
For sure people have different traits, but its not something you can really tell by their skin color. Just like you can't tell someone's personality by the shape of their skull.
It has nothing to do with selective breeding, different groups of humans evolved in different environments for thousands of years resulting in different traits, one of those traits includes skin color. There are many other different traits as a result of evolving in very different environment, why is this concept so difficult to understand?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
#21948364 - 07/15/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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what's difficult to understand is your correlating that with being "of poorer class", which is frankly what you're on about all the time.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: teamkiller]
#21948410 - 07/15/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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teamkiller said: Oh yeah? what are others?
The majority of the fastest runners in the world come from Kenya. And not just Kenya in general, but from one small tribe.
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/11/01/241895965/how-one-kenyan-tribe-produces-the-worlds-best-runners
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
#21948420 - 07/15/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its not, you just picked a poor analogy, lol. The differences aren't important at all in a social or political setting and only matter if you're a biologist or something. With dog breeds the differences are magnified due to selectively breeding specific traits, this doesn't really happen in a natural setting including humans. Its more about what traits are most advantageous towards survival and which corresponds with being able to breed and pass those genes on. A good example is in north western part of CA where its cold and wet ringtails will have shorter limbs and more fur to conserve heat while ringtails in the Mojave will have longer limbs and less fur so they don't overheat. Currently with humans environmental pressures are not really that limiting anymore and the selective pressures are distorted since we have been so far able to artificially extend our own carrying capacity with advances in technology.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: akira_akuma]
#21948829 - 07/15/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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D.M.T said:
It should be practiced more often.
lovely.
This whole 'breed with whoever you love' thing is just giving us a bunch of dumbies and fatties. The human mating process should be to create a better human than the two it came from, not just because you can. Eugenics should be the standard for human reproduction, and anything conceived otherwise should be aborted.
Contrary to popular belief, not all children are miracles. Not even close.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
#21948876 - 07/15/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Byrain said: Its not, you just picked a poor analogy, lol. The differences aren't important at all in a social or political setting and only matter if you're a biologist or something. With dog breeds the differences are magnified due to selectively breeding specific traits, this doesn't really happen in a natural setting including humans. Its more about what traits are most advantageous towards survival and which corresponds with being able to breed and pass those genes on. A good example is in north western part of CA where its cold and wet ringtails will have shorter limbs and more fur to conserve heat while ringtails in the Mojave will have longer limbs and less fur so they don't overheat. Currently with humans environmental pressures are not really that limiting anymore and the selective pressures are distorted since we have been so far able to artificially extend our own carrying capacity with advances in technology.
"The differences (in traits) aren't important at all in a social setting"
That's pure speculation on your point, in fact many statistics would point to the contrary.
"currently with humans environmental pressures are not really that limiting anymore"
We know that, but the discussion is how the different races evolved tens of thousands of years ago and the different traits that developed as a result.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
#21948918 - 07/15/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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D.M.T said:
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akira_akuma said:
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D.M.T said:
It should be practiced more often.
lovely.
This whole 'breed with whoever you love' thing is just giving us a bunch of dumbies and fatties. The human mating process should be to create a better human than the two it came from, not just because you can. Eugenics should be the standard for human reproduction, and anything conceived otherwise should be aborted.
Contrary to popular belief, not all children are miracles. Not even close.
Where have I heard that before..? Hmm..
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Amanita86]
#21948930 - 07/15/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know. Be sure to update when you remember.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
#21948957 - 07/15/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is no best human. It is the absolute height of arrogance to say that your insights should be considered more important than the entire course of human history, and the contributions of everyone who has lived in order for us to be here. There's really nothing about a human's genetics that can justify poverty and oppression. For hundreds or thousands of years people have used petty and cruel tactics like racism to exploit and oppress others up to the point of genocide. Whatever body measurements compared to marathon time data you're using to try and justify the idea that there are distinct races, it doesn't compare to the evidence that racism is a crock of shit.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21948993 - 07/15/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eugenics isn't about race. Frankly, I am done with the racism discussion. We already know you don't like it, and there's only so much to say before you start repeating yourself.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
#21949006 - 07/15/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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do u ever have any of ur own opinions, dmt?
it seems like all u do is attack the opinions of other posters, which is very unshroomy
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: D.M.T]
#21949124 - 07/15/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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D.M.T said:
This whole 'breed with whoever you love' thing is just giving us a bunch of dumbies and fatties. The human mating process should be to create a better human than the two it came from, not just because you can. Eugenics should be the standard for human reproduction, and anything conceived otherwise should be aborted.
Contrary to popular belief, not all children are miracles. Not even close.
you don't care about humanity at all. not often i get to talk to someone more cynical and putrid than me. wanna rub dicks and sniff my butt?
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