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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Turtletotem] 2
#21936824 - 07/13/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hillbilly = derogatory term for a white person
Any more questions?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21936843 - 07/13/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"a term used to refer to a person from a backwoods or other remote area, especially from the mountains of the southern U.S. (sometimes used facetiously). "
"Hillbilly is often used with disparaging intent and perceived as insulting, implying that a person who lives far away from a town or city lacks culture or education. However, this term is also used in a humorous way without intent to offend, and it is sometimes a positive term of self-reference. "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hillbilly?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic
Not a single definition lists anything about race concerning the word "Hillbilly", it seems to just refer to where the person lives and their lifestyle rather than their ethnicity. A black person could be a hillbilly as much as a white person could be.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain] 1
#21937058 - 07/13/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>However, this term is also used in a humorous way without intent to offend, and it is sometimes a positive term of self-reference. "
You mean like "nigga"?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21937120 - 07/13/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Stonehenge said: Hillbilly = derogatory term for a white person
Any more questions?
Yeah, that is not true man.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21937192 - 07/13/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Stonehenge said: >However, this term is also used in a humorous way without intent to offend, and it is sometimes a positive term of self-reference. "
You mean like "nigga"?
I guess nigga and negro are fair game the if redneck and hillbilly are fine, using that logic.
Is porch monkey okay because it's not a race? I've seen plenty of white porch monkeys.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21937212 - 07/13/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really, nigga refers to black people specifically, hillbilly doesn't refer to any skin color. Both can be used negatively or positively depending on context and intent. Either way that was a quote from dictionary.com.
@ Dystopia, nice strawman.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
#21937252 - 07/13/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden]
#21937559 - 07/13/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When have black people ever been referred to as hillbillys? If they had been it would have been a banned term. I see people using "cracker" I suppose the pc crowd will tell us that does not mean whites?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21937573 - 07/13/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What Moon still hasn't learned, he's coming off as the most intolerant member on this site with his huge ego and self righteousness. There's still time for self refection.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman] 2
#21939665 - 07/13/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Naw, the members trying to justify racism are the ones coming off as the most intolerant.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: TimmiT]
#21941036 - 07/14/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like who was doing that? I looked through this thread again and with the exception of the anti-racists crying wolf there really isn't any racism here. There is something seriously wrong when anti-racism resembles real racism more than those that are supposedly racist.
@Stonehenge, the point was not who is usually referred to as hillbillies, its that the term has absolutely nothing to do with skin color whether its used negatively or not. Also, please do me a favor and learn how to use the reply to feature, thanks!
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
#21941127 - 07/14/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was referring to the arguments trying to justify racial slurs by claiming that other slurs (some with perceived racial connotations) are ok.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: TimmiT]
#21941150 - 07/14/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't seen anyone do that. Can you quote such posts instead of beating around the bush?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
#21941411 - 07/14/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Obviously you have no clue. They constantly make disparaging remarks about whites. And yes, hillbillies refers to whites, not blacks.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21941453 - 07/14/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who is they? Have you read the definition? It doesn't refer to whites in particular, it refers to a location and/or lifestyle. There is no reason to lash out just because you're wrong... Hillbilly is as racist of a term as hick is. Even hillbilly music is clearly biracial, the banjo even originated from West Africa.

http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2015/02/eric-s-blog/black-hillbilly-or-what-you-really-know-about-the-upper-south-.html
Edit: If there is anything racist in this thread its this strange refusal to acknowledge that African Americans played a huge role in hillbilly culture just as the European settlers did.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Byrain]
#21941507 - 07/14/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not all hillbilly's play banjo's, you're stereotyping. I've never in my life heard the term hillbilly used towards a black person... never. And I've done my time in the mountains around old as well as young folk.
There's different names for black people there, and hillbilly is not one of them..
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: qman]
#21942134 - 07/14/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't expect everyone to be serious about racism all the time, but it definitely bothers me when people want to play devil's advocate there nonstop like that is actually important. Racism was always spread using this deceptive propaganda, and racism is just a crock of shit. No way around that. I don't care if you find it funny or can't help but be racist sometimes, I can forgive that, but if you're invested in defending racism as part of your "heritage" I can't help but resent you.
I know this is the internet, but there is still room for some level of reality. If I am misunderstanding what people are saying I wish people would just tell me in plain language. Just say, "Hey I understand the concept of human equality with respect to racist ideologies" rather than call me a liberal and try to make me into an asshole. I'm not denying that I'm an asshole, I'm taking issue with the twisted rhetoric being put forth as an argument. It seems to come out of the idea that there is some significance to skin color or other physical attributes when it comes to the potential and character of a human, which is horseshit and not really that funny in essence.
I am all for jokes and irony and being able to say dumb things without thinking them through, but I'm not going to allow denying racism or twisting facts to become normal in a serious conversation. If I really cared about the cause I would fight harder I guess, but I don't come here to fight.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21942174 - 07/14/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hit the notify button and let the mods deal with it. If you see mods posting something you don't like then file a support ticket.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21942209 - 07/14/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I don't expect everyone to be serious about racism all the time, but it definitely bothers me when people want to play devil's advocate there nonstop like that is actually important. Racism was always spread using this deceptive propaganda, and racism is just a crock of shit. No way around that. I don't care if you find it funny or can't help but be racist sometimes, I can forgive that, but if you're invested in defending racism as part of your "heritage" I can't help but resent you.
I know this is the internet, but there is still room for some level of reality. If I am misunderstanding what people are saying I wish people would just tell me in plain language. Just say, "Hey I understand the concept of human equality with respect to racist ideologies" rather than call me a liberal and try to make me into an asshole. I'm not denying that I'm an asshole, I'm taking issue with the twisted rhetoric being put forth as an argument. It seems to come out of the idea that there is some significance to skin color or other physical attributes when it comes to the potential and character of a human, which is horseshit and not really that funny in essence.
I am all for jokes and irony and being able to say dumb things without thinking them through, but I'm not going to allow denying racism or twisting facts to become normal in a serious conversation. If I really cared about the cause I would fight harder I guess, but I don't come here to fight.
"I'm not going to allow denying racism or twisting facts to become normal in a serious conversation"
So you're now the self-designated racism police? Good policing starts in ones own neighborhood.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden] 1
#21942666 - 07/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not going to make an issue of it beyond this. I am very fond of this site and the people here. The cheap doublethink propaganda that is passing as conservative rhetoric is totally worthless in my opinion, and I don't think it should be allowed when it comes to defending racist statements. I won't be offended if nothing comes of this, but before I dropped the issue out of frustration I wanted to make sure I expressed this.
If you look at what these arguments start over, there is racism, and rather than just acknowledge that and move on people feel compelled to make it into a divisive issue and lay the blame everywhere but themselves. I don't think it has to be this way. If you disagree with the tactics or aim of the civil rights movement I don't think anyone could complain, but to disagree with the notion that racism exists and has done harm to people because so many were unwilling to see the truth is just plain evil and antisocial.
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