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moonrockmushy
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21876842 - 06/30/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mine is founded in reality. People are trying to turn my argument that the racial categories commonly used to associate certain behaviors with skin color are not only unproductive but harmful into "if races don't exist how can racism?". Of course people have some idea of what a race is, and how people perceive races. The notion that this is something I don't understand has been repeated over and over when I have tried to take the time to lay out my argument in a sensible way several times.
I think the types of conversations people have around here regarding race miss the point entirely and you especially would rather use it as a divisive issue so that you can antagonize "liberals". I presumed that the "liberal" idea that racism does exist and it should be acknowledged on some level was part of the spirit behind the anti-racism stance of the pub. I know this is being nit-picky and at this point I have stopped caring, but I don't think anyone who would argue the basic fact that discrimination based on skin color does happen and perpetuating these stereotypes is what allows it to happen can really understand why racism is wrong.
I think it is normal that it would come up now and then. That you seem to enjoy antagonizing people who take a strong stance on human rights is not normal. These arguments that pointing out racism is itself racist are pointless and I refuse to take part any longer. I'm sure you'll all get by without me but I wanted to say this because I feel it is important. I'm definitely not interested in arguing with you anymore, but I wish you the best and I hope you're just being a troll and you don't genuinely think these arguments are productive.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21881081 - 07/01/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're a good dude, moonrockmushy, and you aren't crazier than any other leftie out there.
I could rip you with my opinions on the matter but this isn't the place, and I feel partly responsible for ruining your experience on this site. For that I apologize.
We're not going to agree on a lot of things, but I do hope you come back and participate in the Pub after your head is clear enough.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy] 4
#21881295 - 07/01/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Mine is founded in reality.
no, bigotry is bigotry and that's all there is to that
now here's some reality. people bitch that the pub has been sucking, that there's too much of the very same shit that you're complaining about, racism, trolling, etc... I made a proposal, want to get rid of the racism, then fucking get rid of it, lock all the threads that are started as racial bullshit, the ones that devolve into racial horse shit and those that have the random racial slur thrown in
now for some crazy reason and you're just as guilty as everyone else, they refuse to see terms such as redneck or hillbilly as a racial slur, it's also fine to poke at the first nations (indians), people would say things such as "redneck isnt a race" well, since when was moon cricket or nigger a race, beaner, gook and slope were never races either but they're certainly all racial slurs just like redneck even when you refuse to acknowledge it
now the real problem comes with the 1 man show, if I'm the only one locking these threads it gets to be pretty tedious, not just the ones that contain a few racial slurs but also the ones that were veiled racism, the ones that were discussions on race/race relations, the statistics of race related crimes and all that other crap. it seems like the only ones that were getting locked by other mods were the ones that were directed against blacks, and even that lasted less than a month
some say political discussion doesnt belong in the pub, personally I think some is important there, many pubbers do vote and some can be swayed to vote, it's good to have some discussion on issues and candidates especially around election time but if you look at the religious threads, they really belong in another forum because let's face it, people dont want to convert based on what they read on the shroomery and the threads whether it's the atheist or the christian religious beliefs, it always breaks down into more bullshit
now, when we start looking at the bigger picture, you are just as much of the problem as the next guy, you claim yourself to be an anti-racist, that makes you a racist and a bigot, you refuse to see all the racism such as the term redneck as an epithet against whites which is in it's self racism, hence the reason I say that we're all racists, you also proudly proclaim your bigotry against certain groups such as those 'rednecks' and you arent alone, you're joined by the entire forum, some mods and admins included (some dont post in the pub). the really crazy part is so many like to marginalize the victims of this racism and to kind of steal a phrase from the feminists/SJWs, it creates a "race culture" where we are victim blaming, where we down play the damage is really does where people are saying "but they call themselves that", dont rape victims often believe it was their fault that they were raped? just like the term 'nigga', call it what ever you want but it's not a term of endearment, you are not endeared to a man you're shooting at, robbing, ripping off, insulting or beating. no, this word is the same as the others. it's more of the 'race culture' and doesnt it create an atmosphere where it self perpetuates until it breaks down to what we keep seeing, the same thing you say is ruining your experience, the same thing you are a part of
if you want to stop being a part of the problem, stop being an 'anti racist' who looks for racism where there is none, stop perpetuating racism by trivializing actual racism with phrases such as 'every month is white history month' or 'yeah, because 400 years of oppression means whites are discriminated against'. these are in fact the same sort of racist statement you're looking for but you're unwilling to acknowledge them because you arent offended based on your own personal views even though your views dont reflect on the experiences of others. stop marginalizing those people that have suffered from acts of discrimination based on race regardless of their color, simply accept that it does happen to all races, your reality isnt the only reality
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21881918 - 07/01/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I'm seriously done here you can have the pub. You're a disgusting human being if you think that is acceptable. You equate understanding the racist viewpoint with tolerance and equality. This is not a liberal issue, this is a human decency issue.
They can have this website for all the good it'll do them. I'm out of hereeeee!
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21881929 - 07/01/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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moonrockmushy said: Mine is founded in reality.
no, bigotry is bigotry and that's all there is to that
now here's some reality. people bitch that the pub has been sucking, that there's too much of the very same shit that you're complaining about, racism, trolling, etc... I made a proposal, want to get rid of the racism, then fucking get rid of it, lock all the threads that are started as racial bullshit, the ones that devolve into racial horse shit and those that have the random racial slur thrown in
now for some crazy reason and you're just as guilty as everyone else, they refuse to see terms such as redneck or hillbilly as a racial slur, it's also fine to poke at the first nations (indians), people would say things such as "redneck isnt a race" well, since when was moon cricket or nigger a race, beaner, gook and slope were never races either but they're certainly all racial slurs just like redneck even when you refuse to acknowledge it
now the real problem comes with the 1 man show, if I'm the only one locking these threads it gets to be pretty tedious, not just the ones that contain a few racial slurs but also the ones that were veiled racism, the ones that were discussions on race/race relations, the statistics of race related crimes and all that other crap. it seems like the only ones that were getting locked by other mods were the ones that were directed against blacks, and even that lasted less than a month
some say political discussion doesnt belong in the pub, personally I think some is important there, many pubbers do vote and some can be swayed to vote, it's good to have some discussion on issues and candidates especially around election time but if you look at the religious threads, they really belong in another forum because let's face it, people dont want to convert based on what they read on the shroomery and the threads whether it's the atheist or the christian religious beliefs, it always breaks down into more bullshit
now, when we start looking at the bigger picture, you are just as much of the problem as the next guy, you claim yourself to be an anti-racist, that makes you a racist and a bigot, you refuse to see all the racism such as the term redneck as an epithet against whites which is in it's self racism, hence the reason I say that we're all racists, you also proudly proclaim your bigotry against certain groups such as those 'rednecks' and you arent alone, you're joined by the entire forum, some mods and admins included (some dont post in the pub). the really crazy part is so many like to marginalize the victims of this racism and to kind of steal a phrase from the feminists/SJWs, it creates a "race culture" where we are victim blaming, where we down play the damage is really does where people are saying "but they call themselves that", dont rape victims often believe it was their fault that they were raped? just like the term 'nigga', call it what ever you want but it's not a term of endearment, you are not endeared to a man you're shooting at, robbing, ripping off, insulting or beating. no, this word is the same as the others. it's more of the 'race culture' and doesnt it create an atmosphere where it self perpetuates until it breaks down to what we keep seeing, the same thing you say is ruining your experience, the same thing you are a part of
if you want to stop being a part of the problem, stop being an 'anti racist' who looks for racism where there is none, stop perpetuating racism by trivializing actual racism with phrases such as 'every month is white history month' or 'yeah, because 400 years of oppression means whites are discriminated against'. these are in fact the same sort of racist statement you're looking for but you're unwilling to acknowledge them because you arent offended based on your own personal views even though your views dont reflect on the experiences of others. stop marginalizing those people that have suffered from acts of discrimination based on race regardless of their color, simply accept that it does happen to all races, your reality isnt the only reality
Nicely said but the bigots will not learn from it. Their bigotry is OK in their minds.
It's fucking pathetic.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21884185 - 07/01/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is bigotry accepted by the mainstream media so it is obviously OK. After all they know better than we do.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21884249 - 07/01/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm impressed with Pris. He locked a thread with white racism and didn't have to explain himself to Asante.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21889190 - 07/02/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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moonrockmushy said: people paint me as a crazy liberal who views everything through a racist lens
That how you come across.
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I'm seriously done here you can have the pub.
The air suddenly smells cleaner.
Agreed
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21892965 - 07/03/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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LoL @ thinking the pub was some bastion of goodness and intellectual stimuli.
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zZZz
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21893674 - 07/03/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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u had me at hello op
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sprinkles
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21903557 - 07/05/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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people who often accuse others of being racist often are racist themselves.
by the way, the differences in different groups of people are funny. Stop being such a fuck and pointing the finger accusing everyone of being a racist, ya racist. Get over it.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: sprinkles] 1
#21903566 - 07/06/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Confederate flag should never have been removed.
The people who hold hate for it are denying an integral part of American History. Will kids even learn about it anymore at some point?
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jahrastafareye
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21903654 - 07/06/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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But Sir, aren't we all the same color? On the inside?
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: jahrastafareye]
#21903689 - 07/06/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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people are stupid, end of story
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: jahrastafareye]
#21903702 - 07/06/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jahrastafareye said: But Sir, aren't we all the same color? On the inside?
We are but American History happened.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: Adden]
#21903825 - 07/06/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i. am. black. and everything and everyone says hurts my feelings.
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jahrastafareye
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: sprinkles]
#21904307 - 07/06/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: sprinkles]
#21904539 - 07/06/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: people who often accuse others of being racist often are racist themselves.
everyone is a racist, the so called anti racists are the worst of them
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: refried]
#21908279 - 07/07/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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refried said: LoL @ thinking the pub was some bastion of goodness and intellectual stimuli.
Best post of the thread.
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Re: Why are people including moderators allowed to troll the pub using racism? [Re: emf]
#21926692 - 07/10/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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as i understand it, the "no races" thing is scientifically accurate.
you can have racism without race the same way you can have religion with no god.
also every night when you fall asleep you die and someone else wakes up in your body thinking they're you.
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