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The perfect drug
#21863922 - 06/27/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Since I started my drug career some 10 years ago I have encountered and tried a lot of drugs, traditional and exotic, at varying dosages.
Reflecting back on all of this it seems to me that certain drugs fit certain situations a lot better than others (getting the tube in central london on 2 hits of good acid is quite the experience ).
It has kind of dawned on me that the best drug for me to go out and enjoy myself at a party or a rave isn't exactly one drug; it's a combination.
Tonight, I am preparing to go to a party and I will be operating on:
250mg mdma (spread out over 10 hours or so, for prolonged effect), 1 bottle of wine (pinot grigio is my poison of choice), 1-2g of ketamine (street stuff so actual content is a lot less than that and again this will be spread out over the entire course of the event),
and then if the situation dictates, or presents itself I'm thinking 1 hit of acid (typically ~80ug) or perhaps 15mg 4-aco-MET or 4-ho-MET.
This for me in a situation where I am free and have the proper supplies and provisions leads to an unforgettable night .
In a party situation, what would be your "perfect drug"?
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: niteman]
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Mxe or Lsd
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: SunnyD]
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus] 4
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2 grams, or even 1 gram of ketamine in a 10 hour period sounds awful. Like, nausea and double-vision galore.
A bottle of wine and 250mg of MDMA also sounds like dehydration purgatory. Not to mention how dehydrating ketamine is on top of it.
Basically altogether sounds like a potentially trash time.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle] 1
#21864233 - 06/27/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm I still like alcohol, maybe I'm alcoholic ?;-)

It's so easy, just repeat dose and you don't get paranoia even if you pee on a cop
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21864393 - 06/27/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The perfect drug is AL-LAD if you ask me
Either that or mushrooms
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
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party can mean so many different things, really depends on the context... but for the most part, anything 2c will do me just fine. also
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Detached]
#21864462 - 06/27/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A decent dose of 4-ho-met with a little 2c-e thrown in to give it some depth is one of my favorite combos/drug
al-lad is pretty amazing And of course mushrooms. I think they take the cake though the 4-ho-met/2c-e is more euphoric and recreational.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Zombi3] 1
#21864481 - 06/27/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: The perfect drug is AL-LAD if you ask me
Either that or mushrooms
I don't know how anyone can like AL-LAD more than LSD.
oh well, different strokes for different folks, ay?
IMO, there is no perfect drug.
If mushrooms didn't have such a harsh comeup that makes you so anxious and stressed + it lasted as long as LSD, then mushrooms would "the perfect drug"
If LSD was 100% natural and had more of an "alien/hyperspace" hallucinatory aspect to it, it would truly be perfect. Although its pretty damn close as we speak...
then we go to ol' DMT...oh man..where do i fucking start. Can you even start when discussing DMT? 
anyway...
DMT would be the perfect drug...if i actually considered it a drug. I don't men to sound like the cliché hippy or shroomery n00b when i say that, either. I don't say things like "oh weed aint no drug maaan" because it fucking is. plain and simple. Bur DMT is different...it just doesn't feel like a drug. It feels like some sort of "device" or some "mind-chemical enhancement organizer" like its organizing the chemicals in my head in order to see the world how it is..or just in another perspective. Whatever.
so anyway, ill bite. DMT being a drug..id say its way too short...its way too powerful and just whacky...its everything.
So yeah...DMT its just not a drug to me...its way too short...its way too powerful and just whacky...its TOO natural...its everything.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Zombi3]
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Heroin. 

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Re: The perfect drug [Re: TNK]
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Heroin is pretty fucking awesome. True.
Ketamine is close to perfect imo.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: TNK]
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TheNatureKid said: Heroin. 

Forever and always. 
Its the perfect high, but not a perfect drug.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21864596 - 06/27/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a LOT of drugs for one party. I don't see why MDMA by itself, or alcohol by itself wouldn't do. Even if you are going to combine, why such high doses?
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: nooneman] 1
#21864624 - 06/27/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's gonna be a long ride to Las Vegas, better pack the Wagon with drugs ;-)
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21864629 - 06/27/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The perfect drug for me is Mescaline to start out with and on the comedown Methoxetamine.
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Zombi3 said: The perfect drug is AL-LAD if you ask me
Either that or mushrooms
I don't know how anyone can like AL-LAD more than LSD.
oh well, different strokes for different folks, ay?
IMO, there is no perfect drug.
If mushrooms didn't have such a harsh comeup that makes you so anxious and stressed + it lasted as long as LSD, then mushrooms would "the perfect drug"
If LSD was 100% natural and had more of an "alien/hyperspace" hallucinatory aspect to it, it would truly be perfect. Although its pretty damn close as we speak...
then we go to ol' DMT...oh man..where do i fucking start. Can you even start when discussing DMT? 
anyway...
DMT would be the perfect drug...if i actually considered it a drug. I don't men to sound like the cliché hippy or shroomery n00b when i say that, either. I don't say things like "oh weed aint no drug maaan" because it fucking is. plain and simple. Bur DMT is different...it just doesn't feel like a drug. It feels like some sort of "device" or some "mind-chemical enhancement organizer" like its organizing the chemicals in my head in order to see the world how it is..or just in another perspective. Whatever.
so anyway, ill bite. DMT being a drug..id say its way too short...its way too powerful and just whacky...its everything.
So yeah...DMT its just not a drug to me...its way too short...its way too powerful and just whacky...its TOO natural...its everything.
Take more LSD if you haven't seen aliens/ufos yet ?
400ug+ (and real 400ug, often you can eat 8 hits and it's still only 300ug)
If you take enough LSD, anything can happen, anything you see in lucid dreams ufos,aliens,entities in mid air , out of body, hyperspace, teleport, linear combination,many places at once, being many people at once, living many lives at once
Hell you may even live a life as an alien simultaneously with this one if you take enough
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21864646 - 06/27/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSD DMT Mescaline
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Asante]
#21864656 - 06/27/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mescaline would the perfect drug but the nausea is extreme.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Shroomism]
#21864697 - 06/27/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The perfect drug for me is in my mind, lucid dreams (when in the OBE state floating around)
You can fly It feels 100% real, more real than "this reality" You get 100% awareness and clarity , you control your mind You can go anywhere You feel light You can do anything - jump off buildings, fly over green grassfields, fly to any city you like, teleport, fly through walls sometimes - jumping off buildings feels 100% real You cannot get hurt There is no downside You will remember it the rest of your life, even just 1 trip
It lasts maybe 3 hours but feels like eternity
It is the best feeling in the world, better than sex , feels much better
More rewarding than sex or any drug - the feeling you get after it
called "lucid dreaming" , it's free, it's in everyones minds, anyone can learn it www.ld4all.nl , www.dreamviews.com
next after lucid dreaming would be alcohol without nausea, hangover/headache, constipation, becoming fat and becoming dumb because it destroys the braincells
I mean it's great socially, but it makes you dumb and fat easily , it kills braincells
LSD doesn't kill braincells, but it has downtime. Lucid dream has no such downside normally - so is safer than LSD mentally it seems , there is no recovery period after a deep trip normally. Quickly forgotten.
So 1. OBE(lucid dreaming out of body/astral projection), 2. alcohol without side effects, 3. LSD because it has no bodyload and gets you as far as you would like - but it has months side effects when you go high dose
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dreams are not drugs.
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Bill_Oreilly said: dreams are not drugs.
It produces a drug effect in the brain, new alternate reality
Just like LSD, DMT, Salvia, Shrooms, and 1000 other drugs
New brainwaves, so I believe any trance state is equally interesting to experiment on, and those with fewest side effects are worth most
There is also shamanic journeying with drums, then you can time travel too/visit places in your mind, the mind is unlimited
Only imagination is the limit, so the mind is its own best drug
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Bill_Oreilly said: mescaline would the perfect drug but the nausea is extreme.
If you extract to down to mesc hcl or similar, the nausea is greatly reduced. But yeah its not exactly the full experience of the whole cacti with every single alkaloid.
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A good drug is one that brings you understanding
A bad drug is one that dumbs you down, and often leaves you dumbed down
good drugs: meditation lucid dreaming / out of body nature dreaming w. dream journal
bad drugs: pills weed to some extent - just like a regular "drug" alcohol , kills liver and braincells
so the perfect drug is a good drug, an imperfect drug is a bad drug
but then there is also the issue of weed being able to heal illnesses, thus making it not just a bad drug
but a useable drug
but I only believe it can heal if used very responsibly, else it also just dumbs you down again
thus there are very few good drugs...
- and last there are 'neutral drugs' , that may not dumb you down (LSD , shrooms etc.) - but which have months lasting effects on the mind that you need to heal afterwards, so they don't just give you good effects, but they can help
Most people's definition of "the perfect drug", is often a "bad drug" - because they are not aware of the negative consequences, they are happily fooled by their drug A perfect drug is a drug without side effects
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21864769 - 06/27/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sounds like a messy night but I've had worse. I don't typically associate large drug and booze combos with an awesome time, but it's always at the very least interesting.
Oxy is the perfect drug, it'd be even better if it was 1/10th the price and thrice the duration.
I'm going to a festival next weekend so this is relevant, my 3 day schedule will be something like: Day 1: Arrive early, oxy by day and booze by night Day 2: mellow out in the morning and then do 4FA in the late afternoon, throw oxy on top of it. Day 3: weed, and a light benzo to turn the slight oxy cravings away.
I might trip but if I do it'd only be like 2 grams of shrooms.
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ModestMouse said: That sounds like a messy night but I've had worse. I don't typically associate large drug and booze combos with an awesome time, but it's always at the very least interesting.
Oxy is the perfect drug, it'd be even better if it was 1/10th the price and thrice the duration.
I'm going to a festival next weekend so this is relevant, my 3 day schedule will be something like: Day 1: Arrive early, oxy by day and booze by night Day 2: mellow out in the morning and then do 4FA in the late afternoon, throw oxy on top of it. Day 3: weed, and a light benzo to turn the slight oxy cravings away.
I might trip but if I do it'd only be like 2 grams of shrooms.
haha what the fuck, ur gonna go to a fest to do oxies and fake speed?
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
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have you tried 4FA? It's a wonderful empathogen.
I don't always have oxy on hand but it's coming through town for the weekend so I'm going to use it. Take your judgement somewhere else sheek.
That schedule is one of the most sure fire ways to have at least a decent time IMO. No massive psychedelic doses to freak out on, dissolved inhibitions, enhanced social energy.
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ModestMouse said: have you tried 4FA? It's a wonderful empathogen.
I don't always have oxy on hand but it's coming through town for the weekend so I'm going to use it. Take your judgement somewhere else sheek
Many speak about 4FA, how is 4FA compared to MDMA - with regular dosages?
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what fest are u goin to?
i think the next one im hittin up isn't till the end of july
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It's like MDA but cloudier and about 1/2 as potent by weight.
@sheek - The Heron in NY. Very good mix of people young and old, awesome vibes, and great land. The music is not my forte but it's good enough to groove to.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
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ketamine is pretty much the perfect drug, if it didn't make you talk and act like a retard as it gets interesting.
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ketamine would be cool if it 1. wasn't terrible for ur bladder 2. didn't cause nausea and double-vision if i do it more than twice in a night and 3. wasn't expensive
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
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Yeah the nausea fucking kills me.
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@sheek - The Heron in NY. Very good mix of people young and old, awesome vibes, and great land. The music is not my forte but it's good enough to groove to.
word, i looked it up nd don't recognize any of the bands. one of them is playin some Dead stuff tho so that's kewl, have fun should ba gr8 time
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
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Mdma is my favorite, but who wants to do the same thing all the time? Its best to switch it up and use a variety of substances or they lose their magic. Op, combining all those drugs sounds like a bad idea to me. It doesn't seem like a safe or healthy way to enjoy yourself.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Shroomism]
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Bill_Oreilly said: mescaline would the perfect drug but the nausea is extreme.
If you extract to down to mesc hcl or similar, the nausea is greatly reduced. But yeah its not exactly the full experience of the whole cacti with every single alkaloid.
i have only taken mescaline HCL and the nausea is absolutely horrible. i need atleast 350mg to get high enough to where its worth it and the nausea is just so bad.
Whenever i take 600mg, i puke 45 minutes after i swallow the mescaline.
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Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said: Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
I have not. I think I will give it a try next time. I just hope it doesn't take away from the experience at all, mentally or physically
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For a shallow self absorbed party where no one gives a shit about anyone but themselves and there's a total lack of intellectualism, depth of mind, and anything healthy, just pure selfish pleasure seeking? In that case, cocaine, that is to say good cocaine, beats everything.
For a more mellow party where good people actually show up and not everyone is a self absorbed douche motherfucker? Bridgesii cacti, perhaps mescaline although I've not had pure mescaline.
And the nausea could probably be bypassed by injecting or plugging pure mescaline. I'm sure mescaline and intramuscular injection of mescaline would be safe, but I wouldn't try intravenous mescaline personally. But I see no reason why intramuscular mescaline would be dangerous, does anyone else?
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so are you trying to say there are no good drugs? because not 1 of the things you listed is a drug.
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lessismore said: good drugs: meditation lucid dreaming / out of body nature dreaming w. dream journal
so are you trying to say there are no good drugs? because not 1 of the things you listed is a drug.
I haven't seen a good drug yet, only neutral drugs at best
They all have side effects/shift your energy
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
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Sheekle said: 2 grams, or even 1 gram of ketamine in a 10 hour period sounds awful. Like, nausea and double-vision galore.
A bottle of wine and 250mg of MDMA also sounds like dehydration purgatory. Not to mention how dehydrating ketamine is on top of it.
Basically altogether sounds like a potentially trash time.
250mg over 10 hours of high purity (untounched, not too far down the chain from the chemist ~90% purity) is not much at all. At a guess I would say its a dab of ~40mg every 1:30hours or so. For me high dose mdma (>70mg) results in me wanting to lay around and feel good, it loses any empathic effects as I'm incapacitated.
I have been a ketamine addict for the last 3 years or so. During the peak of my addiction I was going through 5-7g a day. Easily done when drugs are available like water. With tolerance you can IM 300mg to little effect. Anyone who has been addicted to this kind of thing will tell you that tolerance doesn't really noticeably diminish over time.
I have to drink for ketamine to even have much of a pronounced effect at any reasonable dosage (~150mg intranasal). Drug elitism solves nothing. Knowing your body, your tolerance and how to minimize harm whilst expressing your own cognitive freedom does.
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
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Sheekle said: 2 grams, or even 1 gram of ketamine in a 10 hour period sounds awful. Like, nausea and double-vision galore.
A bottle of wine and 250mg of MDMA also sounds like dehydration purgatory. Not to mention how dehydrating ketamine is on top of it.
Basically altogether sounds like a potentially trash time.
250mg over 10 hours of high purity (untounched, not too far down the chain from the chemist ~90% purity) is not much at all. At a guess I would say its a dab of ~40mg every 1:30hours or so. For me high dose mdma (>70mg) results in me wanting to lay around and feel good, it loses any empathic effects as I'm incapacitated.
I have been a ketamine addict for the last 3 years or so. During the peak of my addiction I was going through 5-7g a day. Easily done when drugs are available like water. With tolerance you can IM 300mg to little effect. Anyone who has been addicted to this kind of thing will tell you that tolerance doesn't really noticeably diminish over time.
I have to drink for ketamine to even have much of a pronounced effect at any reasonable dosage (~150mg intranasal). Drug elitism solves nothing. Knowing your body, your tolerance and how to minimize harm whilst expressing your own cognitive freedom does.
polydruguse as well as high tolerance is a recipe for disaster. Even if one is an addict, one should try to stick to one chem
IMO/IME it can be hard to get into overdose territory when you know how your body reacts to a given dose of any given chem that you are experienced with. But then again, if you are tolerated and experienced with all the drugs you are abusing...then I guess you know what you are doing
Also; the perfect drug to me is most likely kratom, 4-aco-dmt/shrooms, or weed
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: topdog82]
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Luckily the physical toll with ketamine is not massive (other than on the renal system). It's on the WHO's core drug list for exactly this reason. Minimal respiratory depression and stress on the cardiovascular system even at high dosages.
There is a risk of respiratory depression with alcohol, and high dose mdma does stress my cardiovascular system. This is why drink water whilst I drink alcohol. I find it minimizes any chance of hangover and general decreases the associated negative side effects.
Your body is a massive chemical reaction. If you bare this in mind and keep the concentration of toxins in your blood stream relatively low (so hydration is absolutely key here) you can minimize the physical damage. This statement is speculative and based on my personal experience, but I did study a degree in chemical physics and have read fairly extensively around pharmacology.
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Opiates and MDMA were my drug of choice. Since you can't use either daily without severe consequences I wouldn't call either the perfect drug. There really is no perfect drug. Some are better than others though
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I have experimented with a lot of different combinations of drugs, I don't particularly enjoy single opiates/opioids on their own, for me Pod Tea or a blend of opiates provide a much more rounded high. Even then I still feel like it's missing a psychological aspect.
One of the most physically euphoric combinations I've done is Poppy Tea (around 3 large potent pods) mixed with ~8mg 5-Meo-MiPT.
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There is a risk of respiratory depression with alcohol, and high dose mdma does stress my cardiovascular system. This is why drink water whilst I drink alcohol. I find it minimizes any chance of hangover and general decreases the associated negative side effects.
Your body is a massive chemical reaction. If you bare this in mind and keep the concentration of toxins in your blood stream relatively low (so hydration is absolutely key here) you can minimize the physical damage. This statement is speculative and based on my personal experience, but I did study a degree in chemical physics and have read fairly extensively around pharmacology.
That last paragraph was very cohesively written. Its unfortunate that ppl go balls deep in heavy drugs without understanding that. Responsible use is key
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I would say that weed is far from perfect but it can be used almost daily with little consequence. Also kratom
psychedelics have little physical load but they are far from perfect due to the fact that they are overbearing and not purely euphoria
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: topdog82]
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Someone forgot to mention GHB! 
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
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0:00 5 drops of lemon essential oil in juice 0:20 about one foot of good cactus brewed into tea 1:00 3 hits of good LSD and a ganja edible Ganja as needed or desired throughout 5:00-6:00 30 mg 4 aco dmt and perhaps another edible.
But maybe not at a party
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nooneman said: Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
I have not. I think I will give it a try next time. I just hope it doesn't take away from the experience at all, mentally or physically
TMJ take 5 drops of lemon essential oil about 20 minutes before dosing mescaline or cactus.
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I wish lemon essential oil did anything whatsoever to alleviate mescaline nausea in my experience, but it does nothing to even reduce the nausea. I'd probably have to take pure mescaline
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There's 2 different kinds of nausea that cactus causes- there's the "holy shit there's something really nasty that I just drank" nausea, which really only your state of mind can control, and then there's the actual pharmacological nausea caused by mescaline, which lemon oil does control.
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I only sincerely genuinely wish that were the case for me personally, for me personally it's the exact opposite, the very smell and taste of lemon oil can partially negate the gag reflex because it's so awesome lol. But I feel that it doesn't alleviate any kind of actual physiological stomach based nausea in my experience, to any degree other than inhibiting the gag reflex and physiological nausea. Maybe if I took like 50 drops instead of 10, idk. but nothing other than not having any food or liquid in my stomach can reduce cacti nausea IME. pepto bismol, chocolate, honey, lemon oil etc do nothing other than placebo
Scratch that. Diphenhydramine also works. But at the cost of making the trip weird and non euphoric..
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MagicalOrangutan said: I only sincerely genuinely wish that were the case for me personally, for me personally it's the exact opposite, the very smell and taste of lemon oil can partially negate the gag reflex because it's so awesome lol. But I feel that it doesn't alleviate any kind of actual physiological stomach based nausea in my experience, to any degree other than inhibiting the gag reflex and physiological nausea. Maybe if I took like 50 drops instead of 10, idk. but nothing other than not having any food or liquid in my stomach can reduce cacti nausea IME. pepto bismol, chocolate, honey, lemon oil etc do nothing other than placebo
Scratch that. Diphenhydramine also works. But at the cost of making the trip weird and non euphoric..
Weird. I actually really don't like the taste of the lemon oil, but I find it very effective for controlling the nausea.
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nooneman said: Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
I have not. I think I will give it a try next time. I just hope it doesn't take away from the experience at all, mentally or physically
TMJ take 5 drops of lemon essential oil about 20 minutes before dosing mescaline or cactus.
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But maybe not at a party
Looks like quite the party lol
I have no expereicne with mescaline. is there any reason you did not extract the mescal?
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: topdog82]
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well for one thing because I'm lazy/busy and am not comfortable dealing with chemicals an stuff. Also because a full spectrum cactus brew has other goodies in it that add to the experience.
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true. I guess if I ever grow cacti as planned, I will consume the whole plant
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Re: The perfect drug [Re: topdog82]
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I don't know how people get such crazy tolerances to ketamine. When i had a good connect i did maybe like 200g in 6 months and didn't notice any sort of tolerance. I don't like to hole though, i feel like that probably plays an important role in tolerance.
I would only hole when i was already so high, I couldn't tell time, and I would, do a rail, 5 minutes would pass and I thought it was like an hour, then i'd do another rail because i still didn't feel high. Whoops. I did that on accident like several times a week.
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Ketamine isn't worth it really unless you actually hole .
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I dunno at higher dosages its just too like, psychedelic and chaotic for me. It loses any sort of meaning and I just get lost in cut up gibberish salad that's heavily egocentric/self referential. I like DXM much better for fully immersive experiences. I remember the last time I did to much, i was just seeing like, these stripes all over everything. The wild woobs i thought their name was. And like there was this whole stripe world and I could hear woob tree beings off in the distance or something, but I wasn't knocked out very much I was crawling around my house trying to get away from certain woobs. Oh yeah then i 100% realistically experienced a dark moment from my past from another person's point of view and started crying, i forgot about that. that was weird.
But yeah that story illustrates what I don't like about K at higher dosages. All that stuff has me in it. i'm like feeling feelings and relating to whats happening. High dose DXM I'm more or less not myself. There is no self, and the stuff I experience is too sci-fi to relate to my human self in any way. Don't feel nothing, don't think nothing, just fly around inside molecules or whatever effectively unconscious from an outside perspective.
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