|
Bill_Oreilly
ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT)


Registered: 11/12/11
Posts: 26,370
Loc: Boston
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Shroomism]
#21864941 - 06/27/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomism said:
Quote:
Bill_Oreilly said: mescaline would the perfect drug but the nausea is extreme.
If you extract to down to mesc hcl or similar, the nausea is greatly reduced. But yeah its not exactly the full experience of the whole cacti with every single alkaloid.
i have only taken mescaline HCL and the nausea is absolutely horrible. i need atleast 350mg to get high enough to where its worth it and the nausea is just so bad.
Whenever i take 600mg, i puke 45 minutes after i swallow the mescaline.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
|
nooneman


Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,561
Loc: Utah
|
|
Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
|
Salomon
ಠ︵ಠ balance ಠ_ಠ weaver ಠ‿ಠ

Registered: 01/17/09
Posts: 25,128
Loc: America, FUCK YEAH
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: nooneman] 1
#21866357 - 06/27/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
MXE
NMT
THC
LSD
-------------------- EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY BECOMES A DESERT
|
Bill_Oreilly
ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT)


Registered: 11/12/11
Posts: 26,370
Loc: Boston
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: nooneman]
#21866375 - 06/27/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nooneman said: Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
I have not. I think I will give it a try next time. I just hope it doesn't take away from the experience at all, mentally or physically
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
|
MagicalOrangutan
Curious Cat



Registered: 06/29/12
Posts: 3,538
|
|
For a shallow self absorbed party where no one gives a shit about anyone but themselves and there's a total lack of intellectualism, depth of mind, and anything healthy, just pure selfish pleasure seeking? In that case, cocaine, that is to say good cocaine, beats everything.
For a more mellow party where good people actually show up and not everyone is a self absorbed douche motherfucker? Bridgesii cacti, perhaps mescaline although I've not had pure mescaline.
And the nausea could probably be bypassed by injecting or plugging pure mescaline. I'm sure mescaline and intramuscular injection of mescaline would be safe, but I wouldn't try intravenous mescaline personally. But I see no reason why intramuscular mescaline would be dangerous, does anyone else?
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
|
Psychedelics yummy
Humanoid



Registered: 05/13/14
Posts: 1,819
Loc: 'Murica
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
|
Quote:
lessismore said: good drugs: meditation lucid dreaming / out of body nature dreaming w. dream journal
so are you trying to say there are no good drugs? because not 1 of the things you listed is a drug.
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
|
Quote:
Psychedelics yummy said:
Quote:
lessismore said: good drugs: meditation lucid dreaming / out of body nature dreaming w. dream journal
so are you trying to say there are no good drugs? because not 1 of the things you listed is a drug.
I haven't seen a good drug yet, only neutral drugs at best
They all have side effects/shift your energy
|
Cepheus
Balance




Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 8,266
Loc: the space between reality...
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
#21869198 - 06/28/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Sheekle said: 2 grams, or even 1 gram of ketamine in a 10 hour period sounds awful. Like, nausea and double-vision galore.
A bottle of wine and 250mg of MDMA also sounds like dehydration purgatory. Not to mention how dehydrating ketamine is on top of it.
Basically altogether sounds like a potentially trash time.
250mg over 10 hours of high purity (untounched, not too far down the chain from the chemist ~90% purity) is not much at all. At a guess I would say its a dab of ~40mg every 1:30hours or so. For me high dose mdma (>70mg) results in me wanting to lay around and feel good, it loses any empathic effects as I'm incapacitated.
I have been a ketamine addict for the last 3 years or so. During the peak of my addiction I was going through 5-7g a day. Easily done when drugs are available like water. With tolerance you can IM 300mg to little effect. Anyone who has been addicted to this kind of thing will tell you that tolerance doesn't really noticeably diminish over time.
I have to drink for ketamine to even have much of a pronounced effect at any reasonable dosage (~150mg intranasal). Drug elitism solves nothing. Knowing your body, your tolerance and how to minimize harm whilst expressing your own cognitive freedom does.
-------------------- "I only ever hope to reach equilibrium, in Nature's matrix, in line with the meridian" ~ Jehst
"...and I know that I have to keep breathing, as tomorrow the sun will rise, who knows what the tide will bring?" Free Spore Ring Europe Send any spare spore prints you might have and help the distribution
Open Source. Freedom. GNU/Linux Addicting is not a word.
|
topdog82
Death Spirit



Registered: 07/16/10
Posts: 7,992
Loc: California
Last seen: 5 months, 2 days
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21869450 - 06/28/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Cepheus said:
Quote:
Sheekle said: 2 grams, or even 1 gram of ketamine in a 10 hour period sounds awful. Like, nausea and double-vision galore.
A bottle of wine and 250mg of MDMA also sounds like dehydration purgatory. Not to mention how dehydrating ketamine is on top of it.
Basically altogether sounds like a potentially trash time.
250mg over 10 hours of high purity (untounched, not too far down the chain from the chemist ~90% purity) is not much at all. At a guess I would say its a dab of ~40mg every 1:30hours or so. For me high dose mdma (>70mg) results in me wanting to lay around and feel good, it loses any empathic effects as I'm incapacitated.
I have been a ketamine addict for the last 3 years or so. During the peak of my addiction I was going through 5-7g a day. Easily done when drugs are available like water. With tolerance you can IM 300mg to little effect. Anyone who has been addicted to this kind of thing will tell you that tolerance doesn't really noticeably diminish over time.
I have to drink for ketamine to even have much of a pronounced effect at any reasonable dosage (~150mg intranasal). Drug elitism solves nothing. Knowing your body, your tolerance and how to minimize harm whilst expressing your own cognitive freedom does.
polydruguse as well as high tolerance is a recipe for disaster. Even if one is an addict, one should try to stick to one chem
IMO/IME it can be hard to get into overdose territory when you know how your body reacts to a given dose of any given chem that you are experienced with. But then again, if you are tolerated and experienced with all the drugs you are abusing...then I guess you know what you are doing
Also; the perfect drug to me is most likely kratom, 4-aco-dmt/shrooms, or weed
|
Sheekle
FREE BURKE



Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 53,153
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21869469 - 06/28/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
LOL "drug elitism"
-------------------- "Ur cat died because he hated u" - Koods "I hope JSB kicks your ass one day." - Vandago "you are the biggest 'internet guy' I have ever come across"- Jokeshopbeard "The more I see you post the more I realize you're just this fuckin tie dye loser who trolls the Shroomery 24/7." - Herbologist "Sheekle you cannot vile the dice of bullshit you have posted on this forum over the years, I like databases" - thelastoneleft "or maybe i just come from a blood line of superior intelligence" - trees R.I.P Kelsy, ?/?/?? - 6/11/16
|
Cepheus
Balance




Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 8,266
Loc: the space between reality...
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: topdog82]
#21869561 - 06/28/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Luckily the physical toll with ketamine is not massive (other than on the renal system). It's on the WHO's core drug list for exactly this reason. Minimal respiratory depression and stress on the cardiovascular system even at high dosages.
There is a risk of respiratory depression with alcohol, and high dose mdma does stress my cardiovascular system. This is why drink water whilst I drink alcohol. I find it minimizes any chance of hangover and general decreases the associated negative side effects.
Your body is a massive chemical reaction. If you bare this in mind and keep the concentration of toxins in your blood stream relatively low (so hydration is absolutely key here) you can minimize the physical damage. This statement is speculative and based on my personal experience, but I did study a degree in chemical physics and have read fairly extensively around pharmacology.
-------------------- "I only ever hope to reach equilibrium, in Nature's matrix, in line with the meridian" ~ Jehst
"...and I know that I have to keep breathing, as tomorrow the sun will rise, who knows what the tide will bring?" Free Spore Ring Europe Send any spare spore prints you might have and help the distribution
Open Source. Freedom. GNU/Linux Addicting is not a word.
|
ModestMouse
IM WALKIN ON SUNSHINE


Registered: 05/06/13
Posts: 19,227
Loc: Upstate
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
#21869564 - 06/28/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
says the nigga who was criticizing my fest drug schedule
-------------------- Anyone got a lowpass filter in this biiiiash?
|
jordymartin
psicobelly



Registered: 04/09/15
Posts: 133
Last seen: 6 years, 1 month
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Sheekle]
#21869588 - 06/28/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
speed and whisky
|
Magicman69
All About the Benjamins



Registered: 05/29/13
Posts: 6,876
|
|
Opiates and MDMA were my drug of choice. Since you can't use either daily without severe consequences I wouldn't call either the perfect drug. There really is no perfect drug. Some are better than others though
|
Cepheus
Balance




Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 8,266
Loc: the space between reality...
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
|
I have experimented with a lot of different combinations of drugs, I don't particularly enjoy single opiates/opioids on their own, for me Pod Tea or a blend of opiates provide a much more rounded high. Even then I still feel like it's missing a psychological aspect.
One of the most physically euphoric combinations I've done is Poppy Tea (around 3 large potent pods) mixed with ~8mg 5-Meo-MiPT.
-------------------- "I only ever hope to reach equilibrium, in Nature's matrix, in line with the meridian" ~ Jehst
"...and I know that I have to keep breathing, as tomorrow the sun will rise, who knows what the tide will bring?" Free Spore Ring Europe Send any spare spore prints you might have and help the distribution
Open Source. Freedom. GNU/Linux Addicting is not a word.
|
topdog82
Death Spirit



Registered: 07/16/10
Posts: 7,992
Loc: California
Last seen: 5 months, 2 days
|
|
Quote:
Cepheus said: Luckily the physical toll with ketamine is not massive (other than on the renal system). It's on the WHO's core drug list for exactly this reason. Minimal respiratory depression and stress on the cardiovascular system even at high dosages.
There is a risk of respiratory depression with alcohol, and high dose mdma does stress my cardiovascular system. This is why drink water whilst I drink alcohol. I find it minimizes any chance of hangover and general decreases the associated negative side effects.
Your body is a massive chemical reaction. If you bare this in mind and keep the concentration of toxins in your blood stream relatively low (so hydration is absolutely key here) you can minimize the physical damage. This statement is speculative and based on my personal experience, but I did study a degree in chemical physics and have read fairly extensively around pharmacology.
That last paragraph was very cohesively written. Its unfortunate that ppl go balls deep in heavy drugs without understanding that. Responsible use is key
Quote:
Magicman69 said: Opiates and MDMA were my drug of choice. Since you can't use either daily without severe consequences I wouldn't call either the perfect drug. There really is no perfect drug. Some are better than others though 
I would say that weed is far from perfect but it can be used almost daily with little consequence. Also kratom
psychedelics have little physical load but they are far from perfect due to the fact that they are overbearing and not purely euphoria
|
topdog82
Death Spirit



Registered: 07/16/10
Posts: 7,992
Loc: California
Last seen: 5 months, 2 days
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: topdog82]
#21891782 - 07/03/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Someone forgot to mention GHB! 
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: The perfect drug [Re: Cepheus]
#21891813 - 07/03/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
0:00 5 drops of lemon essential oil in juice 0:20 about one foot of good cactus brewed into tea 1:00 3 hits of good LSD and a ganja edible Ganja as needed or desired throughout 5:00-6:00 30 mg 4 aco dmt and perhaps another edible.
But maybe not at a party
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
Edited by nicechrisman (07/03/15 09:06 AM)
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
|
Quote:
Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:
nooneman said: Tried any anti-nausea medication with it?
I have not. I think I will give it a try next time. I just hope it doesn't take away from the experience at all, mentally or physically
TMJ take 5 drops of lemon essential oil about 20 minutes before dosing mescaline or cactus.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
MagicalOrangutan
Curious Cat



Registered: 06/29/12
Posts: 3,538
|
|
I wish lemon essential oil did anything whatsoever to alleviate mescaline nausea in my experience, but it does nothing to even reduce the nausea. I'd probably have to take pure mescaline
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
|
|