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AuoraBorealis
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Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting)
#21861426 - 06/26/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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From what I can gather it seems to me,as long as you can maintain a sterile environment, the more fresh air flow the better. I am thinking that I will drill a hole through my wall into the closet and install a hepa filter. I will be casing all 18 pint jars that I have in separate tubs. I have way too much to use a single terrarium.
Question: Is there a best way to do this while maintaining the 95-100% humidity required with the maximum air flow possible without really worrying about contamination?
*The friend I have with the most experience has suggested rubbermaid tubs with drilled holes inside a larger tub with standing water and a fish tank heater and air pump spitting into multiple rubber maid tubs. Its definitely possible for me to do this but I want the closest possible to ideal conditions. (Z-Strain)-if that helps answering my question at all.
If I am going about this the completely wrong way feel free to point that out.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861448 - 06/26/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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AuoraBorealis said: From what I can gather it seems to me,as long as you can maintain a sterile environment some RH, the more fresh air flow the better.
fixed that for ya! 
there is no 95-100% humidity requirement. you wanna balance the rh/fae and have swings in rh to promote pinning.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: spacechildo]
#21861483 - 06/26/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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AuoraBorealis said: From what I can gather it seems to me,as long as you can maintain a sterile environment some RH, the more fresh air flow the better.
fixed that for ya! 
there is no 95-100% humidity requirement. you wanna balance the rh/fae and have swings in rh to promote pinning.
See, the problem I have with that is I have too many conflicting opinions regarding humidity, both on this site and elsewhere. The majority seem to believe that humidity is important. It says so specifically when researching the "shotgun" monotub. I just want the very closest to ideal conditions. I also have no idea what RH stands for but, in regards to FAE, that's why i was asking what is ideal...completely open air or lids with a ton of holes. I live in the desert so normal humidity is virtually nonexistent.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861503 - 06/26/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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open air fruiting in the desert seems like trouble or at least calls for a LOT of misting.
are you gonna do cakes or grains to bulk sub? either way fruiting isnt sterile or anything near that and the only humidity that really matters is the one on the sub surface.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: spacechildo]
#21861534 - 06/26/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: open air fruiting in the desert seems like trouble or at least calls for a LOT of misting.
are you gonna do cakes or grains to bulk sub? either way fruiting isnt sterile or anything near that and the only humidity that really matters is the one on the sub surface.
I am slicing each pint jar into thirds. I am then casing each 1/3 an inch apart with a casing mixture of peat moss,verm, Calcium Carbonate, and gypsum on top. The tek I was researching when I decided on this mix was insisting on a 95% humidity level with soaked perlite on the bottom of a shotgun monotub. Aside from the 18 jars, I have a 5 grain spawn bag that i had intended on breaking up with a casing layer on top. It was suggested I just let the spawn bag do its thing but I am trying to see what the biggest yield I can achieve is. Right now i am unsure whether or not to go with the perlite or with standing water/fish tank heater.
I ordered everything I have now, though in the future I plan on making my own substrate with grain and using a couple jars to continue colonizing more so I do not have to obtain new spores each time.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861546 - 06/26/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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standing water is a recipe for disaster. kinda sounds like the tek you're following is too.
I'm gonna go ahead and asume you mean brf cakes when you refer to them as pint jars.
why case tho? why not crumble to coir?
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: spacechildo]
#21861573 - 06/26/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: standing water is a recipe for disaster. kinda sounds like the tek you're following is too.
I'm gonna go ahead and asume you mean brf cakes when you refer to them as pint jars.
why case tho? why not crumble to coir?
Yes that's what I mean. Though i am ashamed to say I still do not know what that stands for and that's why I don't use it. I am hoping all it takes is my first run through in order to graduate out of my noob status. The standing water and water heater with an air pump is how I have colonized my jars and it worked very well. Right now I am using a non-ventilated closet in my apartment, fyi. If it isn't painfully obvious, I am doing my best to learn as I go. So far everything has gone perfectly. It is all almost fully colonized without contamination. I wish there was some Mycology god that could just tell me what was best because its very confusing with the amount of varying opinions I get about fruiting/casing. As far as why i'm not crumbling and casing.....I was just under the impression that it is easier to do that with grain substrate and I am trying to limit room for mistakes on my first attempt. using cakes is just how my friend did it for six years. I would be asking him for more help but he has a busy life and i'd rather not bother him further.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861611 - 06/26/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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fruit the pint cakes in a chamber full of holes with perlite.
for your grains prep coir+verm like this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1 and mix 1 part grains to 2 parts coir+verm in a monotub!
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: spacechildo]
#21861650 - 06/26/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: fruit the pint cakes in a chamber full of holes with perlite.
for your grains prep coir+verm like this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1 and mix 1 part grains to 2 parts coir+verm in a monotub!
"the best"
Thank you...and im assuming there is no need for a heater or humidity control because the perlite will do that all on its own?
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: spacechildo]
#21861661 - 06/26/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: fruit the pint cakes in a chamber full of holes with perlite.
for your grains prep coir+verm like this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1 and mix 1 part grains to 2 parts coir+verm in a monotub!
"the best"
wait...thats tek for colonizing grain. what do I do with my already colonize grain bag. I had planned on breaking it up.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861678 - 06/26/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Humidity is important. But it isn't what dictates it. What's more important in the wild is rain (Hydration/misting in our application) and Fae. Keep them glistening wet and the humidity doesn't really matter. Cracked caps are an indication of low humidity, you'd need it to be epicly dry for that to happen though. It's far better than what too much humidity does... contamination, no pinning, over saturation, bacteria, etc.
 Fruited outdoors with 1% rh and lots of wind. Watered twice a week.
Edited by Mad Season (06/26/15 09:17 PM)
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861781 - 06/26/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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AuoraBorealis said:
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spacechildo said: fruit the pint cakes in a chamber full of holes with perlite.
for your grains prep coir+verm like this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1 and mix 1 part grains to 2 parts coir+verm in a monotub!
"the best"
wait...thats tek for colonizing grain. what do I do with my already colonize grain bag. I had planned on breaking it up.
that tek is for colonized grains. still colonizing grains must be allowed to finish up before you use them.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: spacechildo]
#21861798 - 06/26/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you all for your help. I know how annoying it is answering the same questions for every new noob that pops up in the forums but if it wasn't for this site I would have not been near as successful as I have been so far.
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Re: Open Air vs. Closed Tubs with Air Pump (fruiting) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#21861826 - 06/26/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you want the best conditions don't make up shit as you go and follow some directions until you have experience. Sterility matters 0 when you're fruiting you might know that if you read the teks instead of glossing over. Or being intuitive since a sgfc has holes in it regards for being unnecessarily sanitary are not there
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Edited by Trusted cuItivator (06/26/15 10:01 PM)
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