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The last religion
#21859724 - 06/26/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soon religion will be history, this is obvious, but what particular hole of 'madness and faith' does the forum think religions final death throes will be emanating from?
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There will always be religion.
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Re: The last religion [Re: TopPmz]
#21859760 - 06/26/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The outlawing of religion by the government.
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Human irrationalism will persist, indefinitely. It may lose formal organization or become marginalized, but to pronounce that it is going to disappear completely is naive. Some (not all but some significant part of the population) people will always fall for some kind of mystical or pseudoscientific bullshit.
I don't think religion will ever die so long as people have the capacity for faith and a need for the sense of belonging that religion provides, two things that I suspect are ingrained by evolution as a mechanism of social cohesion. Sure, religion will dress itself in the garments of the times and churches will rise and fall as their particular dogmas gain and lose favor, but at its heart, the human need for religion is an unavoidable and necessary evil. The best we can do is keep it from negatively impacting our law and society by maintaining the separation of church and state.
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Thanks shroomerites, thanks TopPmz its sad that we seem to need this shit so badly is all I can think. Dilsnique, isn't government a kind of religion?. P.Zapp I hear you.
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fantasticfungus said: Dilsnique, isn't government a kind of religion?.
Hmmm.....not really grasping this concept. In a religion something is worshiped. If members of a governing body were to collectively be a religion, I guess that they would worship money, the gift of lying and themselves.
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Re: The last religion [Re: Dilsnique]
#21860030 - 06/26/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Members of governing body's always worship what suits their own interest's and money is 'THE' interest right now 'I think' (well maybe slightly less than fame) cuz moneys the religion now, but what comes after money's gone's what I'm wondering about? maybe money will actually be the "Last Religion" and then what?
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The Church of The Broke
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Re: The last religion [Re: Dilsnique]
#21860131 - 06/26/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Church of The Broke
Thank goodness for that Dilsique, sept that the 'Church of the dead' should also be added... cuz that's what we ultimately all are .
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The current religion of the masses is political correctness. Its just as loony as any other religion, it expects people to accept on faith things that are provably false and to worship certain groups.
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P.Zappatecorum said: Human irrationalism will persist, indefinitely.
Humans wont even persist indefinitely, so there is no way that human irrationalism will persist. All life evolves. The human experience is fleeting, newly arrived from the past proto-human experience and soon to give way to the post-human experience.
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fantasticfungus said: Soon religion will be history, this is obvious, but what particular hole of 'madness and faith' does the forum think religions final death throes will be emanating from?
Abrahamism (ie Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) is obviously going to be the death of religion if not mankind. Far-eastern and indigenous religions, though imperfect in their own ways, can generally be reconciled with modern methodologies. However, Abrahamism hinges on an unswerving denial of reality in its insistence on its own arbitrary supremacy, while always culminating in inflexible dogma and centralized religious authorities which exist to limit secular progress and maintain parochial differences between populations who practice what is at its core the same fucking religion.
If the rapture is something that's actually going to happen, peace on earth will come once the believers have vanished. Let them go where they need to go, I give not a fuck.
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I think you are making a false distinction. They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal
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Religion will always exist in some way, shape, or form. That will never change, and even if it would, humans will go extinct or destroy themselves long before that time comes. As zappa said, the stupidity is universal, and always will be.
"Soon religion will be history, that is obvious"...how is that obvious, the billions of christians, or the billions of muslims, with Islam being the fastest growing religion and still growing?
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zappaisgod said: I think you are making a false distinction. They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal
Granted, I don't have much exposure to Buddhism or Confucianism, and I have no doubt that they are equally stupid. But they are certainly very different from Abrahamic religion so I do think it is possible to make specific distinctions.
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I think it should be just One Creator that loves you and will guide you so people will Love you and Guide you I think that would be good.
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Re: The last religion [Re: Dilsnique]
#21860332 - 06/26/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dilsnique said: The outlawing of religion by the government.
will do absolutely nothing, sure it might make being an adherent to some faiths a bit more difficult, but ultimately will not shut any belief down for the long run.
there will always be religious zealots there to brainwash younger, more easily swayed minds, and everyone wants to belong some place where they feel accepted so the predator will always find the prey.
tl;dr version
religions are here to stay
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zappaisgod said: I think you are making a false distinction. They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal
Granted, I don't have much exposure to Buddhism or Confucianism, and I have no doubt that they are equally stupid. But they are certainly very different from Abrahamic religion so I do think it is possible to make specific distinctions.
Neither of those are religions; in the orthodox sense. They are philosophies on living and becoming aware of your self.
The religious aspect of Buddhism is really just the adaptation of local spiritual beliefs bleeding into the teachings of the sages within a given locality.
Religion will change just like everything else. The problem is not religion; but the humans who use it wrongfully.
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The worst religion is the one being pushed by the left wing media, namely political correctness. They banish words as though that does something good. The puritans did the same thing to no avail, have we learned nothing? The media stirred up this whole flag business and weak kneed companies and people caved in immediately. Its pathetic.
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Until we can definitively prove with 0 doubt that a God exists, there will be religion.
As I don't see that ever being a possibility no matter how advanced we get, we will always have religion.
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zappaisgod said: I think you are making a false distinction. They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal
Granted, I don't have much exposure to Buddhism or Confucianism, and I have no doubt that they are equally stupid. But they are certainly very different from Abrahamic religion so I do think it is possible to make specific distinctions.
Neither of those are religions; in the orthodox sense. They are philosophies on living and becoming aware of your self.
The religious aspect of Buddhism is really just the adaptation of local spiritual beliefs bleeding into the teachings of the sages within a given locality.
Religion will change just like everything else. The problem is not religion; but the humans who use it wrongfully.
Yeah... that's kinda what I mean, those eastern religions don't seem to have the same kind of dogmatic insistence on self-righteousness that you find in Abrahamic religions, and that's what makes them so dangerous and so incompatible with modernity. Philosophical religions don't insist so much on being right all the time or having all the answers.
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Your answers to my OP are intriguing; they’ve really got me thinking.
It's easy to imagine an evolved human from far away in the future still needing his precious crutch of faith, and to me this is a sad thing. But then the question 'do we really have a long term future'? Prospects for true AI. are growing and accelerating, will AI. need a god?
I agree that Abrahamic religions do seem to have an exceeding 'nastiness' inherent in them, while others like Buddhism seem less insidious, but as was said here, their all stupid and bad.
I find Freemasonry an interesting one, its only recently I learned of it, a religion where you can believe in anything you want, as long as it's some kind of 'higher power', you can be a druid ffs, and your IN, you can be a freemason, because you believe in something, it still smacks of Islam though, the bit where you have give total ‘submission’ to a deity, I mean.
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There will always be religion. Religion is necessary for faith and faith is what will keep humanity going. I believe that is a very positive characteristic but that is all defined by how humans interpret religion.
Faith is a trait only found in humans. Animals don't look to a higher power.
You strip faith away and what is left? A very bland and bleak world.
I don't believe in religion but I am very spiritual in my own way and try to do good wherever I go - starting here.
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BoomerMan420 said: I think it should be just One Creator that loves you and will guide you so people will Love you and Guide you I think that would be good.
I think I just pissed myself laughing. A Red rider 200 round carbine action BB gun with a compass in the stock and a thing that tells time would be a very good christmas present. Just don't shoot your eye out.
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I always wonder what if aliens came to the earth, and spoke of their religion. I mean, if we ran into another species that had obvious religious tendencies what would you guys think?
But personally I don't think religion is ever going to be made illegal. As that would take away the freedoms that we all should have.
Also, usually religion is pretty beneficial to a community. Most religious buildings I have been to help out other people in the church quite often. Also donating quite a it to charity, and even one church in my area gives away free food every few days to people who need it.
Just because some people use it badly, doesn't make religion bad. You're only gonna hear the bad stuff that is fueled by religion, and almost never the good it brings. It's because we have built our media system to look to the negatives. Saying religion should be illegal because a few people do stupid stuff is like saying all drugs should be illegal because some people have hurt themselves or someone else.
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Re: The last religion [Re: Achillita]
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Buddhism is not a religion per se and is not negative or controlling like most religions.
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Zappaism and you're damn right it's a religion.
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Religion is necessary for faith and faith is what will keep humanity going
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everyone is completely insane. alone with the fact we can believe the things we can and instantly forget things after they happen.
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Eh, they do serve a purpose. They give folks a bit of hope that maybe we're not so insignificant in this unimaginably vast universe and that maybe the whole comedy of errors that is both human life and civilization has a grand cosmic purpose.
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