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The last religion
    #21859724 - 06/26/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Soon religion will be history, this is obvious, but what particular hole of 'madness and faith' does the forum think religions final death throes will be emanating from?


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus] * 2
    #21859749 - 06/26/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There will always be religion.


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Re: The last religion [Re: TopPmz]
    #21859760 - 06/26/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The outlawing of religion by the government.


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus] * 1
    #21859765 - 06/26/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Human irrationalism will persist, indefinitely.  It may lose formal organization or become marginalized, but to pronounce that it is going to disappear completely is naive.  Some (not all but some significant part of the population) people will always fall for some kind of mystical or pseudoscientific bullshit. 

I don't think religion will ever die so long as people have the capacity for faith and a need for the sense of belonging that religion provides, two things that I suspect are ingrained by evolution as a mechanism of social cohesion.  Sure, religion will dress itself in the garments of the times and churches will rise and fall as their particular dogmas gain and lose favor, but at its heart, the human need for religion is an unavoidable and necessary evil.  The best we can do is keep it from negatively impacting our law and society by maintaining the separation of church and state.


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Re: The last religion [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21859852 - 06/26/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks shroomerites, thanks TopPmz its sad that we seem to need this shit so badly is all I can think.  Dilsnique, isn't government a kind of religion?.  P.Zapp I hear you.


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #21859899 - 06/26/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dilsnique, isn't government a kind of religion?. 




Hmmm.....not really grasping this concept.  In a religion something is worshiped.  If members of a governing body were to collectively be a religion, I guess that they would worship money, the gift of lying and themselves.


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Re: The last religion [Re: Dilsnique]
    #21860030 - 06/26/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Members of governing body's always worship what suits their own interest's and money is 'THE' interest right now 'I think' (well maybe slightly less than fame) cuz moneys the religion now, but what comes after money's gone's what I'm wondering about? maybe money will actually be the "Last Religion" and then what?


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #21860047 - 06/26/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The Church of The Broke



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Re: The last religion [Re: Dilsnique]
    #21860131 - 06/26/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dilsique said
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The Church of The Broke


Thank goodness for that Dilsique, sept that the 'Church of the dead' should also be added... cuz that's what we ultimately all are  :smile: .


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus] * 1
    #21860141 - 06/26/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The current religion of the masses is political correctness. Its just as loony as any other religion, it expects people to accept on faith things that are provably false and to worship certain groups.


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Re: The last religion [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21860172 - 06/26/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Human irrationalism will persist, indefinitely. 




Humans wont even persist indefinitely, so there is no way that human irrationalism will persist.  All life evolves.  The human experience is fleeting, newly arrived from the past proto-human experience and soon to give way to the post-human experience.


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #21860216 - 06/26/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Soon religion will be history, this is obvious, but what particular hole of 'madness and faith' does the forum think religions final death throes will be emanating from?




Abrahamism (ie Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) is obviously going to be the death of religion if not mankind. Far-eastern and indigenous religions, though imperfect in their own ways, can generally be reconciled with modern methodologies. However, Abrahamism hinges on an unswerving denial of reality in its insistence on its own arbitrary supremacy, while always culminating in inflexible dogma and centralized religious authorities which exist to limit secular progress and maintain parochial differences between populations who practice what is at its core the same fucking religion.

If the rapture is something that's actually going to happen, peace on earth will come once the believers have vanished. Let them go where they need to go, I give not a fuck.


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Re: The last religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21860229 - 06/26/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you are making  a false distinction.  They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal


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Re: The last religion [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21860249 - 06/26/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Religion will always exist in some way, shape, or form. That will never change, and even if it would, humans will go extinct or destroy themselves long before that time comes. As zappa said, the stupidity is universal, and always will be.

"Soon religion will be history, that is obvious"...how is that obvious, the billions of christians, or the billions of muslims, with Islam being the fastest growing religion and still growing?


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Re: The last religion [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21860256 - 06/26/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think you are making  a false distinction.  They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal




Granted, I don't have much exposure to Buddhism or Confucianism, and I have no doubt that they are equally stupid. But they are certainly very different from Abrahamic religion so I do think it is possible to make specific distinctions.


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Re: The last religion [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21860259 - 06/26/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it should be just One Creator that loves you and will guide you so people will Love you and Guide you I think that would be good.


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Re: The last religion [Re: Dilsnique]
    #21860332 - 06/26/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The outlawing of religion by the government.




will do absolutely nothing, sure it might make being an adherent to some faiths a bit more difficult, but ultimately will not shut any belief down for the long run.

there will always be religious zealots there to brainwash younger, more easily swayed minds, and everyone wants to belong some place where they feel accepted so the predator will always find the prey.

tl;dr version

religions are here to stay


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Re: The last religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21860448 - 06/26/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I think you are making  a false distinction.  They are all stupid, some are more stupid and oppressive than others but the stupidity is universal




Granted, I don't have much exposure to Buddhism or Confucianism, and I have no doubt that they are equally stupid. But they are certainly very different from Abrahamic religion so I do think it is possible to make specific distinctions.




Neither of those are religions; in the orthodox sense.
They are philosophies on living and becoming aware of your self.

The religious aspect of Buddhism is really just the adaptation of local spiritual beliefs bleeding into the teachings of the sages within a given locality.


Religion will change just like everything else.
The problem is not religion; but the humans who use it wrongfully.


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Re: The last religion [Re: Acaterpillar] * 1
    #21860481 - 06/26/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The worst religion is the one being pushed by the left wing media, namely political correctness. They banish words as though that does something good. The puritans did the same thing to no avail, have we learned nothing? The media stirred up this whole flag business and weak kneed companies and people caved in immediately. Its pathetic.


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Re: The last religion [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #21860493 - 06/26/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Until we can definitively prove with 0 doubt that a God exists, there will be religion.

As I don't see that ever being a possibility no matter how advanced we get, we will always have religion.


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