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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21863112 - 06/27/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i still stand by the text book definition of Feminism, and think everyone  should.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21863114 - 06/27/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever filled out a census form?  When they asked what race you were did you check a box?


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21863116 - 06/27/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i still stand by the text book definition of Feminism, and think everyone  should.



Which textbook?


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21863126 - 06/27/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Again, I decide what consensus on a word is by consulting the dictionary, I guess that makes me a radical.




Actually if you use the dictionary for your understanding of feminism that would put you quite firmly in the utterly ignorant category.  Them bitches fight each other over what it is like cats and...............well cats.  Nasty ass fights.  Bitches be cray cray.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21863133 - 06/27/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the dictionary. feminism is about equal rights for both men and women, and any man or women who doesn't understand that or take the word out of context is a moron.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21863141 - 06/27/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Have you ever filled out a census form?  When they asked what race you were did you check a box?




Do you have any idea why?  Presumably that is because these categories are a valid way at predicting behavior and point towards stunning statistical correlations? (sorry, I should just start calling them facts, that will make it easier for you to understand right?)

The reason government agencies collect data on race is to further the cause of civil rights, precisely because people have been oppressed based on skin color

Unless you're going to get into conspiracy theories where that alone is actually racist, or criticize the effectiveness of this strategy in furthering the human rights agenda, which is your right to do, this is just more of the incredible assumptions made by someone incapable of admitting to themselves that something they've been lead to believe their whole life is essentially a lie designed to hurt and oppress other human beings.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21863145 - 06/27/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
Again, I decide what consensus on a word is by consulting the dictionary, I guess that makes me a radical.




Actually if you use the dictionary for your understanding of feminism that would put you quite firmly in the utterly ignorant category.  Them bitches fight each other over what it is like cats and...............well cats.  Nasty ass fights.  Bitches be cray cray.


the dictionary isn't used to understanding. it's used for applying the definition of the word. sure you can stand by your own definition, but that doesn't mean you can just exclude the ACTUAL definition.
the word has purpose. even if it was made just sometime ago. otherwise, you're just "a nice guy"... meaning an asshole. see what i did there, i changed the fucking definition.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21863169 - 06/27/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't define feminism.  I try to avoid using the word entirely because I know that there is zero consensus on what it means.  I have actually read a lot of these broads talking and arguing and crying and screaming about what it is.  There is no better catfight.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21863201 - 06/27/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i would agree on that. but i say feminism mean equality across the board. i like seeing arguments to back up the instance that "women never had it so tuff as men harumph!"

fuck that shit. go fuck it up it's ass.

everything should be equal, in terms of TODAY'S culture. girl punches you, you should at least slap that bitch on the ass as a warning, then if things get difficult...  :frylock:

but yeah. feminism means nothing blah blah blah same old sentiment. yadayadayada


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21863229 - 06/27/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think ideologies are better defined by their practitioners than old books.  Definitions change.  Your dictionary definition is old, modern meanings are not that cut and dry.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: DieCommie]
    #21863238 - 06/27/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i think ideologies are better left to intelligent people than idolaters; so i don't count bitches who think everything man is evil or out to get them. i'll stand by my own definition, though, thank you...you know, the proper definition, and not what some dumb cunts in North America made it out to be. i even said... here let me quote so neanderthal's can grasp the concept.

and i'm paraphrasing here

Quote:

intrinsically within the "feminist" movement, i'd like for that "movement" to go towards what feminism should be about, and that is political science, and sure philosophy, but not about silly shit; you can make any thing a philosophical quandary, but the thing is, is it realistic or just hypothetical? these days, alot of the philosophy on feminism and woman's "rights" are grossly mismanaged and deformed and not realistic and especially so, even relevant. twisting of narrative to fit some deranged agenda.




if you can't understand my position on the subject without resorting ad nauseum rhetoric, than... just go jump off a brige and save the world from your inept bullshit.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21863246 - 06/27/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your posts wreaks of closed minded arrogance. 

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i'll stand by my own definition, though, thank you...you know, the proper definition




There is no such thing as a "proper" definition.  All definitions are made up.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: DieCommie]
    #21863254 - 06/27/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i'd agree with that standpoint that all definition's are made up. that's why i'll stand on my own...did you...did you miss that part?

and your post seems rather arrogant yourself...we're twins! go fuck off now.

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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21863266 - 06/27/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I don't define feminism.  I try to avoid using the word entirely because I know that there is zero consensus on what it means.  I have actually read a lot of these broads talking and arguing and crying and screaming about what it is.  There is no better catfight.




Sure, the struggle for human equality is a conspiracy to keep people like you down, and who could even understand such a complex idea.  Racism however is a proud and sensible part of our culture that needs to be preserved.  :rolleyes:

It's not a fucking joke or something I argue out of competitiveness, you're actually helping hatred in America continue to thrive, and you're either too stupid or too arrogant to ever move on. 

I take great consolation on knowing how out of touch you and your fellow supposed "non-racists who believe in race" are when it comes to the pathetic ramblings you claim to be the important issues facing America.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21863270 - 06/27/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

don't listen to any fartbag's, moonrock.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21863284 - 06/27/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They can't even agree amongst themselves.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21863295 - 06/27/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no shit, that's why i'm commenting, you fuck. i'm trying to understand this fucking bullshit, and your damn exoneration's don't help matters. i'm trying to understand the concept not pander to your fucking beliefs.

fuck zappa, you are a fucking obfuscating dickhole aren't you?

fuck most of the people here are dickholes, i gotta get outta here...i gotta get outta here...i gotta...i gotta get outta here!

+1 for the reference....


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21863310 - 06/27/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I hate to bring up the fact that I'm trans, since everybody else does it for me, but I do feel that my having had significant experience living on both sides of the gender binary gives me some insight into this conversation.

Honestly, I think that well-intentioned but self-conscious men are misinterpreting the complaints feminists make about male-dominated spaces and casual harassment. For example, a lot of guys seem to be unclear on the difference between "catcalling" and "street harassment". Now, IMO, catcalling is completely different from street harassment. Catcalling is not really a problem at all. I actually used to catcall women when I was hormonally male, and when I heard women complaining about "street harassment" I was intensely concerned that I had been engaging in practices that could be considered harassment.

Well let me tell you that catcalling is NOT street harassment. Street harassment is bullying, aggressive, and intrusive. For example, the other day I was at the gas station, and a pair of young men started yelling at me. They said "Hey bitch, put on a fucking bra!" and when I ignored them, repeated this several times. Then as I was getting back into my car they switched it up, calling me a "long-ass bird", laughing and jeering at me.

See, now that, was street harassment. I'd never really witnessed that type of behavior when I was living and presenting myself as male, because people who engage in this type of behavior are cowards. They know that what they are doing is wrong but don't care that it is wrong as long as they don't have reason to expect any tangible consequences, such as from the strength and aggression of another male. They pick almost exclusively on young women who are alone. For some of us, it is a daily occurrence. It makes us feel legitimately unsafe in public and it has a macroscopic chilling effect on women's public participation. Again, when I was living and presenting as male, I'd never experienced this type of treatment at all. It seems to be a phenomenon that uniquely targets women while sparing men of even having to see it or think about it.

When feminists complain of street harassment, this is what they are talking about, but since most men don't witness it very often if at all, they assume women are being oversensitive about more innocent overtures such as whistling or benign one-off comments from a distance. But "harassment" has a clear cut definition and it refers to intrusive, unwanted, and repeated behaviors that have the effect of intimidating their target. We need you, as men who don't cotton to this kind of shit, to understand that we are not talking about you. The fact that you so resent your perceived association with this type of behavior shows that you know how wrong it is.  We don't want you to feel bad about yourselves as guys, there's no doubt most guys are okay. We just want you to know that this stuff DOES HAPPEN and to pay close attention to your fellow males who might not be so scrupulous and to provide for consequences when they do or say fucked up shit.




while what you said does happen

this isn't the case with modern feminism which is mostly lesbians who have a deep seated hatred for men in every way imaginable and want them to be lower than monkeys

they will jump at the chance to embarrass or harass a male at any chance they get

you're the one confusing the two


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21863311 - 06/27/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
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zappaisgod said:
I don't define feminism.  I try to avoid using the word entirely because I know that there is zero consensus on what it means.  I have actually read a lot of these broads talking and arguing and crying and screaming about what it is.  There is no better catfight.




Sure, the struggle for human equality is a conspiracy to keep people like you down, and who could even understand such a complex idea.  Racism however is a proud and sensible part of our culture that needs to be preserved.  :rolleyes:

It's not a fucking joke or something I argue out of competitiveness, you're actually helping hatred in America continue to thrive, and you're either too stupid or too arrogant to ever move on. 

I take great consolation on knowing how out of touch you and your fellow supposed "non-racists who believe in race" are when it comes to the pathetic ramblings you claim to be the important issues facing America.




I ask again.  Did you fill out a census form and when they asked what race did you check a box?  What about Affirmative Action?  Since there are no races we can get rid of that right?  What about the Asians suing Harvard.  Harvard thinks there are races.  If there are no races there cannot be racism.  Is there racism?

There are races and they differ physically and pretty much everybody acknowledges this except for a few peckerheads.  Acknowledging that race exists in no way perpetuates hatred

There will never be human equality.  Some people are awesome and some people are retards.  The only equality that can is exist is under law.  I have no problem with that.  The law should be equally applied in a blind manner. I have a problem when the coercive force of the government is used to compel private citizens acting in their own private businesses and homes to accommodate other people that they think are freaks, or idiots or assholes.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21863320 - 06/27/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No I don't actually.  I don't provide racial data because I identify as post-racial, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that so I'll just leave it there.

also

Why does the Census Bureau collect information on race?  back to top
Information on race is required for many Federal programs and is critical in making policy decisions, particularly for civil rights. States use these data to meet legislative redistricting principles. Race data also are used to promote equal employment opportunities and to assess racial disparities in health and environmental risks.

https://www.census.gov/population/race/about/faq.html

What does the Census Bureau mean by race?  back to top
The Census Bureau collects race data in accordance with guidelines provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, and these data are based on self-identification. The racial categories included in the census questionnaire generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country, and not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically or genetically. People may choose to report more than one race to indicate their racial mixture, such as “American Indian” and “White.” People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race. In addition, it is recognized that the categories of the race item include both racial and national origin or socio-cultural groups. You may choose more than one race category.


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