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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21861286 - 06/26/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'll post a video featuring Karen Straughan in an interview (Young turk's so lol's may be had)
she touches on some good points, so far, and i'll continue watching this video now.
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Bill_Oreilly
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I don't mind feminism...I just wish it wasn't so radical. theres certainly a better way to handle it.
females certainly need more rights and should be treated with more dignity and respect.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Beanhead]
#21861312 - 06/26/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: nooneman] 1
#21861349 - 06/26/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nooneman said: This is the real problem right here. These are real viewpoints in third wave feminism. I know that many of you support women's rights and equality, but neither of those things mean that you're a feminist. Third wave feminism, and I'm not just saying this, this is their real position, is not about equality. Most of you who self identify as feminist would be second or first wave feminists, and you would be rejected and hated by third wave feminists (who have built much of their ideology on bashing second and first wave feminists).
I also have a huge problem with people who spend their lives preaching to people who are already on their side, and then do nothing to change the real world around them. This is a major problem in third wave feminism (and academia in general). They spend all their time going from conference to conference railing against injustice to people who already support everything they're saying, and then they put absolutely no effort into changing anything in real life or real society.
Finally, there is this crazy idea that third wave feminism doesn't need men (or anyone else) to succeed. There is this real idea that if they just all get together and yell at each other loud enough for long enough that somehow the world will change. This is why they have terms like "allies" because they feel that they don't actually need men or anyone else to succeed. You can't succeed at anything by pulling together a bunch of people who already support your beliefs and telling them your beliefs. That's just crazy.
This.
I would consider my beliefs to align with that of first and second wave feminism. After third wave... that shit started all going out the window. They stopped championing for equality and started pushing for inequality and insanity. Modern feminism took it 3 steps further.. the shit has just gotten completely out of control.
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akira_akuma said: i'll post a video featuring Karen Straughan in an interview (Young turk's so lol's may be had)
she touches on some good points, so far, and i'll continue watching this video now.

She always has good points. I really suggest checking out some of her own videos. Or if you have time... listen to some of the Honey Badger Radio podcasts. They are on fucking point.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21861382 - 06/26/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I don't mind feminism...I just wish it wasn't so radical. theres certainly a better way to handle it.
females certainly need more rights and should be treated with more dignity and respect.
So you prefer a feminist like this?
She seems pretty moderate and reasonable, but probably could be criticized in some cases, as we're all human. The point is reasonable feminism does exist, but people just don't pay any attention to that with the same intensity because it is less interesting to the base consumer. That doesn't mean it is unimportant or irrelevant.
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Bill_Oreilly said: I don't mind feminism...I just wish it wasn't so radical. theres certainly a better way to handle it.
females certainly need more rights and should be treated with more dignity and respect.
So you prefer a feminist like this?
She seems pretty moderate and reasonable, but probably could be criticized in some cases, as we're all human. The point is reasonable feminism does exist, but people just don't pay any attention to that with the same intensity because it is less interesting to the base consumer. That doesn't mean it is unimportant or irrelevant.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21861441 - 06/26/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i don't think being subject to the draft gives any predilection towards worthiness of anyone, however. she uses the argument that because there were women that didn't want to be subject to the draft and that they were exempting themselves from woman's suffrage because so, that they exempt themselves from really wanting equality. NO ONE, and we all know this by now, right? no one should be subject to indentured servitude, which is exactly what the draft exemplified.
so how is that a reasonable argument?
but i agreed on all her other points. especially in paying child support and in whom get's custody and guardianship of the children...not because of any of the "breadwinning/it's-the-way-it-is" rationale, but because it's solely for the fact of it being for gain and not for fairness, that these issue's arise.
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Whether you see male privilege or female privilege as preferable seems so dependent on your personal point of view and your own preferences.
And the bickering will go on... forever
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Beanhead]
#21861519 - 06/26/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is another one from the same lady I think is pretty good
It's only 4m long, and I think it at least proves that feminists do address most if not all of the issues shroomism claims are emblematic of "modern feminism".
I think it would be an insult to call this lady a relic. She seems to be making every effort to be timely as well as thoughtful and true to her feminist roots.
I also think it is important to make a distinction from feminists that are plain crazy and not actually feminists with artists, performers, and others who may express unpopular ideas under the umbrella of feminism. To me at least that is an important avenue for all modern people. That hideous yet enthralling spot where radical feminism meets punk rock.
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Bill_Oreilly said: females certainly need more rights and should be treated with more dignity and respect.
what do you mean more rights, more rights than whom?

just what we needed, a bunch of noisy cunt
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Bill_Oreilly said: females certainly need more rights and should be treated with more dignity and respect.
what do you mean more rights, more rights than whom?

just what we needed, a bunch of noisy cunt
Well maybe not more rights..but more faith in them. We need more woman cops. More woman politicians. A woman president maybe...things like that.
I cant think of any rights off the top of my head hut im sure theres some.
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Bill_Oreilly said: females certainly need more rights and should be treated with more dignity and respect.
what do you mean more rights, more rights than whom?

just what we needed, a bunch of noisy cunt
Well maybe not more rights..but more faith in them. We need more woman cops. More woman politicians. A woman president maybe...things like that.
I cant think of any rights off the top of my head hut im sure theres some.
we don't "need" any position to be filled based on gender....
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I think it's pretty clear what you mean. Everybody deserves more rights. There's really no point in arguing that with someone with no grasp of the concept of basic human equality. It's such a simple concept yet it is at the root of many of the struggles we still face as a people.
If you hate crazy feminists, then stick up for the ones that are genuine and intelligent.
It has not only an impact on women, but on the idea that everyone has a voice and that voice deserves to be heard, which is why it is particularly offensive to me to try and say feminism doesn't deserve to be heard.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Mescalean]
#21861703 - 06/26/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly.. We don't need ANY position filled based on gender.
Do what you are good at and get paid well for doing it.
Do a shitty job and get your ass fired or get unequal pay.
DO NOT apply for jobs if you lack the skills to handle and be your best.
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moonrockmushy said: I think it's pretty clear what you mean. Everybody deserves more rights. There's really no point in arguing that with someone with no grasp of the concept of basic human equality. It's such a simple concept yet it is at the root of many of the struggles we still face as a people.
If you hate crazy feminists, then stick up for the ones that are genuine and intelligent.
It has not only an impact on women, but on the idea that everyone has a voice and that voice deserves to be heard, which is why it is particularly offensive to me to try and say feminism doesn't deserve to be heard.

You know whats up.
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everyone know's that they are fighting for the view's of their particular coalition's for the advancement of their ideal's over other coalition's.
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